I wish I could make Boca Burgers

cybercat said:

"Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message

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I love those things.

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Have you looked at the ingredients and tried?

I imagine some textured vegetable protein, a few other vegetable
ingredients, something like xanthum gum for a binder and some
hydrolyzed vegtable protein for color, all put through a food
processor, would work.

But the Boca people are already set up to stamp out these hockey
pucks by the million so why bother? (You can often find them
cheap at Grocery Outlet, if you're near one of those.)

Steve

Steve wrote on Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:08:02 +0000 (UTC):

??>> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message

??>>> I love those things.

??>> Have you looked at the ingredients and tried?

SP> I imagine some textured vegetable protein, a few other
SP> vegetable ingredients, something like xanthum gum for a
SP> binder and some hydrolyzed vegetable protein for color, all
SP> put through a food processor, would work.

SP> But the Boca people are already set up to stamp out these
SP> hockey pucks by the million so why bother? (You can often
SP> find them cheap at Grocery Outlet, if you're near one of
SP> those.)

I am content to buy the commercial versions but Boca and other
veggie burgers are vastly improved by serving on a bun with hot
salsa and a thin slice of raw onion!

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not

cybercat said:

"Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
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I love those things.

Have you looked at the ingredients and tried?

Boca (and most of those vegetarian burgers) are highly processed
foods that would be nearly impossible to duplicate at home.

-sw

"Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
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I love those things.

Have you looked at the ingredients and tried?

James Silverton said...

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Steve wrote on Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:08:02 +0000 (UTC):

??>> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message

??>>> I love those things.

??>> Have you looked at the ingredients and tried?

SP> I imagine some textured vegetable protein, a few other
SP> vegetable ingredients, something like xanthum gum for a
SP> binder and some hydrolyzed vegetable protein for color, all
SP> put through a food processor, would work.

SP> But the Boca people are already set up to stamp out these
SP> hockey pucks by the million so why bother? (You can often
SP> find them cheap at Grocery Outlet, if you're near one of
SP> those.)

I am content to buy the commercial versions but Boca and other
veggie burgers are vastly improved by serving on a bun with hot
salsa and a thin slice of raw onion!

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

I found an old box of MorningStar Farms veggie "fajita" burgers in the
freezer and made one with lettuce and mayo on a bun. Very good, imho.
Discontinued.

Andy

Steve Wertz said:

cybercat said:

"Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I love those things.

Quoted message said:

Have you looked at the ingredients and tried?

Boca (and most of those vegetarian burgers) are highly processed
foods that would be nearly impossible to duplicate at home.

-sw

Cooks Illustrated #75, July/August 2005 p.21 "Veggie Burgers Worth
the Trouble"

This is the American Test Kitchen's effort to understand, test, and
perfect veggie burgers. I highly recommend tracking it down at your
library. It makes a TON and taste amazing. Veggies love having a home
made burger that doesn't taste like expensive grocery store cardboard.

Ingredient list:
lentils
salt
bulgur wheat
veg oil
onions
celery
leeks
garlic
cremini mushrooms (white will do)
cashews
mayo
panko (Japanese bread crumbs)

Mitch Mitch@... said:

I love those things.

Vegetarian headcheese, blech.

Sheldon

Mitch <Mitch@...> news:[email hidden]:

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I love those things.

Peeeuuuukkkeee. Tasted a bite of one. Nasty.

Michael

--
“The age of your children is a key factor in how quickly you are served in
a restaurant. We once had a waiter in Canada who said, "Could I get you
your check?" and we answered, "How about the menu first?"”
~Erma Bombeck

In article <[email hidden]>,

Michael \'Dog3\' Lonergan said:

Mitch <Mitch@...> news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I love those things.

Peeeuuuukkkeee. Tasted a bite of one. Nasty.

Michael

OK, I'm a hardcore carnivore and I consider vocal/evangelical
vegetarians to be some of the most boring, sententious [censored] on this
earth. Having said that, when I once tried a Boca burger, I found it
pretty tasty. It was similar to cheap commercial hamburger such as you
might find in a frozen White Castle Slider. If they were available at a
realistic price, I might even bag a box on occasion. What I don't
understand is why veg-heads eat all those meat substitutes made with
toe-foo and so on. If you give up meat- give it up! There are no
shortage of good meatless cuisines and recipes in this big world. Oh
well, de gustibus non est disputandum.

D.M.

Donald Martinich <[email hidden]> news:dutchm-
[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

OK, I'm a hardcore carnivore and I consider vocal/evangelical
vegetarians to be some of the most boring, sententious [censored] on this
earth.

LOL... that's the way I feel about _reformed_ smokers. I usually have no
problems with vegetarians and have yet to meet a vegetarian preaching about
it.

Quoted message said:

Having said that, when I once tried a Boca burger, I found it
pretty tasty. It was similar to cheap commercial hamburger such as you
might find in a frozen White Castle Slider. If they were available at a
realistic price, I might even bag a box on occasion. What I don't
understand is why veg-heads eat all those meat substitutes made with
toe-foo and so on. If you give up meat- give it up! There are no
shortage of good meatless cuisines and recipes in this big world. Oh
well, de gustibus non est disputandum.

I just did not care for the Boca Burger myself. OTOH I do like tofu in
some Asian dishes.

Michael <- carnivore till the end

--
“The age of your children is a key factor in how quickly you are served in
a restaurant. We once had a waiter in Canada who said, "Could I get you
your check?" and we answered, "How about the menu first?"”
~Erma Bombeck

Michael wrote on Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:11:29 GMT:

MDL> I just did not care for the Boca Burger myself. OTOH I do
MDL> like tofu in some Asian dishes.

MDL> Michael <- carnivore till the end

I've never understood other people's enthusiasm for tofu, but
it may be my own tasting ability. It does add protein to Chinese
dishes but, to me, it is absolutely tasteless and its texture
unpleasant. You can do things with it to add some taste like
marinading it and baking it or freeze-drying to give texture, as
I think I have mentioned before. I cannot reach the level of
enthusiasm in Shurtleff and Aoyagi's "The Book of Tofu, Protein
Source of the Future-Now!" It has lots of information and
recipes, practically none of which I have wanted to try twice.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:56:40 -0700, Donald Martinich <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

OK, I'm a hardcore carnivore and I consider vocal/evangelical
vegetarians to be some of the most boring, sententious [censored] on this
earth.

Oh Don, you poor dear, and you live in Davis, Land of the
Sanctimonious Vegetarian! How do you manage? ;-)

Quoted message said:

Having said that, when I once tried a Boca burger, I found it
pretty tasty. It was similar to cheap commercial hamburger such as you
might find in a frozen White Castle Slider. If they were available at a
realistic price, I might even bag a box on occasion.

While I too am unapologetically carnivorous, I really like Boca
burgers and keep a box of 'em in the freeze. I buy them at Costco for
something like $8 a box (of ... 14? I forget.).

Quoted message said:

What I don't
understand is why veg-heads eat all those meat substitutes made with
toe-foo and so on. If you give up meat- give it up! There are no
shortage of good meatless cuisines and recipes in this big world.

Well, they **all** don't do this of course! But many do. And so many
of those toe-foo meat/dairy subs are just plain NASTY. I used to work
at the Sac Natch Co-Op when they gave members a 15% discount for
working 6 hours a month. I tried some of those toe-foo substitutes.
Yick. I was routinely told "don't expect them to taste like the real
thing". <::boggle::> What's the point then?

Now tofu itself, different story for me. I like it.

Quoted message said:

Oh
well, de gustibus non est disputandum.

Indeed!

TammyM

TammyM said...

Quoted message said:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:56:40 -0700, Donald Martinich <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

OK, I'm a hardcore carnivore and I consider vocal/evangelical
vegetarians to be some of the most boring, sententious [censored] on this
earth.

Oh Don, you poor dear, and you live in Davis, Land of the
Sanctimonious Vegetarian! How do you manage? ;-)

Quoted message said:

Having said that, when I once tried a Boca burger, I found it
pretty tasty. It was similar to cheap commercial hamburger such as you
might find in a frozen White Castle Slider. If they were available at a
realistic price, I might even bag a box on occasion.

While I too am unapologetically carnivorous, I really like Boca
burgers and keep a box of 'em in the freeze. I buy them at Costco for
something like $8 a box (of ... 14? I forget.).

Quoted message said:

What I don't
understand is why veg-heads eat all those meat substitutes made with
toe-foo and so on. If you give up meat- give it up! There are no
shortage of good meatless cuisines and recipes in this big world.

Well, they **all** don't do this of course! But many do. And so many
of those toe-foo meat/dairy subs are just plain NASTY. I used to work
at the Sac Natch Co-Op when they gave members a 15% discount for
working 6 hours a month. I tried some of those toe-foo substitutes.
Yick. I was routinely told "don't expect them to taste like the real
thing". <::boggle::> What's the point then?

Now tofu itself, different story for me. I like it.

Quoted message said:

Oh
well, de gustibus non est disputandum.

Indeed!

TammyM

I too love meat. Why go for substitutes when there's perfectly good cow,
chicken, buffalo, etc., available.

I did a lot of meat subs like that while dieting and grew used to it.

This morning I made a double fajita veggie burg with lettuce, cheese and
mayo for breakfast. Delicious!

Still, I'm convinced there are benefits in eating meats and cheeses, milk,
fish, etc., that you just can't get from vegetables alone.

Andy

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan said...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

OK, I'm a hardcore carnivore and I consider vocal/evangelical
vegetarians to be some of the most boring, sententious [censored] on this
earth.

LOL... that's the way I feel about _reformed_ smokers. I usually have no
problems with vegetarians and have yet to meet a vegetarian preaching
about it.

As for the _reformed_ smoker comment... <g> I am one but I kept the whole
ordeal to myself. I didn't join support groups, slap on patches or bug
others. It just stopped. If company comes to the house and they want to
smoke, fine. I'm not going to inconvenience them to any degree. I can
switch on the fans.

Now about the vegetarians, one time six of us were invited dinner guests at
a famous person's mansion and we were all huddled around a square card
table on folding chairs in an empty dining room and he and his wife served
us a one course dinner of 7 bean salad. It was atrocious.

I never disliked vegetarians more than I did that day!

Andy

Donald Martinich said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Michael \'Dog3\' Lonergan said:

Mitch <Mitch@...>news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I love those things.

Quoted message said:

Peeeuuuukkkeee. Tasted a bite of one. Nasty.

Quoted message said:

Michael

OK, I'm a hardcore carnivore and I consider vocal/evangelical
vegetarians to be some of the most boring, sententious [censored] on this
earth. Having said that, when I once tried a Boca burger, I found it
pretty tasty. It was similar to cheap commercial hamburger such as you
might find in a frozen White Castle Slider. If they were available at a
realistic price, I might even bag a box on occasion. What I don't
understand is why veg-heads eat all those meat substitutes made with
toe-foo and so on. If you give up meat- give it up! There are no
shortage of good meatless cuisines and recipes in this big world. Oh
well, de gustibus non est disputandum.

D.M.

My question is: why do you give a rat's ass what anyone else eats,
why they eat it, when they eat it or how they eat it? LET_IT_GO! I
don't know what I call myself, but most of my life I was a veggie; not
a preaching one because I don't give a rip what other's eat. I only
care about me and my family (how selfish of me!).

My mother in law was heavily invested in my diet when I ate mostly a
vegan diet. It irritated the [censored] out of her although I never talked
about it unless she brought it up. In this case....the carnivore was
the annoying/vocal/evangelical participant.

My suggestion to you is to let go of your stereotyping and care less
about other people's choices. You'll save yourself some anger energy!

And if you're interested and live in the US, Costco sells the big
boxes of Boca Burgers. They even come with the lines that make them
look more like a grilled burger. Do you want to know why I eat them?
Nah, you've already decided what others should and should not eat :-)

On Mar 29, 6:31 am, "James Silverton"

not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not said:

I've never understood other people's enthusiasm for tofu, but
it may be my own tasting ability. It does add protein to Chinese
dishes but, to me, it is absolutely tasteless and its texture
unpleasant. You can do things with it to add some taste like
marinading it and baking it or freeze-drying to give texture, as
I think I have mentioned before. I cannot reach the level of
enthusiasm in Shurtleff and Aoyagi's "The Book of Tofu, Protein
Source of the Future-Now!" It has lots of information and
recipes, practically none of which I have wanted to try twice.

Given my usenet name for the group; I _must_ respond, no? :-)

Okay, here's the deal with tofu. There is tofu and there is TOFU.
What you buy in most American grocery stores is either the
refrigerated or boxed tofu. Particularly, the boxed ones....it's
awful tasting stuff; really gross in my opinion. It was not until I
found places where they make the tofu (and where I live it's a family
owned Vietnamese store. OH MY GOD. The warm tofu that was just made,
with a dash of soy sauce is to die for. Sometimes I can't even wait
until I get home. Then they also make the fried stuff (not sure what
they fry it in but I'm sure it's not healthy :-) You can purchase it:
Fried in big hunks
Fried in bite sized peices (what most restaurants buy from them)
Fried with green onion and rice noodles

and a few other assorted delights. It is heavenly stuff and well
worth the 40 minute drive into the city to get it. I have had guests
who are "ewwwwwwwww tofu" people and I've brought over the fried tofu
with the green onions and rice noodles...a small dish of soy sauce and
EVERYONE raved and said they no longer have tofphobia.

I really do think that how the tofu is made, makes all the
difference. The kind that is fresh, that you have to keep replacing
the water on it daily, is what you should be looking for. The ones in
boxes and refrigerated containers; well, it's just not good stuff.

Another good trick is to freeze tofu (stay away from the shelved
stuff...it is plain old nasty). Squeeze it out well, freeze it and
after defrosting, squeeze out well again; it acquires a texture that
holds up very nicely in stir fries.

Just a few suggestions and not preaching that you should like tofu!
As I posted above...I don't really care who eats what. Why would
I?????????????????? Lord knows I have enough to worry about to get
through each day :-)

Andy q said:

Now about the vegetarians, one time six of us were invited dinner guests at
a famous person's mansion and we were all huddled around a square card
table on folding chairs in an empty dining room and he and his wife served
us a one course dinner of 7 bean salad. It was atrocious.

I never disliked vegetarians more than I did that day!

The "famous person" sounds like an idiot who happened to be a
vegetarian. To put all veggies is this group is rather idiotic. But
I'm sure you were just angry _that_ night, right?

For every group that we meet, there will be morons. Shall we start to
hate everyone in the group or just realize that morons surround us
wherever we go? Take this group for instance....everyone here has a
common interest in food. Okay, so on occassion (I'm being nice lol),
idiots come in here posting absolute stupidity. So, should we
conclude that everyone who posts in this group who is interested in
food is stupid?

I know it sounds like I'm ranting....I just sometimes get so tired of
hearing generalizations and stereotyping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andy q said:

Quoted message said:

Well, they **all** don't do this of course! But many do. And so many
of those toe-foo meat/dairy subs are just plain NASTY. I used to work
at the Sac Natch Co-Op when they gave members a 15% discount for
working 6 hours a month. I tried some of those toe-foo substitutes.
Yick. I was routinely told "don't expect them to taste like the real
thing". <::boggle::> What's the point then?

The point is, is that not all of us have the same taste buds and not
all of us want to eat meat. And I still don't understand why anyone
cares why I eat what I eat. I don't ask omnivores why they eat
meat...I assume they eat because they like it (and I don't eat it
because I don't like it). Does it occur to any of you who are
criticizing how others eat, that perhaps others _like_ the food that
you don't like? I don't mean this disrespectfully, but you speak of
veggies as if they're a different species and only eat disgusting
tasting foods LOL!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Now tofu itself, different story for me. I like it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Oh
well, de gustibus non est disputandum.

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Indeed!

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TammyM

I too love meat. Why go for substitutes when there's perfectly good cow,
chicken, buffalo, etc., available.

Again...I ask....WHY DO YOU CARE IF OTHER'S CHOOSE SUBSTITUTES? Is it
to start an argument? Is it because you feel that your choice is
superior or your taste buds are more refined than mine? Why would you
even care if I like fake chicken? I don't care that you like real
chicken, so why the problem? I don't even understand why this is even
being discussed.

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I did a lot of meat subs like that while dieting and grew used to it.

This morning I made a double fajita veggie burg with lettuce, cheese and
mayo for breakfast. Delicious!

Still, I'm convinced there are benefits in eating meats and cheeses, milk,
fish, etc., that you just can't get from vegetables alone.

That's okay that you're convinced of that. I'm not vested in
preaching to others what they should eat or how they should eat
it....nor why they should or should not eat it. And for the
record....most veggies do not live on just "vegetables alone". I'm
not sure that I know anyone personally who only eats vegetables. That
_would_ seem a bit unhealthy!

tofuqueen said:

My question is:  why do you give a rat's ass what anyone else eats,

Wait just a minute... no real vegetarian would udder dem woids. hehehe

My only complaints are about selective vegetarians and those that
preach (especially *implicitly* - I really don't want to eat with
vegetarians, their mere presence ruins my meal), that want to be
catered to at someone else's dinner but then they'll go home and eat
fish, chicken, or some such nonsense like make up the rules as suits
them for the moment and still claim that they're vegetarian. Other
than for explicit medical reasons I don't think any guest has a right
to ever mention their dining preferences... vegetarians should just
STF up and eat with their own kind, like those who keep kosher...
don't like what's served, even for medical reasons, politely excuse
yourself and leave. And no way is someone going to convince me that
they can eat some meat and still be a vegetarian, yoose is or yoose
ain't[period]

Sheldon