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Kumar · 2007-06-17T15:28:53+00:00

Hello, Simple question; Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin? If yes, how? Best wishes.

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Kumar
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17 June 2007, 15:28 UTC #1

Hello,
Simple question;
Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin? If yes, how?
Best wishes.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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17 June 2007, 17:11 UTC #2

convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Hello,
Simple question;
Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
No.
Quoted message said:
If yes, how?
Best wishes.
It is simply the overeating that leads to obesity.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

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Ignatz's Bricks
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17 June 2007, 19:51 UTC #3

Kumar wonders:
Quoted message said:

Simple question;
Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin? If yes, how?
In all probability, not.
However, the converse is true!
Insufficient sleep can lead to weight gain.
Methods:
1) By decreasing Testosterone production, which encourages weight gain,
especially in males.
2) One tends to eat more to provide sufficient energy to stay awake.
IB

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Kumar
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18 June 2007, 03:14 UTC #4

On Jun 17, 10:11 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Hello,
Quoted message said:
Simple question;
Quoted message said:
Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
No.

Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
lipids breakdown?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
If yes, how?
Quoted message said:
Best wishes.
It is simply the overeating that leads to obesity.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

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Kumar
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18 June 2007, 03:14 UTC #5

On Jun 18, 12:51 am, Ignatz's Bricks <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
Kumar wonders:
Quoted message said:
Simple question;
Quoted message said:
Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin? If yes, how?
In all probability, not.
However, the converse is true!
Insufficient sleep can lead to weight gain.
Methods:
1) By decreasing Testosterone production, which encourages weight gain,
especially in males.
2) One tends to eat more to provide sufficient energy to stay awake.
IB
Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
lipids breakdown?

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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18 June 2007, 07:11 UTC #6

convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Hello,
Quoted message said:
Simple question;
Quoted message said:
Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
No.
Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
lipids breakdown?
No.
Ketones occur from lipid breakdown while carb-deficient.
This is a suboptimal condition energetically from a biochemical
standpoint.
Moreover, hyperketonemia is potentially harmful because it stimulates
lipid peroxidation.
In the setting of hyperketonemia, the body is starving(dying) and
starts breaking down protein to make the carbs that it needs.
While dying, one becomes less hungry.
Indeed, the ketones are one reason for the decreased hunger.
For this reason, fasting to the point of hyperketonemia is bad.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

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Kumar
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18 June 2007, 08:06 UTC #7

On Jun 18, 12:11 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> Hello,
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> Simple question;
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
No.
Quoted message said:
Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
lipids breakdown?
No.
Ketones occur from lipid breakdown while carb-deficient.
This is a suboptimal condition energetically from a biochemical
standpoint.
Moreover, hyperketonemia is potentially harmful because it stimulates
lipid peroxidation.
In the setting of hyperketonemia, the body is starving(dying) and
starts breaking down protein to make the carbs that it needs.
While dying, one becomes less hungry.
Indeed, the ketones are one reason for the decreased hunger.
For this reason, fasting to the point of hyperketonemia is bad.

"
In recent years this viewpoint, both the body's preference for glucose
and the dangers associated with ketosis, has been challenged by some
doctors.[1][2][3]
Ketosis should not be confused with ketoacidosis (diabetic
ketoacidosis or the less common alcoholic ketoacidosis), which is
severe ketosis causing the pH of the blood to drop below 7.2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis "
Prolonged avoiding food due to prolonged sleep may encourge sub-
keoacidosis level fats breakdown. On normal people, this can be
regular/daily mechanism.
Quoted message said:
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

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18 June 2007, 09:41 UTC #8

convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quoted message said:
> > Hello,
Quoted message said:
> > Simple question;
Quoted message said:
> > Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
Quoted message said:
> No.
Quoted message said:
Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
lipids breakdown?
No.
Ketones occur from lipid breakdown while carb-deficient.
This is a suboptimal condition energetically from a biochemical
standpoint.
Moreover, hyperketonemia is potentially harmful because it stimulates
lipid peroxidation.
In the setting of hyperketonemia, the body is starving(dying) and
starts breaking down protein to make the carbs that it needs.
While dying, one becomes less hungry.
Indeed, the ketones are one reason for the decreased hunger.
For this reason, fasting to the point of hyperketonemia is bad.

"
In recent years this viewpoint, both the body's preference for glucose
and the dangers associated with ketosis, has been challenged by some
doctors.[1][2][3]
Ketosis should not be confused with ketoacidosis (diabetic
ketoacidosis or the less common alcoholic ketoacidosis), which is
severe ketosis causing the pH of the blood to drop below 7.2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis "
Prolonged avoiding food due to prolonged sleep may encourge sub-
keoacidosis level fats breakdown.
Actually, fasting results in the breakdown of SAT and muscle before
VAT.
Quoted message said:
On normal people, this can be regular/daily mechanism.
Fasting is not sustainable.
Death will ensue.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

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Kumar
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18 June 2007, 18:34 UTC #9

On Jun 18, 2:41 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > Hello,
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > Simple question;
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > No.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
> sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
> lipids breakdown?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
No.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Ketones occur from lipid breakdown while carb-deficient.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
This is a suboptimal condition energetically from a biochemical
standpoint.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Moreover, hyperketonemia is potentially harmful because it stimulates
lipid peroxidation.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
In the setting of hyperketonemia, the body is starving(dying) and
starts breaking down protein to make the carbs that it needs.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
While dying, one becomes less hungry.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Indeed, the ketones are one reason for the decreased hunger.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
For this reason, fasting to the point of hyperketonemia is bad.

"
In recent years this viewpoint, both the body's preference for glucose
and the dangers associated with ketosis, has been challenged by some
doctors.[1][2][3]
Ketosis should not be confused with ketoacidosis (diabetic
ketoacidosis or the less common alcoholic ketoacidosis), which is
severe ketosis causing the pH of the blood to drop below 7.2
en.wikipedia.orgKetosis"
Quoted message said:
Prolonged avoiding food due to prolonged sleep may encourge sub-
keoacidosis level fats breakdown.
Actually, fasting results in the breakdown of SAT and muscle before
VAT.

Still it will reduce obesity?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
On normal people, this can be regular/daily mechanism.
Fasting is not sustainable.

It it temporary fasting.
" Pathology
Ketone bodies are created at moderate levels in everyone's bodies,
such as during sleep and other times when no carbohydrates are
available. However, when ketogenesis is happening at higher than
normal levels, the body is said to be in a state of ketosis. It is
unknown whether ketosis has negative long-term effects or not.
Both acetoacetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate are acidic, and, if levels
of these ketone bodies are too high, the pH of the blood drops,
resulting in ketoacidosis. This is very rare, and, in general, happens
only in untreated Type I diabetes (see diabetic ketoacidosis) and in
alcoholics after binge drinking and subsequent starvation (see
alcoholic ketoacidosis).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenesis "
In morning more glucose may be needed due to release of cortisol and
stress hormones. How it will effect to those who are sleeping late and
waking up late? Probably, they may not be eating during late nights so
fasting can be prolonged.
Quoted message said:
Death will ensue.

Not just by fasting due to sleep.
Quoted message said:
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist- Hide quoted text -
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18 June 2007, 18:49 UTC #10

convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quoted message said:
> > > > Hello,
Quoted message said:
> > > > Simple question;
Quoted message said:
> > > > Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
Quoted message said:
> > > No.
Quoted message said:
> > Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
> > sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
> > lipids breakdown?
Quoted message said:
> No.
Quoted message said:
> Ketones occur from lipid breakdown while carb-deficient.
Quoted message said:
> This is a suboptimal condition energetically from a biochemical
> standpoint.
Quoted message said:
> Moreover, hyperketonemia is potentially harmful because it stimulates
> lipid peroxidation.
Quoted message said:
> In the setting of hyperketonemia, the body is starving(dying) and
> starts breaking down protein to make the carbs that it needs.
Quoted message said:
> While dying, one becomes less hungry.
Quoted message said:
> Indeed, the ketones are one reason for the decreased hunger.
Quoted message said:
> For this reason, fasting to the point of hyperketonemia is bad.
"
In recent years this viewpoint, both the body's preference for glucose
and the dangers associated with ketosis, has been challenged by some
doctors.[1][2][3]
Ketosis should not be confused with ketoacidosis (diabetic
ketoacidosis or the less common alcoholic ketoacidosis), which is
severe ketosis causing the pH of the blood to drop below 7.2
en.wikipedia.orgKetosis"
Quoted message said:
Prolonged avoiding food due to prolonged sleep may encourge sub-
keoacidosis level fats breakdown.
Actually, fasting results in the breakdown of SAT and muscle before
VAT.
Still it will reduce obesity?
Not in a sustained fashion.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
On normal people, this can be regular/daily mechanism.
Fasting is not sustainable.
It it temporary fasting.
For sustained weight loss, the method will logically have to be
sustainable.
Quoted message said:
" Pathology
Ketone bodies are created at moderate levels in everyone's bodies,
such as during sleep and other times when no carbohydrates are
available. However, when ketogenesis is happening at higher than
normal levels, the body is said to be in a state of ketosis. It is
unknown whether ketosis has negative long-term effects or not.
Both acetoacetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate are acidic, and, if levels
of these ketone bodies are too high, the pH of the blood drops,
resulting in ketoacidosis. This is very rare, and, in general, happens
only in untreated Type I diabetes (see diabetic ketoacidosis) and in
alcoholics after binge drinking and subsequent starvation (see
alcoholic ketoacidosis).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenesis "
In morning more glucose may be needed due to release of cortisol and
stress hormones. How it will effect to those who are sleeping late and
waking up late? Probably, they may not be eating during late nights so
fasting can be prolonged.
In a person eating a "healthy" balanced diet and an optimal amount,
there will be enough glycogen stores to keep ketogenesis from
happening overnight so that such a person will stay hungry through the
night and through the morning.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Death will ensue.
Not just by fasting due to sleep.
With sustained fasting for sustained weightloss, death will ensue.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

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19 June 2007, 02:38 UTC #11

"Kumar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Hello,
Simple question;
Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin? If yes, how?
Best wishes.

Hahahaha.... the Socratic school of scam.
John

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Kumar
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19 June 2007, 04:00 UTC #12

On Jun 18, 11:49 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > Hello,
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > Simple question;
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > No.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
> > > sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
> > > lipids breakdown?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > No.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > Ketones occur from lipid breakdown while carb-deficient.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > This is a suboptimal condition energetically from a biochemical
> > standpoint.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > Moreover, hyperketonemia is potentially harmful because it stimulates
> > lipid peroxidation.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > In the setting of hyperketonemia, the body is starving(dying) and
> > starts breaking down protein to make the carbs that it needs.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > While dying, one becomes less hungry.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > Indeed, the ketones are one reason for the decreased hunger.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > For this reason, fasting to the point of hyperketonemia is bad.
> "
> In recent years this viewpoint, both the body's preference for glucose
> and the dangers associated with ketosis, has been challenged by some
> doctors.[1][2][3]
> Ketosis should not be confused with ketoacidosis (diabetic
> ketoacidosis or the less common alcoholic ketoacidosis), which is
> severe ketosis causing the pH of the blood to drop below 7.2
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis"
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> Prolonged avoiding food due to prolonged sleep may encourge sub-
> keoacidosis level fats breakdown.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Actually, fasting results in the breakdown of SAT and muscle before
VAT.
Quoted message said:
Still it will reduce obesity?
Not in a sustained fashion.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> On normal people, this can be regular/daily mechanism.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Fasting is not sustainable.
Quoted message said:
It it temporary fasting.
For sustained weight loss, the method will logically have to be
sustainable.
Quoted message said:
" Pathology
Ketone bodies are created at moderate levels in everyone's bodies,
such as during sleep and other times when no carbohydrates are
available. However, when ketogenesis is happening at higher than
normal levels, the body is said to be in a state of ketosis. It is
unknown whether ketosis has negative long-term effects or not.
Quoted message said:
Both acetoacetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate are acidic, and, if levels
of these ketone bodies are too high, the pH of the blood drops,
resulting in ketoacidosis. This is very rare, and, in general, happens
only in untreated Type I diabetes (see diabetic ketoacidosis) and in
alcoholics after binge drinking and subsequent starvation (see
alcoholic ketoacidosis).
en.wikipedia.orgKetogenesis"
Quoted message said:
In morning more glucose may be needed due to release of cortisol and
stress hormones. How it will effect to those who are sleeping late and
waking up late? Probably, they may not be eating during late nights so
fasting can be prolonged.
In a person eating a "healthy" balanced diet and an optimal amount,
there will be enough glycogen stores to keep ketogenesis from
happening overnight so that such a person will stay hungry through the
night and through the morning.
Hom much time glycogen can compensate on fasting?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Death will ensue.
Quoted message said:
Not just by fasting due to sleep.
With sustained fasting for sustained weightloss, death will ensue.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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On Jun 19, 7:38 am, "johnniemccoy@" <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
"Kumar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...> Hello,
Quoted message said:
Simple question;
Quoted message said:
Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin? If yes, how?
Quoted message said:
Best wishes.
Hahahaha.... the Socratic school of scam.
John
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19 June 2007, 09:15 UTC #14

convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > Hello,
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > Simple question;
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
Quoted message said:
> > > > > No.
Quoted message said:
> > > > Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
> > > > sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
> > > > lipids breakdown?
Quoted message said:
> > > No.
Quoted message said:
> > > Ketones occur from lipid breakdown while carb-deficient.
Quoted message said:
> > > This is a suboptimal condition energetically from a biochemical
> > > standpoint.
Quoted message said:
> > > Moreover, hyperketonemia is potentially harmful because it stimulates
> > > lipid peroxidation.
Quoted message said:
> > > In the setting of hyperketonemia, the body is starving(dying) and
> > > starts breaking down protein to make the carbs that it needs.
Quoted message said:
> > > While dying, one becomes less hungry.
Quoted message said:
> > > Indeed, the ketones are one reason for the decreased hunger.
Quoted message said:
> > > For this reason, fasting to the point of hyperketonemia is bad.
> > "
> > In recent years this viewpoint, both the body's preference for glucose
> > and the dangers associated with ketosis, has been challenged by some
> > doctors.[1][2][3]
> > Ketosis should not be confused with ketoacidosis (diabetic
> > ketoacidosis or the less common alcoholic ketoacidosis), which is
> > severe ketosis causing the pH of the blood to drop below 7.2
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis"
Quoted message said:
> > Prolonged avoiding food due to prolonged sleep may encourge sub-
> > keoacidosis level fats breakdown.
Quoted message said:
> Actually, fasting results in the breakdown of SAT and muscle before
> VAT.
Quoted message said:
Still it will reduce obesity?
Not in a sustained fashion.
Quoted message said:
> > On normal people, this can be regular/daily mechanism.
Quoted message said:
> Fasting is not sustainable.
Quoted message said:
It it temporary fasting.
For sustained weight loss, the method will logically have to be
sustainable.
Quoted message said:
" Pathology
Ketone bodies are created at moderate levels in everyone's bodies,
such as during sleep and other times when no carbohydrates are
available. However, when ketogenesis is happening at higher than
normal levels, the body is said to be in a state of ketosis. It is
unknown whether ketosis has negative long-term effects or not.
Quoted message said:
Both acetoacetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate are acidic, and, if levels
of these ketone bodies are too high, the pH of the blood drops,
resulting in ketoacidosis. This is very rare, and, in general, happens
only in untreated Type I diabetes (see diabetic ketoacidosis) and in
alcoholics after binge drinking and subsequent starvation (see
alcoholic ketoacidosis).
en.wikipedia.orgKetogenesis"
Quoted message said:
In morning more glucose may be needed due to release of cortisol and
stress hormones. How it will effect to those who are sleeping late and
waking up late? Probably, they may not be eating during late nights so
fasting can be prolonged.
In a person eating a "healthy" balanced diet and an optimal amount,
there will be enough glycogen stores to keep ketogenesis from
happening overnight so that such a person will stay hungry through the
night and through the morning.
Hom much time glycogen can compensate on fasting?
Depends of the health of the individual.
The longest times will be for the healthiest folks.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

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Kumar
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20 June 2007, 03:30 UTC #15

On Jun 19, 2:15 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > Hello,
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > Simple question;
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > No.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
> > > > > sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
> > > > > lipids breakdown?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > No.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > Ketones occur from lipid breakdown while carb-deficient.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > This is a suboptimal condition energetically from a biochemical
> > > > standpoint.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > Moreover, hyperketonemia is potentially harmful because it stimulates
> > > > lipid peroxidation.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > In the setting of hyperketonemia, the body is starving(dying) and
> > > > starts breaking down protein to make the carbs that it needs.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > While dying, one becomes less hungry.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > Indeed, the ketones are one reason for the decreased hunger.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > For this reason, fasting to the point of hyperketonemia is bad.
> > > "
> > > In recent years this viewpoint, both the body's preference for glucose
> > > and the dangers associated with ketosis, has been challenged by some
> > > doctors.[1][2][3]
> > > Ketosis should not be confused with ketoacidosis (diabetic
> > > ketoacidosis or the less common alcoholic ketoacidosis), which is
> > > severe ketosis causing the pH of the blood to drop below 7.2
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis"
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > Prolonged avoiding food due to prolonged sleep may encourge sub-
> > > keoacidosis level fats breakdown.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > Actually, fasting results in the breakdown of SAT and muscle before
> > VAT.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> Still it will reduce obesity?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Not in a sustained fashion.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > On normal people, this can be regular/daily mechanism.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > Fasting is not sustainable.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> It it temporary fasting.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
For sustained weight loss, the method will logically have to be
sustainable.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> " Pathology
> Ketone bodies are created at moderate levels in everyone's bodies,
> such as during sleep and other times when no carbohydrates are
> available. However, when ketogenesis is happening at higher than
> normal levels, the body is said to be in a state of ketosis. It is
> unknown whether ketosis has negative long-term effects or not.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> Both acetoacetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate are acidic, and, if levels
> of these ketone bodies are too high, the pH of the blood drops,
> resulting in ketoacidosis. This is very rare, and, in general, happens
> only in untreated Type I diabetes (see diabetic ketoacidosis) and in
> alcoholics after binge drinking and subsequent starvation (see
> alcoholic ketoacidosis).
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenesis"
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> In morning more glucose may be needed due to release of cortisol and
> stress hormones. How it will effect to those who are sleeping late and
> waking up late? Probably, they may not be eating during late nights so
> fasting can be prolonged.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
In a person eating a "healthy" balanced diet and an optimal amount,
there will be enough glycogen stores to keep ketogenesis from
happening overnight so that such a person will stay hungry through the
night and through the morning.
Quoted message said:
Hom much time glycogen can compensate on fasting?
Depends of the health of the individual.
The longest times will be for the healthiest folks.

Don't ypu anticipate that fats breakdown and forming should remain in
process?
Quoted message said:
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convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > Hello,
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > Simple question;
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > No.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
> > > > > > sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
> > > > > > lipids breakdown?
Quoted message said:
> > > > > No.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > Ketones occur from lipid breakdown while carb-deficient.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > This is a suboptimal condition energetically from a biochemical
> > > > > standpoint.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > Moreover, hyperketonemia is potentially harmful because it stimulates
> > > > > lipid peroxidation.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > In the setting of hyperketonemia, the body is starving(dying) and
> > > > > starts breaking down protein to make the carbs that it needs.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > While dying, one becomes less hungry.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > Indeed, the ketones are one reason for the decreased hunger.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > For this reason, fasting to the point of hyperketonemia is bad.
> > > > "
> > > > In recent years this viewpoint, both the body's preference for glucose
> > > > and the dangers associated with ketosis, has been challenged by some
> > > > doctors.[1][2][3]
> > > > Ketosis should not be confused with ketoacidosis (diabetic
> > > > ketoacidosis or the less common alcoholic ketoacidosis), which is
> > > > severe ketosis causing the pH of the blood to drop below 7.2
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis"
Quoted message said:
> > > > Prolonged avoiding food due to prolonged sleep may encourge sub-
> > > > keoacidosis level fats breakdown.
Quoted message said:
> > > Actually, fasting results in the breakdown of SAT and muscle before
> > > VAT.
Quoted message said:
> > Still it will reduce obesity?
Quoted message said:
> Not in a sustained fashion.
Quoted message said:
> > > > On normal people, this can be regular/daily mechanism.
Quoted message said:
> > > Fasting is not sustainable.
Quoted message said:
> > It it temporary fasting.
Quoted message said:
> For sustained weight loss, the method will logically have to be
> sustainable.
Quoted message said:
> > " Pathology
> > Ketone bodies are created at moderate levels in everyone's bodies,
> > such as during sleep and other times when no carbohydrates are
> > available. However, when ketogenesis is happening at higher than
> > normal levels, the body is said to be in a state of ketosis. It is
> > unknown whether ketosis has negative long-term effects or not.
Quoted message said:
> > Both acetoacetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate are acidic, and, if levels
> > of these ketone bodies are too high, the pH of the blood drops,
> > resulting in ketoacidosis. This is very rare, and, in general, happens
> > only in untreated Type I diabetes (see diabetic ketoacidosis) and in
> > alcoholics after binge drinking and subsequent starvation (see
> > alcoholic ketoacidosis).
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenesis"
Quoted message said:
> > In morning more glucose may be needed due to release of cortisol and
> > stress hormones. How it will effect to those who are sleeping late and
> > waking up late? Probably, they may not be eating during late nights so
> > fasting can be prolonged.
Quoted message said:
> In a person eating a "healthy" balanced diet and an optimal amount,
> there will be enough glycogen stores to keep ketogenesis from
> happening overnight so that such a person will stay hungry through the
> night and through the morning.
Quoted message said:
Hom much time glycogen can compensate on fasting?
Depends on the health of the individual.
The longest times will be for the healthiest folks.
Don't ypu anticipate that fats breakdown and forming should remain in
process?
During fasting there would be only adipose tissue breakdown and not
formation.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
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On Jun 20, 10:34 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > > Hello,
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > > Simple question;
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > > Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > No.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
> > > > > > > sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
> > > > > > > lipids breakdown?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > No.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > Ketones occur from lipid breakdown while carb-deficient.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > This is a suboptimal condition energetically from a biochemical
> > > > > > standpoint.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > Moreover, hyperketonemia is potentially harmful because it stimulates
> > > > > > lipid peroxidation.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > In the setting of hyperketonemia, the body is starving(dying) and
> > > > > > starts breaking down protein to make the carbs that it needs.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > While dying, one becomes less hungry.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > Indeed, the ketones are one reason for the decreased hunger.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > For this reason, fasting to the point of hyperketonemia is bad.
> > > > > "
> > > > > In recent years this viewpoint, both the body's preference for glucose
> > > > > and the dangers associated with ketosis, has been challenged by some
> > > > > doctors.[1][2][3]
> > > > > Ketosis should not be confused with ketoacidosis (diabetic
> > > > > ketoacidosis or the less common alcoholic ketoacidosis), which is
> > > > > severe ketosis causing the pH of the blood to drop below 7.2
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis"
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > Prolonged avoiding food due to prolonged sleep may encourge sub-
> > > > > keoacidosis level fats breakdown.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > Actually, fasting results in the breakdown of SAT and muscle before
> > > > VAT.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > Still it will reduce obesity?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > Not in a sustained fashion.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > On normal people, this can be regular/daily mechanism.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > Fasting is not sustainable.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > It it temporary fasting.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > For sustained weight loss, the method will logically have to be
> > sustainable.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > " Pathology
> > > Ketone bodies are created at moderate levels in everyone's bodies,
> > > such as during sleep and other times when no carbohydrates are
> > > available. However, when ketogenesis is happening at higher than
> > > normal levels, the body is said to be in a state of ketosis. It is
> > > unknown whether ketosis has negative long-term effects or not.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > Both acetoacetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate are acidic, and, if levels
> > > of these ketone bodies are too high, the pH of the blood drops,
> > > resulting in ketoacidosis. This is very rare, and, in general, happens
> > > only in untreated Type I diabetes (see diabetic ketoacidosis) and in
> > > alcoholics after binge drinking and subsequent starvation (see
> > > alcoholic ketoacidosis).
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenesis"
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > In morning more glucose may be needed due to release of cortisol and
> > > stress hormones. How it will effect to those who are sleeping late and
> > > waking up late? Probably, they may not be eating during late nights so
> > > fasting can be prolonged.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > In a person eating a "healthy" balanced diet and an optimal amount,
> > there will be enough glycogen stores to keep ketogenesis from
> > happening overnight so that such a person will stay hungry through the
> > night and through the morning.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> Hom much time glycogen can compensate on fasting?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Depends on the health of the individual.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
The longest times will be for the healthiest folks.
Quoted message said:
Don't ypu anticipate that fats breakdown and forming should remain in
process?
During fasting there would be only adipose tissue breakdown and not
formation.

How much fasting normally needed for start of adipose tissue
breakdown?
Why late risers feel lazyness, smell in mouth and dislike for eating
on getting up?
Quoted message said:
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
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convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > > > Hello,
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > > > Simple question;
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > > > Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > > No.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
> > > > > > > > sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
> > > > > > > > lipids breakdown?
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > No.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > Ketones occur from lipid breakdown while carb-deficient.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > This is a suboptimal condition energetically from a biochemical
> > > > > > > standpoint.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > Moreover, hyperketonemia is potentially harmful because it stimulates
> > > > > > > lipid peroxidation.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > In the setting of hyperketonemia, the body is starving(dying) and
> > > > > > > starts breaking down protein to make the carbs that it needs.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > While dying, one becomes less hungry.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > Indeed, the ketones are one reason for the decreased hunger.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > For this reason, fasting to the point of hyperketonemia is bad.
> > > > > > "
> > > > > > In recent years this viewpoint, both the body's preference for glucose
> > > > > > and the dangers associated with ketosis, has been challenged by some
> > > > > > doctors.[1][2][3]
> > > > > > Ketosis should not be confused with ketoacidosis (diabetic
> > > > > > ketoacidosis or the less common alcoholic ketoacidosis), which is
> > > > > > severe ketosis causing the pH of the blood to drop below 7.2
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis"
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > Prolonged avoiding food due to prolonged sleep may encourge sub-
> > > > > > keoacidosis level fats breakdown.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > Actually, fasting results in the breakdown of SAT and muscle before
> > > > > VAT.
Quoted message said:
> > > > Still it will reduce obesity?
Quoted message said:
> > > Not in a sustained fashion.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > On normal people, this can be regular/daily mechanism.
Quoted message said:
> > > > > Fasting is not sustainable.
Quoted message said:
> > > > It it temporary fasting.
Quoted message said:
> > > For sustained weight loss, the method will logically have to be
> > > sustainable.
Quoted message said:
> > > > " Pathology
> > > > Ketone bodies are created at moderate levels in everyone's bodies,
> > > > such as during sleep and other times when no carbohydrates are
> > > > available. However, when ketogenesis is happening at higher than
> > > > normal levels, the body is said to be in a state of ketosis. It is
> > > > unknown whether ketosis has negative long-term effects or not.
Quoted message said:
> > > > Both acetoacetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate are acidic, and, if levels
> > > > of these ketone bodies are too high, the pH of the blood drops,
> > > > resulting in ketoacidosis. This is very rare, and, in general, happens
> > > > only in untreated Type I diabetes (see diabetic ketoacidosis) and in
> > > > alcoholics after binge drinking and subsequent starvation (see
> > > > alcoholic ketoacidosis).
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenesis"
Quoted message said:
> > > > In morning more glucose may be needed due to release of cortisol and
> > > > stress hormones. How it will effect to those who are sleeping late and
> > > > waking up late? Probably, they may not be eating during late nights so
> > > > fasting can be prolonged.
Quoted message said:
> > > In a person eating a "healthy" balanced diet and an optimal amount,
> > > there will be enough glycogen stores to keep ketogenesis from
> > > happening overnight so that such a person will stay hungry through the
> > > night and through the morning.
Quoted message said:
> > Hom much time glycogen can compensate on fasting?
Quoted message said:
> Depends on the health of the individual.
Quoted message said:
> The longest times will be for the healthiest folks.
Quoted message said:
Don't ypu anticipate that fats breakdown and forming should remain in
process?
During fasting there would be only adipose tissue breakdown and not
formation.
How much fasting normally needed for start of adipose tissue
breakdown?
No fasting is required.
Quoted message said:
Why late risers feel lazyness, smell in mouth and dislike for eating
on getting up?
Such late risers would likely be carb deficient.
Late risers that wake up hungry and energetic without a ripe smell in
their breath would indicate sufficient glycogen (carb) stores.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
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On Jun 20, 3:39 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello,
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > > > > Simple question;
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > > > > Can excessive sleeping make a person less obese or thin?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > > > No.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > > Ketones are elevated in blood after fasting including a night of
> > > > > > > > > sleep, As such, will such ketones in excessive sleeping not cause
> > > > > > > > > lipids breakdown?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > No.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > Ketones occur from lipid breakdown while carb-deficient.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > This is a suboptimal condition energetically from a biochemical
> > > > > > > > standpoint.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > Moreover, hyperketonemia is potentially harmful because it stimulates
> > > > > > > > lipid peroxidation.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > In the setting of hyperketonemia, the body is starving(dying) and
> > > > > > > > starts breaking down protein to make the carbs that it needs.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > While dying, one becomes less hungry.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > Indeed, the ketones are one reason for the decreased hunger.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > > For this reason, fasting to the point of hyperketonemia is bad.
> > > > > > > "
> > > > > > > In recent years this viewpoint, both the body's preference for glucose
> > > > > > > and the dangers associated with ketosis, has been challenged by some
> > > > > > > doctors.[1][2][3]
> > > > > > > Ketosis should not be confused with ketoacidosis (diabetic
> > > > > > > ketoacidosis or the less common alcoholic ketoacidosis), which is
> > > > > > > severe ketosis causing the pH of the blood to drop below 7.2
> > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis"
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > Prolonged avoiding food due to prolonged sleep may encourge sub-
> > > > > > > keoacidosis level fats breakdown.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > Actually, fasting results in the breakdown of SAT and muscle before
> > > > > > VAT.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > Still it will reduce obesity?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > Not in a sustained fashion.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > > On normal people, this can be regular/daily mechanism.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > > Fasting is not sustainable.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > It it temporary fasting.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > For sustained weight loss, the method will logically have to be
> > > > sustainable.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > " Pathology
> > > > > Ketone bodies are created at moderate levels in everyone's bodies,
> > > > > such as during sleep and other times when no carbohydrates are
> > > > > available. However, when ketogenesis is happening at higher than
> > > > > normal levels, the body is said to be in a state of ketosis. It is
> > > > > unknown whether ketosis has negative long-term effects or not.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > Both acetoacetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate are acidic, and, if levels
> > > > > of these ketone bodies are too high, the pH of the blood drops,
> > > > > resulting in ketoacidosis. This is very rare, and, in general, happens
> > > > > only in untreated Type I diabetes (see diabetic ketoacidosis) and in
> > > > > alcoholics after binge drinking and subsequent starvation (see
> > > > > alcoholic ketoacidosis).
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenesis"
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > > In morning more glucose may be needed due to release of cortisol and
> > > > > stress hormones. How it will effect to those who are sleeping late and
> > > > > waking up late? Probably, they may not be eating during late nights so
> > > > > fasting can be prolonged.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > > In a person eating a "healthy" balanced diet and an optimal amount,
> > > > there will be enough glycogen stores to keep ketogenesis from
> > > > happening overnight so that such a person will stay hungry through the
> > > > night and through the morning.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > > Hom much time glycogen can compensate on fasting?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > Depends on the health of the individual.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> > The longest times will be for the healthiest folks.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> Don't ypu anticipate that fats breakdown and forming should remain in
> process?
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
During fasting there would be only adipose tissue breakdown and not
formation.
Quoted message said:
How much fasting normally needed for start of adipose tissue
breakdown?
No fasting is required.
Quoted message said:
Why late risers feel lazyness, smell in mouth and dislike for eating
on getting up?
Such late risers would likely be carb deficient.
Late risers that wake up hungry and energetic without a ripe smell in
their breath would indicate sufficient glycogen (carb) stores.

Otherwise?
Quoted message said:
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than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
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convicted neighbor Kumar said:
Andrew said:
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Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
How much fasting normally needed for start of adipose tissue
breakdown?
No fasting is required.
Quoted message said:
Why late risers feel lazyness, smell in mouth and dislike for eating
on getting up?
Such late risers would likely be carb deficient.
Late risers that wake up hungry and energetic without a ripe smell in
their breath would indicate sufficient glycogen (carb) stores.
Otherwise?
Carbohydrate deficiency --> hyperketonemia --> lipid peroxidation -->
atherosclerosis
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
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