Re: Low glycemic diet reduces risk factors of Metabolic syndrome

Director Spurlock clearly did not have insulin resistance before the
"experiment."

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> As his insulin levels the measure of insulin sensitivity were never measured how can you say that.?

Therefore, it was not the insulin resistance that caused the visceral

adipose tissue (VAT) leading to MetS but the other way around.
.>>Moreover,
Chicken McNuggets do not contain much refined
carbohydrates. From the documentary, it was clear that those
McNuggets were a frequent menu item

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How about the large fries .the large soda, the burgers, the milk

shakes all loaded with sugars and refined carbohydrates. Look obeasity
can be caused by any type of diet. But this type of diet produces VAT
in insulin sensitive people and therfore all the other co factors in
metS. There is even evidence that thin people can store VAT most
likely they will find that group is insulin resistant,.Thanks and may
God bless you. Vince

"Moreover, Chicken McNuggets do not contain much refined
carbohydrates. From the documentary, it was clear that those
McNuggets were a frequent menu item so that you really can not make a
case for the diet being a cause of VAT. Instead, it was the
supersizing. This is underscored by the irrefutable fact that
McDonald's has discontinued supersizing."

The mechanics are at it again. Pssst, I have it on good authority that
a diet consisting of two pounds of chicken nuggets a day is the thing
for perfect health. The proof is the pr marketing decision of a
corperation that shall go unnamed.

The department head of the marketing section is said to be on a fast
track for a trip to oslo this year.

bigvince said:

Director Spurlock clearly did not have insulin resistance before the
"experiment."

Quoted message said:

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>> As his insulin levels the measure of insulin sensitivity were never measured how can you say that.?

I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with
insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Laus Deo ! ! !

You will remain in my prayers, dear Vince, whom I love
unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

On May 20, 1:19 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>

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bigvince said:

Director Spurlock clearly did not have insulin resistance before the
"experiment."

Quoted message said:

>>> As his insulin levels the measure of insulin sensitivity were never measured how can you say that.?

I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with
insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Laus Deo ! ! !

You will remain in my prayers, dear Vince, whom I love
unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

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I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with

insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal
history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Quoted message said:

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Many with insulin resistance would have normal readings on all the paramaters you have outlined. What would you see during a physical exam that would show insulin resistance. They most certainly could have a normal ekg. Their lipids could be within normal range.They would have only an increased level of insulin. Even glucose test might fail to show it .To develop into MetS one must have the underlying insulin sensitivity and a diet that allows it to manifest. What exactly would you expect to see if you did not measure insulin levels. What was his exact levels on all those parameters. What was his level of excercise . Again some scientific reasons. May God bless you in Jesus name. Thanks Vince

bigvince said:

On May 20, 1:19 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>

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bigvince wrote:

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Director Spurlock clearly did not have insulin resistance before the
"experiment."
>>>> As his insulin levels the measure of insulin sensitivity were never measured how can you say that.?

Quoted message said:

I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with
insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Quoted message said:

Laus Deo ! ! !

Quoted message said:

You will remain in my prayers, dear Vince, whom I love
unconditionally.

Quoted message said:

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Quoted message said:

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

Quoted message said:

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

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>I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with

insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal
history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

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> Many with insulin resistance would have normal readings on all the paramaters you have outlined. What would you see during a physical exam that would show insulin resistance. They most certainly could have a normal ekg. Their lipids could be within normal range.They would have only an increased level of insulin. Even glucose test might fail to show it .To develop into MetS one must have the underlying insulin sensitivity and a diet that allows it to manifest. What exactly would you expect to see if you did not measure insulin levels. What was his exact levels on all those parameters. What was his level of excercise . Again some scientific reasons. May God bless you in Jesus name. Thanks Vince- Hide quoted text -

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bigvince said:

On May 20, 1:19 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>

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bigvince wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Director Spurlock clearly did not have insulin resistance before the
"experiment."
>>>> As his insulin levels the measure of insulin sensitivity were never measured how can you say that.?

Quoted message said:

I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with
insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Quoted message said:

Laus Deo ! ! !

Quoted message said:

You will remain in my prayers, dear Vince, whom I love
unconditionally.

Quoted message said:

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Quoted message said:

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

Quoted message said:

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

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>I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with

insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal
history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

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> Many with insulin resistance would have normal readings on all the paramaters you have outlined. What would you see during a physical exam that would show insulin resistance. They most certainly could have a normal ekg. Their lipids could be within normal range.They would have only an increased level of insulin. Even glucose test might fail to show it .To develop into MetS one must have the underlying insulin sensitivity and a diet that allows it to manifest. What exactly would you expect to see if you did not measure insulin levels. What was his exact levels on all those parameters. What was his level of excercise . Again some scientific reasons. May God bless you in Jesus name. Thanks Vince- Hide quoted text -

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bigvince said:

On May 20, 1:19 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>

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bigvince wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Director Spurlock clearly did not have insulin resistance before the
"experiment."
>>>> As his insulin levels the measure of insulin sensitivity were never measured how can you say that.?

Quoted message said:

I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with
insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Quoted message said:

Laus Deo ! ! !

Quoted message said:

You will remain in my prayers, dear Vince, whom I love
unconditionally.

Quoted message said:

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Quoted message said:

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

Quoted message said:

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Quoted message said:

>I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with

insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal
history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

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> Many with insulin resistance would have normal readings on all the paramaters you have outlined. What would you see during a physical exam that would show insulin resistance. They most certainly could have a normal ekg. Their lipids could be within normal range.They would have only an increased level of insulin. Even glucose test might fail to show it .To develop into MetS one must have the underlying insulin sensitivity and a diet that allows it to manifest. What exactly would you expect to see if you did not measure insulin levels. What was his exact levels on all those parameters. What was his level of excercise . Again some scientific reasons. May God bless you in Jesus name. Thanks Vince- Hide quoted text -

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On May 20, 1:19 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

bigvince said:

Director Spurlock clearly did not have insulin resistance before the
"experiment."

Quoted message said:

>>> As his insulin levels the measure of insulin sensitivity were never measured how can you say that.?

I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with
insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Laus Deo ! ! !

You will remain in my prayers, dear Vince, whom I love
unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Lets try again........... >>>I can write it because GOD has given me
the knowledge that folks with
insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal
history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Many with insulin resistance would have normal readings on all the paramaters you have outlined. What would you see during a physical exam that would show insulin resistance. They most certainly could have a normal ekg. Their lipids could be within normal range.They would have only an increased level of insulin. Even glucose test might fail to show it .To develop into MetS one must have the underlying insulin sensitivity and a diet that allows it to manifest. What exactly would you expect to see if you did not measure insulin levels. What was his exact levels on all those parameters. What was his level of excercise . Again some scientific reasons. May God bless you in Jesus name. Thanks Vince

bigvince said:

Andrew said:

bigvince said:

Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

Quoted message said:

> Director Spurlock clearly did not have insulin resistance before the
> "experiment."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As his insulin levels the measure of insulin sensitivity were never measured how can you say that.?

I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with
insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Laus Deo ! ! !

Lets try again........... >>>I can write it because GOD has given me
the knowledge that folks with
insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal
history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Many with insulin resistance would have normal readings on
all the paramaters you have outlined.

Incorrect.

Quoted message said:

What would you see during a physical exam that would show insulin resistance.

See:

Acne, blotchy hyperpigmentation (aka "age spots"😉, skin tags, ear
creases, inflamed gums, and heberden's nodes.

Feel:

Rough thickened skin and heberden's nodes.

Hear:

Basal systolic heart murmur, a 4th heart sound, and cracking joints as
a person walks.

Quoted message said:

They most certainly could have a normal ekg.

Non-specific STTW changes from coronary spasm arising from endothelial
dysfunction, which occurs with insulin resistance, would make an EKG
abnormal.

This would be one explanation for why Director Spurlock was having
chest pains after gaining nearly 30 lbs of VAT.

Quoted message said:

Their lipids could be within normal range.

More commonly, there will be the derrangements of high triglycerides
and low HDL.

Quoted message said:

They would have only an increased level of insulin.

This would not happen until after there are increased levels of
inflammatory cytokines from the VAT leading to the abnormal findings
on physical exam as described above.

Quoted message said:

Even glucose test might fail to show it .To develop into MetS one must
have the underlying insulin sensitivity and a diet that allows it to manifest.

Actually, all that is required is overeating and MetS will happen
automatically in time as VAT accumulates.

Quoted message said:

What exactly would you expect to see if you did not measure insulin levels.

What a doctor sees, feels, and hears in someone with MetS is described
above.

Quoted message said:

What was his exact levels on all those parameters.

Would suggest you either buy, rent, or borrow the SuperSizeMe DVD and
use the zoom feature of your DVD player to see what the exact levels
of these were for yourself (the order of the numbers were standard for
LabCorp so that even though the left side of the lab page were
obscured, one could see that all of Director Spurlock's comprehensive
blood test results were within the normal range).

Quoted message said:

What was his level of excercise .

This was described in the documentary as being physically active
including frequent sexual intercourse with his girlfriend.

Quoted message said:

Again some scientific reasons.

More than science here.... the truth.

Quoted message said:

May God bless you in Jesus name.

HE is doing that right now more than the world could possibly ever
know.

Quoted message said:

Thanks Vince

Thanks be to LORD Almighty GOD, Who chastens all who unwisely choose
to overeat by strickening them with MetS via the accumulation of VAT.

Laus Deo ! ! !

Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
right.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot
more, dear Vince whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

On May 21, 12:27 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

bigvince said:

Andrew said:

bigvince wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > Director Spurlock clearly did not have insulin resistance before the
> > "experiment."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> As his insulin levels the measure of insulin sensitivity were never measured how can you say that.?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with
insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Laus Deo ! ! !

Quoted message said:

Lets try again........... >>>I can write it because GOD has given me
the knowledge that folks with
insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal
history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Quoted message said:

Many with insulin resistance would have normal readings on
all the paramaters you have outlined.

Incorrect.

Quoted message said:

What would you see during a physical exam that would show insulin resistance.

See:

Acne, blotchy hyperpigmentation (aka "age spots"😉, skin tags, ear
creases, inflamed gums, and heberden's nodes.

Feel:

Rough thickened skin and heberden's nodes.

Hear:

Basal systolic heart murmur, a 4th heart sound, and cracking joints as
a person walks.

Quoted message said:

They most certainly could have a normal ekg.

Non-specific STTW changes from coronary spasm arising from endothelial
dysfunction, which occurs with insulin resistance, would make an EKG
abnormal.

This would be one explanation for why Director Spurlock was having
chest pains after gaining nearly 30 lbs of VAT.

Quoted message said:

Their lipids could be within normal range.

More commonly, there will be the derrangements of high triglycerides
and low HDL.

Quoted message said:

They would have only an increased level of insulin.

This would not happen until after there are increased levels of
inflammatory cytokines from the VAT leading to the abnormal findings
on physical exam as described above.

Quoted message said:

Even glucose test might fail to show it .To develop into MetS one must
have the underlying insulin sensitivity and a diet that allows it to manifest.

Actually, all that is required is overeating and MetS will happen
automatically in time as VAT accumulates.

Quoted message said:

What exactly would you expect to see if you did not measure insulin levels.

What a doctor sees, feels, and hears in someone with MetS is described
above.

Quoted message said:

What was his exact levels on all those parameters.

Would suggest you either buy, rent, or borrow the SuperSizeMe DVD and
use the zoom feature of your DVD player to see what the exact levels
of these were for yourself (the order of the numbers were standard for
LabCorp so that even though the left side of the lab page were
obscured, one could see that all of Director Spurlock's comprehensive
blood test results were within the normal range).

Quoted message said:

What was his level of excercise .

This was described in the documentary as being physically active
including frequent sexual intercourse with his girlfriend.

Quoted message said:

Again some scientific reasons.

More than science here.... the truth.

Quoted message said:

May God bless you in Jesus name.

HE is doing that right now more than the world could possibly ever
know.

Quoted message said:

Thanks Vince

Thanks be to LORD Almighty GOD, Who chastens all who unwisely choose
to overeat by strickening them with MetS via the accumulation of VAT.

Laus Deo ! ! !

Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
right.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot
more, dear Vince whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks now lets clarify are you saying that insulin resistanse again
not full blown MetS and certainly not MetS and early Heart diesease.
Would all have basal systolic murmer and a 4th heart sound or they
could have that. The same goes for the EKG people with increased
insulin resistance and early signs of MeTS some Vat would all have
abnormal Ekgs or could they have normal EKGS .Again the same with the
other symtoms; acne; cracking joints ect.; will these all show even
with little vat and some insulin resistance or are they much maore
likely in full blown MetS going toward early heart diesease. Thanks
and God Bless you Vince

On 24 May 2007 06:22:57 -0700, bigvince <[email hidden]>
wrote:

please trim your headers and stop cross posting the c trolls
ranting's.

bigvince said:

Andrew said:

bigvince said:

Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> bigvince wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

Quoted message said:

> > > Director Spurlock clearly did not have insulin resistance before the
> > > "experiment."

Quoted message said:

> > As his insulin levels the measure of insulin sensitivity were never measured how can you say that.?

Quoted message said:

> I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with
> insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal history,
> normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
> lipid profile, etc).

Quoted message said:

> Laus Deo ! ! !

Quoted message said:

Lets try again........... >>>I can write it because GOD has given me
the knowledge that folks with
insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal
history,
normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
lipid profile, etc).

Quoted message said:

Many with insulin resistance would have normal readings on
all the paramaters you have outlined.

Incorrect.

Quoted message said:

What would you see during a physical exam that would show insulin resistance.

See:

Acne, blotchy hyperpigmentation (aka "age spots"😉, skin tags, ear
creases, inflamed gums, and heberden's nodes.

Feel:

Rough thickened skin and heberden's nodes.

Hear:

Basal systolic heart murmur, a 4th heart sound, and cracking joints as
a person walks.

Quoted message said:

They most certainly could have a normal ekg.

Non-specific STTW changes from coronary spasm arising from endothelial
dysfunction, which occurs with insulin resistance, would make an EKG
abnormal.

This would be one explanation for why Director Spurlock was having
chest pains after gaining nearly 30 lbs of VAT.

Quoted message said:

Their lipids could be within normal range.

More commonly, there will be the derrangements of high triglycerides
and low HDL.

Quoted message said:

They would have only an increased level of insulin.

This would not happen until after there are increased levels of
inflammatory cytokines from the VAT leading to the abnormal findings
on physical exam as described above.

Quoted message said:

Even glucose test might fail to show it .To develop into MetS one must
have the underlying insulin sensitivity and a diet that allows it to manifest.

Actually, all that is required is overeating and MetS will happen
automatically in time as VAT accumulates.

Quoted message said:

What exactly would you expect to see if you did not measure insulin levels.

What a doctor sees, feels, and hears in someone with MetS is described
above.

Quoted message said:

What was his exact levels on all those parameters.

Would suggest you either buy, rent, or borrow the SuperSizeMe DVD and
use the zoom feature of your DVD player to see what the exact levels
of these were for yourself (the order of the numbers were standard for
LabCorp so that even though the left side of the lab page were
obscured, one could see that all of Director Spurlock's comprehensive
blood test results were within the normal range).

Quoted message said:

What was his level of excercise .

This was described in the documentary as being physically active
including frequent sexual intercourse with his girlfriend.

Quoted message said:

Again some scientific reasons.

More than science here.... the truth.

Quoted message said:

May God bless you in Jesus name.

HE is doing that right now more than the world could possibly ever
know.

Quoted message said:

Thanks Vince

Thanks be to LORD Almighty GOD, Who chastens all who unwisely choose
to overeat by strickening them with MetS via the accumulation of VAT.

Laus Deo ! ! !

Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
right.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot
more, dear Vince whom I love unconditionally.

Thanks now lets clarify are you saying that insulin resistanse again
not full blown MetS and certainly not MetS and early Heart diesease.
Would all have basal systolic murmer and a 4th heart sound or they
could have that. The same goes for the EKG people with increased
insulin resistance and early signs of MeTS some Vat would all have
abnormal Ekgs or could they have normal EKGS .Again the same with the
other symtoms; acne; cracking joints ect.; will these all show even
with little vat and some insulin resistance or are they much maore
likely in full blown MetS going toward early heart diesease.

As soon as there is VAT, abnormal physical findings will start to
manifest as outlined above.

VAT is the cause of insulin resistance.

It logically follows that those without VAT will not have insulin
resistance.

A person with insulin resistance has already had VAT for a while and
will therefore not have a normal physical exam.

May GOD open your eyes.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

On May 25, 4:46 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

bigvince said:

Andrew said:

bigvince wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > bigvince wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > Director Spurlock clearly did not have insulin resistance before the
> > > > "experiment."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > As his insulin levels the measure of insulin sensitivity were never measured how can you say that.?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with
> > insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal history,
> > normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
> > lipid profile, etc).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > Laus Deo ! ! !

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Lets try again........... >>>I can write it because GOD has given me
> the knowledge that folks with
> insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal
> history,
> normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
> lipid profile, etc).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Many with insulin resistance would have normal readings on
> all the paramaters you have outlined.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Incorrect.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> What would you see during a physical exam that would show insulin resistance.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

See:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Acne, blotchy hyperpigmentation (aka "age spots"😉, skin tags, ear
creases, inflamed gums, and heberden's nodes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Feel:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Rough thickened skin and heberden's nodes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hear:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Basal systolic heart murmur, a 4th heart sound, and cracking joints as
a person walks.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> They most certainly could have a normal ekg.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Non-specific STTW changes from coronary spasm arising from endothelial
dysfunction, which occurs with insulin resistance, would make an EKG
abnormal.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This would be one explanation for why Director Spurlock was having
chest pains after gaining nearly 30 lbs of VAT.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Their lipids could be within normal range.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

More commonly, there will be the derrangements of high triglycerides
and low HDL.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> They would have only an increased level of insulin.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This would not happen until after there are increased levels of
inflammatory cytokines from the VAT leading to the abnormal findings
on physical exam as described above.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Even glucose test might fail to show it .To develop into MetS one must
> have the underlying insulin sensitivity and a diet that allows it to manifest.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Actually, all that is required is overeating and MetS will happen
automatically in time as VAT accumulates.

Quoted message said:

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> What exactly would you expect to see if you did not measure insulin levels.

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What a doctor sees, feels, and hears in someone with MetS is described
above.

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> What was his exact levels on all those parameters.

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Would suggest you either buy, rent, or borrow the SuperSizeMe DVD and
use the zoom feature of your DVD player to see what the exact levels
of these were for yourself (the order of the numbers were standard for
LabCorp so that even though the left side of the lab page were
obscured, one could see that all of Director Spurlock's comprehensive
blood test results were within the normal range).

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> What was his level of excercise .

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This was described in the documentary as being physically active
including frequent sexual intercourse with his girlfriend.

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> Again some scientific reasons.

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More than science here.... the truth.

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> May God bless you in Jesus name.

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HE is doing that right now more than the world could possibly ever
know.

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> Thanks Vince

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Thanks be to LORD Almighty GOD, Who chastens all who unwisely choose
to overeat by strickening them with MetS via the accumulation of VAT.

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Laus Deo ! ! !

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Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
right.

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May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot
more, dear Vince whom I love unconditionally.

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Thanks now lets clarify are you saying that insulin resistanse again
not full blown MetS and certainly not MetS and early Heart diesease.
Would all have basal systolic murmer and a 4th heart sound or they
could have that. The same goes for the EKG people with increased
insulin resistance and early signs of MeTS some Vat would all have
abnormal Ekgs or could they have normal EKGS .Again the same with the
other symtoms; acne; cracking joints ect.; will these all show even
with little vat and some insulin resistance or are they much maore
likely in full blown MetS going toward early heart diesease.

As soon as there is VAT, abnormal physical findings will start to
manifest as outlined above.

VAT is the cause of insulin resistance.

It logically follows that those without VAT will not have insulin
resistance.

A person with insulin resistance has already had VAT for a while and
will therefore not have a normal physical exam.

May GOD open your eyes.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
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If I understand you correctly you can tell if a person has VAT by an
EKG ? As the accumulation of VaT is an on going process at the early
stages this is true? Thanks and God Bless Vince

On 25 May 2007 08:41:34 -0700, bigvince <[email hidden]>
wrote:

since you insist on reposting the c trolls idiocy in it's entirety you
obviously are a sock puppet and or shill for that schizophrenic.

bigvince said:

Andrew said:

bigvince said:

Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> bigvince wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > bigvince wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

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> > > > > Director Spurlock clearly did not have insulin resistance before the
> > > > > "experiment."

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> > > > As his insulin levels the measure of insulin sensitivity were never measured how can you say that.?

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> > > I can write it because GOD has given me the knowledge that folks with
> > > insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal history,
> > > normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
> > > lipid profile, etc).

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> > > Laus Deo ! ! !

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> > Lets try again........... >>>I can write it because GOD has given me
> > the knowledge that folks with
> > insulin resistance are not normal (ie would not have a normal
> > history,
> > normal physical exam, normal EKG, normal blood tests including normal
> > lipid profile, etc).

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> > Many with insulin resistance would have normal readings on
> > all the paramaters you have outlined.

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> Incorrect.

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> > What would you see during a physical exam that would show insulin resistance.

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> See:

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> Acne, blotchy hyperpigmentation (aka "age spots"😉, skin tags, ear
> creases, inflamed gums, and heberden's nodes.

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> Feel:

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> Rough thickened skin and heberden's nodes.

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> Hear:

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> Basal systolic heart murmur, a 4th heart sound, and cracking joints as
> a person walks.

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> > They most certainly could have a normal ekg.

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> Non-specific STTW changes from coronary spasm arising from endothelial
> dysfunction, which occurs with insulin resistance, would make an EKG
> abnormal.

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> This would be one explanation for why Director Spurlock was having
> chest pains after gaining nearly 30 lbs of VAT.

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> > Their lipids could be within normal range.

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> More commonly, there will be the derrangements of high triglycerides
> and low HDL.

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> > They would have only an increased level of insulin.

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> This would not happen until after there are increased levels of
> inflammatory cytokines from the VAT leading to the abnormal findings
> on physical exam as described above.

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> > Even glucose test might fail to show it .To develop into MetS one must
> > have the underlying insulin sensitivity and a diet that allows it to manifest.

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> Actually, all that is required is overeating and MetS will happen
> automatically in time as VAT accumulates.

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> > What exactly would you expect to see if you did not measure insulin levels.

Quoted message said:

> What a doctor sees, feels, and hears in someone with MetS is described
> above.

Quoted message said:

> > What was his exact levels on all those parameters.

Quoted message said:

> Would suggest you either buy, rent, or borrow the SuperSizeMe DVD and
> use the zoom feature of your DVD player to see what the exact levels
> of these were for yourself (the order of the numbers were standard for
> LabCorp so that even though the left side of the lab page were
> obscured, one could see that all of Director Spurlock's comprehensive
> blood test results were within the normal range).

Quoted message said:

> > What was his level of excercise .

Quoted message said:

> This was described in the documentary as being physically active
> including frequent sexual intercourse with his girlfriend.

Quoted message said:

> > Again some scientific reasons.

Quoted message said:

> More than science here.... the truth.

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> > May God bless you in Jesus name.

Quoted message said:

> HE is doing that right now more than the world could possibly ever
> know.

Quoted message said:

> > Thanks Vince

Quoted message said:

> Thanks be to LORD Almighty GOD, Who chastens all who unwisely choose
> to overeat by strickening them with MetS via the accumulation of VAT.

Quoted message said:

> Laus Deo ! ! !

Quoted message said:

> Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
> right.

Quoted message said:

> May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
> can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot
> more, dear Vince whom I love unconditionally.

Quoted message said:

Thanks now lets clarify are you saying that insulin resistanse again
not full blown MetS and certainly not MetS and early Heart diesease.
Would all have basal systolic murmer and a 4th heart sound or they
could have that. The same goes for the EKG people with increased
insulin resistance and early signs of MeTS some Vat would all have
abnormal Ekgs or could they have normal EKGS .Again the same with the
other symtoms; acne; cracking joints ect.; will these all show even
with little vat and some insulin resistance or are they much maore
likely in full blown MetS going toward early heart diesease.

As soon as there is VAT, abnormal physical findings will start to
manifest as outlined above.

VAT is the cause of insulin resistance.

It logically follows that those without VAT will not have insulin
resistance.

A person with insulin resistance has already had VAT for a while and
will therefore not have a normal physical exam.

May GOD open your eyes.

If I understand you correctly you can tell if a person has VAT by an
EKG ?

You understand incorrectly.

Quoted message said:

As the accumulation of VaT is an on going process at the early
stages this is true?

The accumulation of VAT occurs as a consequence of overeating.

Suggested reading:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

In article <[email hidden]>,
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Suggested reading:

Andrew Chung:

Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)

Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format [email hidden] (#
being a number)

Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days

Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite
having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals

Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the
ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website

Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)

Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits
to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.

Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto food.

Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from
the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe

Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird
flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and
changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which
naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.

Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of
being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.

Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity
is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a
church.

Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being
on vacation".

Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and
has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.

Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as
the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the
blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they
pass away.