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  1. In another post on this board, Roger Zoul mentioned that my story
    might be helpful to others:

    I'm Duffy, I used to hang out here a lot. Back in 2002 I weighed 182
    and I've been at my goal weight of 122 for several years. I lost the
    weight through a combination of low carb eating and exercise. And the
    help and support of the folks on this board, of course! I put together
    my own plan....for a variety of reasons, Atkins wasn't the right program
    for me, and I don't think South Beach had been invented yet!

    Anyway, I read everything I could about nutrition, diet, etc and
    learned what worked and what didn't for me. Then I stuck to the
    program. I tried to exercise 3-4 times a week. Nothing exotic.
    Sometimes a walk by the beach, sometimes a workout at the gym,
    sometimes a feeble attempt at tennis.

    I can't say it was easy. I didn't eat fake food. I counted every carb
    - not the net carbs conveniently shown on so many packages. But
    watching those size 16-18 bloomers get bigger and bigger made it
    worthwhile.

    I realized that I am one of those people that can't have a taste, one
    chip or a single cookie or a bite. Nope. Give me one tortilla chip and
    I'll eat the bag. A lick of ice cream will have me finishing off the
    carton. So it's easier to just say no. I tell people that low carb
    eating takes away the voices in my head. If they think I'm nuts, well,
    I don't care. I just walk away in my size 4 pants....

    I've kept on with the "Duffy plan" for years. I modified it a bit for
    maintenance, but basically I eat low carb and exercise. No refined
    sugar or flour. Very little fake food. Every day it's a choice. I am
    at the point now where I can eat dessert now and then or have a taste
    of starch. But eating "stuff" causes cravings to kick in, and then I
    go through withdrawal. I ask myself, is it worth it? Usually the
    answer is no.

    I love being thin. I'm no kid (my son graduates from college next
    month!) and it's such a hoot to be mistaken for his sister sometimes.
    Would I trade that experience for food? Nope. Not anymore.

    Duffy

  2. Duffy said:

    I realized that I am one of those people that can't have a taste, one
    chip or a single cookie or a bite. Nope. Give me one tortilla chip and
    I'll eat the bag. A lick of ice cream will have me finishing off the
    carton. So it's easier to just say no. I tell people that low carb
    eating takes away the voices in my head.

    You chose an interesting set of foods as your examples here. Although
    they are high in carbohydrates, we cannot gloss over the fact that
    they are also high fat items!

    Cookies typically include quite a bit of some kind of fat from
    vegetable oil or, as is sadly common, trans-fat shortening.

    Tortilla chips are extremely high in fat: half of their calories are
    from fat, which constitues something like a quarter of their weight!

    Traditional ice cream may be sweet, but it's loaded with saturated fat
    as well as sugar.

    Like most people who think they are doing low-carbing by eliminating
    these foods, you're actually taking a lot fat out of your diet by
    avoiding them in addition to carbs and the majority of the discarded
    calories are from fat.

    Therefore, to be completely honest, you cannot attribute whatever
    results you have achieved purely to carbohydrate reduction.

    Quoted message said:

    I just walk away in my size 4 pants....

    Traditional size 4 or modern ``vanity'' size 4?

    What is your height and waist circumference? How visible are your abs?

    Quoted message said:

    I've kept on with the "Duffy plan" for years. I modified it a bit for
    maintenance, but basically I eat low carb and exercise. No refined
    sugar or flour.

    What refined sugar or flour products were you eating before that were
    not also loaded with added fat?

  3. Kaz Kylheku said:
    Duffy said:

    I realized that I am one of those people that can't have a taste, one
    chip or a single cookie or a bite. Nope. Give me one tortilla chip and
    I'll eat the bag. A lick of ice cream will have me finishing off the
    carton. So it's easier to just say no. I tell people that low carb
    eating takes away the voices in my head.

    You chose an interesting set of foods as your examples here. Although
    they are high in carbohydrates, we cannot gloss over the fact that
    they are also high fat items!

    Cookies typically include quite a bit of some kind of fat from
    vegetable oil or, as is sadly common, trans-fat shortening.

    Tortilla chips are extremely high in fat: half of their calories are
    from fat, which constitues something like a quarter of their weight!

    Traditional ice cream may be sweet, but it's loaded with saturated fat
    as well as sugar.

    Like most people who think they are doing low-carbing by eliminating
    these foods, you're actually taking a lot fat out of your diet by
    avoiding them in addition to carbs and the majority of the discarded
    calories are from fat.

    Therefore, to be completely honest, you cannot attribute whatever
    results you have achieved purely to carbohydrate reduction.

    Quoted message said:

    I just walk away in my size 4 pants....

    Traditional size 4 or modern ``vanity'' size 4?

    What is your height and waist circumference? How visible are your abs?

    Quoted message said:

    I've kept on with the "Duffy plan" for years. I modified it a bit for
    maintenance, but basically I eat low carb and exercise. No refined
    sugar or flour.

    What refined sugar or flour products were you eating before that were
    not also loaded with added fat?

    Geesh... For the record I'm 5'6".I don't have a tape measure handy so
    I can't tell you my waist measurment. My abs are very visible. If
    you're asking can I pinch an inch-the answer is no. As to whether the
    size 4 is a vanity 4 or a traditional size 4, I dunno.The size 4
    currently sold fits and I wear it. I wear a women's small shirt size
    too.

    As to the questions about my food choices......I was trying to make a
    point in my post that I think you missed. I hope the other readers get
    the point.

    See ya.

    Duffy

  4. Kaz Kylheku wrote:
    ::
    :: Therefore, to be completely honest, you cannot attribute whatever
    :: results you have achieved purely to carbohydrate reduction.
    ::

    Of course, if you had a clue about why low carb works for many people,
    instead of just trolling this group, you wouldn't be posting this.

    ::: I've kept on with the "Duffy plan" for years. I modified it a bit
    ::: for maintenance, but basically I eat low carb and exercise. No
    ::: refined sugar or flour.
    ::
    :: What refined sugar or flour products were you eating before that were
    :: not also loaded with added fat?

    How about pasta and bread? White rice?

    Many here lose the carbs and lose weight. I wonder how that can be?

  5. Duffy said:

    As to the questions about my food choices......I was trying to make a
    point in my post that I think you missed.

    I most certainly did get the point that you lost fat by cutting out
    discretionary calories and exercising. Wonderful!

  6. I got it, and I totally understand it. Good to see you posting, and
    congrats on keeping it off.

    Cheri

    Duffy wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    As to the questions about my food choices......I was trying to make a
    point in my post that I think you missed. I hope the other readers


    get

    Quoted message said:

    the point.

    See ya.

    Duffy

  7. Cutting out carbs does more than reduce the calories from carbs, it reduces
    the appetite. That's the benefit of carb restriction. That's also the
    point you seem to be missing.

    Kaz Kylheku wrote:
    |
    | I most certainly did get the point that you lost fat by cutting out
    | discretionary calories and exercising. Wonderful!

  8. "Duffy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I just walk away in my size 4 pants....

    Traditional size 4 or modern ``vanity'' size 4?

    LOL I would be happy to be a traditional size 10. However you count 'size
    4' that is good🙂)

    Quoted message said:

    As to the questions about my food choices......I was trying to make a
    point in my post that I think you missed. I hope the other readers get
    the point.

    I did Duffy and thank you for sharing🙂

    O

  9. Kaz Kylheku said:
    Duffy said:

    I realized that I am one of those people that can't have a taste, one
    chip or a single cookie or a bite. Nope. Give me one tortilla chip and
    I'll eat the bag. A lick of ice cream will have me finishing off the
    carton. So it's easier to just say no. I tell people that low carb
    eating takes away the voices in my head.

    You chose an interesting set of foods as your examples here. Although
    they are high in carbohydrates, we cannot gloss over the fact that
    they are also high fat items!

    Certainly... and one might conclude that Duffy had inadvertently been
    on a low-fat diet if one only looked only at those foods.

    However, some thought shows that is unlikely to be the case.
    Excluding alcohol, the primary macronutrients that provide calories
    are carbohydrates, protein and fat. If one is going to lower one's
    carb consumption, the percentages of protein and/or fat must
    increase.

    Perhaps Duffy chose to increase primarily protein foods rather than
    fat foods. Even so, given that most protein foods are also high-fat
    foods, it seems unlikely Duffy was doing a low-fat diet. Unless Duffy
    was getting protein primarily from protein powder and egg whites, it's
    very unlikely the diet was low-fat.

    Generally speaking, a low-carb diet is low in carbs, adequate in
    protein and high in fat.

    Just look at a simple salad for lunch as an example:

    A couple cups of very low-calorie vegetables topped with a TB of salad
    dressing is a high-fat dish, not because the amount of fat is huge,
    but because almost all the calories are from fat. The percentage of
    fat is high because the calories of everything except the salad
    dressing are very low.

    On the other hand, if you eat the same salad with a few whole wheat
    rolls on the side, it becomes a low-fat meal because the calories from
    the rolls raise the total calories and hence lower the percentage of
    calories from fat.

    It wouldn't have to be rolls. You could make an "unhealthy" high-fat
    salad into a "healthy" low-fat salad by adding a couple cans of Coke
    too. This example shows why measuring the "healthiness" of a diet
    based on it's macronutrient breakdown is ridiculous.

    Most people end up eating more protein and fat when they cut back on
    carbs. But even if the amount of fat you eat doesn't increase, simply
    cutting out carbs means your diet changes from a low-fat one to a high-
    fat one simply because these terms are defined in terms of
    percentages.

    On *any* diet, you can do the diet in a healthy manner or in a crappy
    manner. You could do a low-fat diet by eating primarily Snackwell
    cookies. You could do a low-carb diet by eating primarily bacon
    cheeseburgers without buns.

    For many years, my daughter was vegetarian... but because she doesn't
    like vegetables, pretty much all she ate was noodles, pasta and
    potatoes.

    Regardless of the type of diet, you can do the diet in an unhealthy
    manner if you try!

    Rather than focusing on the macronutrient breakdown, I think the most
    important factor in a healthy diet is eating a wide variety of fresh
    produce, hence fulfilling your micronutrient needs. Making the
    largest portion of one's diet fruits and vegetables (by volume)
    improves the healthiness of one's diet. Because these foods generally
    are very low-calorie, if you eat mostly fruits and vegetables, you can
    do it in a manner that is high-fat or low-fat, high-carb or low-carb,
    because fruits and veggies are lightly weighted in the total
    calories.

    In my family, my SIL has been doing a low-fat version of Weight
    Watchers for years. She and I have more in common in our diets than
    any other members of the family... because both of us eat piles of
    fresh produce. That we use different salad dressings isn't nearly as
    significant as the fact that each of us considers a huge salad with 15
    different veggies a great meal.

    Sometimes I track my own food intake for days or weeks at a time. As
    a diabetic, I not only need to limit carbs, but also limit protein to
    some extent (since protein can be converted by the body to glucose).

    My recent daily status is I eat around 50g carbs. Because most of my
    carb intake is from low-sugar fruits and non-starchy vegetables (with
    some from dairy), I get another 50g or so of fiber as well. I eat
    around 100g of protein and 100g of fat.

    Converting to calories, I get around 200 calories of non-fiber carb,
    200 calories of fiber, 400 calories of protein and 900 calories of
    fat, for a total of approximately 1700 calories. This makes my diet
    around 53% fat, hence it's a high-fat diet.

    There's no way for it not to be a high fat diet. I cannot raise
    either the carbohydrate or protein amounts and maintain decent bg
    readings. Bg control is a MUCH worse risk factor for cardiac disease
    than are cholesterol profiles - even for non-diabetics!

    Hence the only way to reduce my fat intake would be to lower my
    calories to below my maintenance needs. In other words... I'd have to
    starve to make my diet low-fat.

    As an example of what this diet looks like, this is what I ate
    yesterday:

    breakfast: protein powder shake made with 12 fl oz water, 1 cup frozen
    strawberries, 1 fl oz heavy cream, 2 scoops (2/3 cup) unflavored,
    unsweetened milk isolate protein powder

    throughout morning: several cups of coffee with a TB of heavy cream
    and a packet of Equal in each cup

    lunch: 1/10th of my standard salad mix (1 head butterhead or bibb
    lettuce, 1 head green leaf lettuce, 1 head radicchio, 3 medium
    tomatoes, 1 medium onion, 1 cucumber, 1/2 pint alfalfa sprouts) with 2
    TB ranch salad dressing and a whole avocado and 1/2 cup cantalope

    throughout afternoon: several glasses of Diet Pepsi and several
    glasses of water

    dinner: 1/4th of a hamburger/cabbage strifry recipe (whole recipe
    contains 2 lbs hamburger, 1 inch fresh ginger root, 3 cloves garlic, 1
    head cabbage, 1/2 cup soy sauce)

    throughout evening: several more glasses of water

    evening snack: 3/4 cup full fat cottage cheese and 1/2 cup watermelon
    balls

    Yesterday was a pretty good day. Some days are less healthy, with
    things a slice of leftover low-carb cheesecake for breakfast, or pizza
    made on a low-carb tortilla for dinner, or a serving of Carb Smart ice
    cream for a snack. I don't *always* choose the healthiest foods, day-
    in and day-out. Some days, you need a treat or two.

    Aside from the absolute necessity to control my bg at all times and
    the usual heavy emphasis on fresh produce, the third component I think
    is important on a diet is it being something you can live with, day-in
    and day-out, without being tempted to "cheat". For me, "blowing it"
    by binging on a regular pizza means doing organ damage... much better
    to have low-carb treats that fit into my diet on occasion.

    Those are the three things I think are most important in ANY diet, bg
    control, lots of fresh produce, and the diet being livable in the long
    term.

    Weight loss or maintenance is much less important than these three
    things with I believe have the most significant impact on health.
    After all, it does no one any good to leave a skinny corpse.

  10. Quoted message said:
    Kaz Kylheku said:

    On Jul 11, 10:37 am, Duffy <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I realized that I am one of those people that can't have a taste, one
    chip or a single cookie or a bite. Nope. Give me one tortilla chip and
    I'll eat the bag. A lick of ice cream will have me finishing off the
    carton. So it's easier to just say no. I tell people that low carb
    eating takes away the voices in my head.

    Quoted message said:

    You chose an interesting set of foods as your examples here. Although
    they are high in carbohydrates, we cannot gloss over the fact that
    they are also high fat items!

    Certainly... and one might conclude that Duffy had inadvertently been
    on a low-fat diet if one only looked only at those foods.

    One might conclude that, but I didn't.

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