7 pounds, 2 weeks...i love low carb

I'm still not convinced that dropping coffee speeds up weight loss.
Maybe because I am afraid to give up my coffee! But I am still losing
at a great rate with 2-3 cups of joe a day.

I do believe that alcohol of any kind slows down weight loss, and do
not indulge anymore.

T

Tom said:

I'm still not convinced that dropping coffee speeds up weight loss.
Maybe because I am afraid to give up my coffee! But I am still losing
at a great rate with 2-3 cups of joe a day.

I don't know if it does or not. I gave up regular coffee years ago
because of my reaction to the caffeine. Now, I'm strictly an unleaded
girl, unless hubby is home. He says he can't stand the stuff and we
have to fix regular for him.

If he's only home for a couple of days, I have no problem. But if
he's home for a week or so, and I drink his coffee, I'm in for a week
or two of withdrawal after he leaves. Don't know about the weighloss
-- I'm usually in too much pain to care until it's over. ;-)

We try to pay more attention to it now that I've put two and two
together and figured out what was going on.

--
BlueBrooke
254/234/135

Tom said:

I'm still not convinced that dropping coffee speeds up weight loss.
Maybe because I am afraid to give up my coffee! But I am still losing
at a great rate with 2-3 cups of joe a day.

I do believe that alcohol of any kind slows down weight loss, and do
not indulge anymore.

T

Yeah, I've reached the conclusion that alcohol is bad. It's possible to
lose weight and drink alcohol, but you have to be doing a ton of
exercise. So, unless I do a lot of physical labor and exercise, I don't
imbibe.

--
Bob in CT

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I don't know if it does or not. I gave up regular coffee years ago
because of my reaction to the caffeine. Now, I'm strictly an unleaded
girl, unless hubby is home. He says he can't stand the stuff and we
have to fix regular for him.

If he's only home for a couple of days, I have no problem. But if
he's home for a week or so, and I drink his coffee, I'm in for a week
or two of withdrawal after he leaves. Don't know about the weighloss
-- I'm usually in too much pain to care until it's over. ;-)

We try to pay more attention to it now that I've put two and two
together and figured out what was going on.

--
BlueBrooke
254/234/135

Since my illness began in December, I've had no choice but to give up
coffee - even though I LOVE my coffee, always drank several 20 oz mugs per
day (which didn't deter my weight loss, BTW)...but now I have no choice. I
have 2 words for anybody else who might happen to be in my situation: Dandy
Blend.

www.dandyblend.com . A couple of friends who've had issues with coffee but
also "refused" to give it up (like me), now swear by the stuff also.
--
Sherry
lowcarb.owly.net

Tom wrote:
:: I'm still not convinced that dropping coffee speeds up weight loss.
:: Maybe because I am afraid to give up my coffee! But I am still
:: losing at a great rate with 2-3 cups of joe a day.
::
:: I do believe that alcohol of any kind slows down weight loss, and do
:: not indulge anymore.

Alcohol has way more calories than coffee w/o cream and/or sugar.

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:57:01 -0400, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

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Tom wrote:
:: I'm still not convinced that dropping coffee speeds up weight loss.
:: Maybe because I am afraid to give up my coffee! But I am still
:: losing at a great rate with 2-3 cups of joe a day.
::
:: I do believe that alcohol of any kind slows down weight loss, and do
:: not indulge anymore.

Alcohol has way more calories than coffee w/o cream and/or sugar.

I've been drinking black coffee, and there are few calories in it.
Alcohol, on the other hand, is a minimum of 70-80 calories just for a shot.

--
Bob in CT

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Tom wrote:
:: I'm still not convinced that dropping coffee speeds up weight loss.
:: Maybe because I am afraid to give up my coffee! But I am still
:: losing at a great rate with 2-3 cups of joe a day.
::
:: I do believe that alcohol of any kind slows down weight loss, and do
:: not indulge anymore.

Alcohol has way more calories than coffee w/o cream and/or sugar.

but not carbs?

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:: I do believe that alcohol of any kind slows down weight loss, and do
:: not indulge anymore.

Alcohol has way more calories than coffee w/o cream and/or sugar.

but not carbs?

I know what you're getting at, but Dr. Atkins said in his book that the
body will work on digesting the alcohol before anything else and that is
what stalls the weight loss.

I am not 'getting at' anything. I just thought they were carbs. Don't put
words into my mouth please!

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> :: I do believe that alcohol of any kind slows down weight loss, and do
> :: not indulge anymore.
>
> Alcohol has way more calories than coffee w/o cream and/or sugar.

but not carbs?

I know what you're getting at, but Dr. Atkins said in his book that the
body will work on digesting the alcohol before anything else and that is
what stalls the weight loss.

I am not 'getting at' anything. I just thought they were carbs. Don't
put words into my mouth please!

*sigh* that they were NOT carbs!!!

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::
:: I do believe that alcohol of any kind slows down weight loss, and do
:: not indulge anymore.

Alcohol has way more calories than coffee w/o cream and/or sugar.

but not carbs?

I know what you're getting at, but Dr. Atkins said in his book that the body
will work on digesting the alcohol before anything else and that is what
stalls the weight loss.

Pat in TX

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>>>
>>> Alcohol has way more calories than coffee w/o cream and/or sugar.
>>
>> but not carbs?
>
> I know what you're getting at, but Dr. Atkins said in his book that the
> body will work on digesting the alcohol before anything else and that
> is what stalls the weight loss.

I am not 'getting at' anything. I just thought they were carbs. Don't
put words into my mouth please!

*sigh* that they were NOT carbs!!!

What words, exactly, did I "put in your mouth"?

Insinuating that Ididn't know what Dr. Atkins said about it perhaps???

If not, why did you feel the need to tell me! My only comment was about
alcohol not being carbs!!!

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>> Alcohol has way more calories than coffee w/o cream and/or sugar.
>
> but not carbs?

I know what you're getting at, but Dr. Atkins said in his book that the
body will work on digesting the alcohol before anything else and that is
what stalls the weight loss.

I am not 'getting at' anything. I just thought they were carbs. Don't
put words into my mouth please!

*sigh* that they were NOT carbs!!!

What words, exactly, did I "put in your mouth"?

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Ophelia said:

Roger Zoul said:

Tom wrote:

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:: I do believe that alcohol of any kind slows down weight loss, and do
:: not indulge anymore.

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Alcohol has way more calories than coffee w/o cream and/or sugar.

but not carbs?

That depends on how aggressively you want to count various
types of calories against your carb quota. Alcohol turns off
ketosis until the alcohol is gone so there is some sense in
counting alcohol calories against your carb quota even though
alcohol is not a carb.

Some things are "carb-alike" enough that it makes sense to
count them as carbs even though they aren't carbs.

Alcohol has calories and suppresses ketosis so it's worth
counting. Heck, alcohol could even be counted against a
sugar quota if you wanted to do that even though it isn't sugar
either.

Glycerine isn't a carb but the body does convert it (slowly)
to glucose as nearly 100% efficiency gram for gram so it
makes sense to count it as a carb even though it isn't. But
because the conversion process is slow it does not make
sense to count glycerine against some sugar quota.

On the other hand insoluble fiber is definitely a carb but
unless someone reading this is a termite no one here can
digest any of it at all. So it makes sense to not count
insoluble fiber as a carb.

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>> I know what you're getting at, but Dr. Atkins said in his book that
>> the
>> body will work on digesting the alcohol before anything else and that
>> is what stalls the weight loss.
>
> I am not 'getting at' anything. I just thought they were carbs.
> Don't
> put words into my mouth please!

*sigh* that they were NOT carbs!!!

What words, exactly, did I "put in your mouth"?

Insinuating that Ididn't know what Dr. Atkins said about it perhaps???

If not, why did you feel the need to tell me! My only comment was about
alcohol not being carbs!!!

First, you said I had "put words" into your mouth. Now you are saying I was
"insinuating" something. Get a grip! I didn't do anything of the sort. And
now, you'll tell me I am doing something else, I suppose. I am still waiting
to see those words I supposedly put in your mouth.

Pat in TX

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Doug Freyburger wrote:
:: Glycerine isn't a carb but the body does convert it (slowly)
:: to glucose as nearly 100% efficiency gram for gram so it
:: makes sense to count it as a carb even though it isn't. But
:: because the conversion process is slow it does not make
:: sense to count glycerine against some sugar quota.

I often wonder about the suitability of using something slow like glycerine
to achieve a "carb up."
By that I mean to consume enough of a time period to refill liver and muscle
gylcogen in advance of long exercise bouts. I wonder if there is an
advantage to this from a BG standpoint -- the slow conversion would allow
one to avoid BG spikes to damaging levels but yet allow the refill.

I'd be very interested in hearing all comments regarding this notion.

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Ophelia said:

Roger Zoul said:

Tom wrote:

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:: I do believe that alcohol of any kind slows down weight loss, and do
:: not indulge anymore.

Quoted message said:

Alcohol has way more calories than coffee w/o cream and/or sugar.

but not carbs?

That depends on how aggressively you want to count various
types of calories against your carb quota. Alcohol turns off
ketosis until the alcohol is gone so there is some sense in
counting alcohol calories against your carb quota even though
alcohol is not a carb.

Some things are "carb-alike" enough that it makes sense to
count them as carbs even though they aren't carbs.

Alcohol has calories and suppresses ketosis so it's worth
counting. Heck, alcohol could even be counted against a
sugar quota if you wanted to do that even though it isn't sugar
either.

Glycerine isn't a carb but the body does convert it (slowly)
to glucose as nearly 100% efficiency gram for gram so it
makes sense to count it as a carb even though it isn't. But
because the conversion process is slow it does not make
sense to count glycerine against some sugar quota.

On the other hand insoluble fiber is definitely a carb but
unless someone reading this is a termite no one here can
digest any of it at all. So it makes sense to not count
insoluble fiber as a carb.

Thanks Doug🙂

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>>> I know what you're getting at, but Dr. Atkins said in his book that
>>> the
>>> body will work on digesting the alcohol before anything else and that
>>> is what stalls the weight loss.
>>
>> I am not 'getting at' anything. I just thought they were carbs. Don't
>> put words into my mouth please!
>
> *sigh* that they were NOT carbs!!!

What words, exactly, did I "put in your mouth"?

Insinuating that Ididn't know what Dr. Atkins said about it perhaps???

If not, why did you feel the need to tell me! My only comment was about
alcohol not being carbs!!!

First, you said I had "put words" into your mouth. Now you are saying I
was "insinuating" something. Get a grip! I didn't do anything of the sort.
And now, you'll tell me I am doing something else, I suppose. I am still
waiting to see those words I supposedly put in your mouth.

*smile*

Roger Zoul said:

Doug Freyburger wrote:

:: Glycerine isn't a carb but the body does convert it (slowly)
:: to glucose as nearly 100% efficiency gram for gram so it
:: makes sense to count it as a carb even though it isn't. But
:: because the conversion process is slow it does not make
:: sense to count glycerine against some sugar quota.

A bit on the science of this - When fat is burned the liver
takes a fat molecule and trims off 3 fatty acids leaving a
glycerol left over. Two glycerols are bonded to make a
glucose. This way about 10% of the energy from burning
fat comes int he form of glucose. It's one of the reasons
why it's possible to eat zero dietary carbs and still have
a stable blood sugar level - the body makes the glucose.
Glycerine is converted to glycerol and then converted to
glucose as if it came from fat burning.

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I often wonder about the suitability of using something slow like glycerine
to achieve a "carb up."

I have wondered about it for use in a "leptin reset".

Quoted message said:

By that I mean to consume enough of a time period to refill liver and muscle
gylcogen in advance of long exercise bouts.

A leptin reset does that for different reasons. It's goal is an
increased basal metabolism long term.

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I wonder if there is an
advantage to this from a BG standpoint -- the slow conversion would allow
one to avoid BG spikes to damaging levels but yet allow the refill.

It would avoid BG spikes. Whether it's fast enough for a
heavy aerobic event like a century bike ride or a half
marathon isn't something I'll guess at.

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I'd be very interested in hearing all comments regarding this notion.

Is anyone interested enough to gather experimental data?

A carb-up for a big bike ride is generally something like an
orange just before getting on the bike, right? Doing a similar
number of calories from glycerine once might be worth a try
as long as you have the orange in the saddle bag.

Since leptin resets aren't done that often and do work using
carb sources like potatoes using glycerine seems too much
like replacing a natural food with an artificial one.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:50:33 -0400, Doug Freyburger <[email hidden]>

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Roger Zoul said:

Doug Freyburger wrote:

:: Glycerine isn't a carb but the body does convert it (slowly)
:: to glucose as nearly 100% efficiency gram for gram so it
:: makes sense to count it as a carb even though it isn't. But
:: because the conversion process is slow it does not make
:: sense to count glycerine against some sugar quota.

A bit on the science of this - When fat is burned the liver
takes a fat molecule and trims off 3 fatty acids leaving a
glycerol left over. Two glycerols are bonded to make a
glucose. This way about 10% of the energy from burning
fat comes int he form of glucose. It's one of the reasons
why it's possible to eat zero dietary carbs and still have
a stable blood sugar level - the body makes the glucose.
Glycerine is converted to glycerol and then converted to
glucose as if it came from fat burning.

Quoted message said:

I often wonder about the suitability of using something slow like
glycerine
to achieve a "carb up."

I have wondered about it for use in a "leptin reset".

Quoted message said:

By that I mean to consume enough of a time period to refill liver and
muscle
gylcogen in advance of long exercise bouts.

A leptin reset does that for different reasons. It's goal is an
increased basal metabolism long term.

Quoted message said:

I wonder if there is an
advantage to this from a BG standpoint -- the slow conversion would
allow
one to avoid BG spikes to damaging levels but yet allow the refill.

It would avoid BG spikes. Whether it's fast enough for a
heavy aerobic event like a century bike ride or a half
marathon isn't something I'll guess at.

Quoted message said:

I'd be very interested in hearing all comments regarding this notion.

Is anyone interested enough to gather experimental data?

A carb-up for a big bike ride is generally something like an
orange just before getting on the bike, right? Doing a similar
number of calories from glycerine once might be worth a try
as long as you have the orange in the saddle bag.

I find that a (relatively) lot of carbs the day or two before hard biking
is way better than the same amount of carbs before biking. The carbs need
to be "forced" into the liver and muscles.

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Since leptin resets aren't done that often and do work using
carb sources like potatoes using glycerine seems too much
like replacing a natural food with an artificial one.

--
Bob in CT