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  1. When I think about slow cooking, I don't mean like
    crockpot cooking where you set it and forget it
    for several hours. I mean food that takes a long
    time, but you have to mind it (at least casually)
    the whole time.

    Yesterday, I bought a package of Chinese chives
    at the local Chinese food store. I wonder how
    they can make a profit, selling a big bunch
    of greens for only $0.87, wrapped in plastic
    over a styrofoam tray. These are similar to
    green onions, except they are flat instead of
    round in cross-section, and they have a distinctive
    garlic-like flavor.

    I chopped them finely and slow-dried them
    in my big cast iron pot on the stovetop over
    low heat. This is one of those times when
    I wish I had a food dehydrator. I stirred them
    every several minutes for a few hours to ensure
    even drying.

    I ended up with enough dried, crunchy, garlicky
    onion bits to fill up most of a Cara Mia
    artichoke hearts jar. (I recycle those;
    it's a pity they started gluing a label
    on them -- I used to buy them both for the
    artichokes and the jar, but alas no more.)

    Today, I'm doing the same thing with Thai
    chili peppers. The long-range plan is to have
    nearly full jars of both, which will be used
    under a blanket of melted chese covering
    Trader Joe's Middle Eastern Flatbread.

    The cheese varies, but it usually includes
    genuine Parmesan and dry Monterey Jack.
    Recently, I've also used an aged Manchego
    sheep's milk cheese. The Parmesean and Manchego
    both came from Whole Foods.

    There's something relaxing about spending
    a weekend afternoon tending a slow food
    while also playing on the net. It reminds me
    of how much fun it was to BBQ, back when I'd
    barbeque almost every day (even when it was
    raining). I stopped because I was concerned
    about the cancer risk from eating so much
    heavily smoked food -- though once I looked
    into the matter I found that the evidence
    for risk was rather slim, and that cured
    meats were a far more well-documented risk.

    A long cooking process also fills the indoor
    atmosphere with good flavor. There's nothing
    nicer than the aroma of food. I can't
    understand the mentality of people who buy
    artificial floral "air freshener" products.
    Especially the ones that plug in the wall
    and constantly maintain the air in that
    foul state. Genuine food is the only aroma
    I want to inhale.

    I should get back into the habit of barbequing.
    And have cats again. But this time, no
    Siamese.

  2. Mark Thorson said:


    I ended up with enough dried, crunchy, garlicky
    onion bits to fill up most of a Cara Mia
    artichoke hearts jar.  (I recycle those;
    it's a pity they started gluing a label
    on them -- I used to buy them both for the
    artichokes and the jar, but alas no more.)

    Product jars typically have the label glued, why can't you set it in
    warm water until it loosens, shouldn't be more than an hour or so.

  3. Sheldon said:


    Mark Thorson said:


    I ended up with enough dried, crunchy, garlicky
    onion bits to fill up most of a Cara Mia
    artichoke hearts jar. (I recycle those;
    it's a pity they started gluing a label
    on them -- I used to buy them both for the
    artichokes and the jar, but alas no more.)

    Product jars typically have the label glued, why can't you set it in
    warm water until it loosens, shouldn't be more than an hour or so.

    Of course, I can. And I have, when my supply
    of jars dipped a little low. But there's the
    convenience factor. (I know, in a thread about
    slow food, that seems incongruous -- I attribute
    that to resistance to a change in a product that
    I used to cherish for its convenient recyclability.)

    Actually, it's the lids which wear out before
    the jars. If I am reasonably careful (read sober),
    I can make the glass jars last almost indefinitely.
    But the lids do need replacement from time to time.
    It's the seal on the lid that goes bad.

    So now I buy the artichoke hearts both for the
    artichokes and the lids. Except that it used to be
    that I could get them on sale at good prices very
    frequently. In the last ten years or so, such sales
    have been fleeting or non-existent. We even have
    somewhat inferior Spanish production competitive
    in our markets here in California, only a few miles
    away from the Cara Mia production facilities.
    I attribute this (on the basis of no data, just
    a hunch) to exports of good quality California
    artichokes to Japan.

  4. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Mark Thorson said:


    I ended up with enough dried, crunchy, garlicky
    onion bits to fill up most of a Cara Mia
    artichoke hearts jar. (I recycle those;
    it's a pity they started gluing a label
    on them -- I used to buy them both for the
    artichokes and the jar, but alas no more.)

    Product jars typically have the label glued, why can't you set it in
    warm water until it loosens, shouldn't be more than an hour or so.

    Some of them are using a new glue that's kind of rubbery. The kind you used
    to remove with Energine. Do you have a product you know of that is like
    Energine? Can't find it around here anymore
    Janet

  5. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Mark Thorson said:


    I ended up with enough dried, crunchy, garlicky
    onion bits to fill up most of a Cara Mia
    artichoke hearts jar. (I recycle those;
    it's a pity they started gluing a label
    on them -- I used to buy them both for the
    artichokes and the jar, but alas no more.)

    Product jars typically have the label glued, why can't you set it in
    warm water until it loosens, shouldn't be more than an hour or so.
    =============
    I use a product called Goo Gone to remove stickers, grease, gum, tar,
    crayon and tape.

  6. Mark Thorson said:


    Today, I'm doing the same thing with Thai
    chili peppers. The long-range plan is to have
    nearly full jars of both, which will be used
    under a blanket of melted chese covering
    Trader Joe's Middle Eastern Flatbread.

    Ahhh! That worked out GREAT! I've now
    got a jar of Chinese chives and a jar of
    really nicely hot (to anybody else, outrageously
    hot) Thai peppers.

    I made a melted-cheese thing using nothing
    else except genuine Parmasean cheese and
    the TJ's Middle Eastern Flatbread, and it
    was GREAT! So was the second one!

    Life is sweet!

  7. Mark Thorson said:

    I chopped them finely and slow-dried them
    in my big cast iron pot on the stovetop over
    low heat. This is one of those times when
    I wish I had a food dehydrator. I stirred them
    every several minutes for a few hours to ensure
    even drying.

    I couldn't keep my stove low enough to dry anything without
    cooking it to death.

    Why not just spread them on a cookie sheet and put them in a low
    oven, tossing every 1/2-hour or so?

    -sw

  8. "pfoley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Mark Thorson said:


    I ended up with enough dried, crunchy, garlicky
    onion bits to fill up most of a Cara Mia
    artichoke hearts jar. (I recycle those;
    it's a pity they started gluing a label
    on them -- I used to buy them both for the
    artichokes and the jar, but alas no more.)

    Product jars typically have the label glued, why can't you set it in
    warm water until it loosens, shouldn't be more than an hour or so.
    =============
    I use a product called Goo Gone to remove stickers, grease, gum, tar,
    crayon and tape.


    Thanks, I'll look for it.
    Janet

  9. Steve Wertz said:


    Why not just spread them on a cookie sheet and put them
    in a low oven, tossing every 1/2-hour or so?

    That's not a bad idea. My oven was last used
    about 20 years ago, when a cheesecake overflowed
    and left a mess on the bottom. Before that,
    its use was marginal, due to failure of the
    counterweight which kept the door closed during
    baking procedures. The overflow was the last straw,
    which took the cake, so to speak. Since then,
    the flue has fallen apart, so burning off the
    cheesecake residue is not a really good solution.

    Open-air dehydration is not a bad option for
    many things. Dehydration on top of the TV set
    is also a good possibility in many households,
    especially if you have an older set. There's
    rather a lot of dust around here, so long-term
    exposure of food to open air is not really
    a good idea.

  10. Mark Thorson said:
    Steve Wertz said:


    Why not just spread them on a cookie sheet and put them
    in a low oven, tossing every 1/2-hour or so?

    That's not a bad idea. My oven was last used
    about 20 years ago, when a cheesecake overflowed
    and left a mess on the bottom.

    No oven? Even those hotel rooms I rent for my mistrtesses have
    ovens. Sheesh.

    How can you live without an oven? Granted, I use my stovetop 10x
    more than my oven, but still...

    -sw

  11. Steve Wertz said:


    How can you live without an oven? Granted, I use my stovetop
    10x more than my oven, but still...

    You can do almost everything you can do in an oven
    on a stovetop, at low heat. This is after many
    years of cooking everything with a coil immersion
    heater. :-)

  12. Mark Thorson said:

    You can do almost everything you can do in an oven
    on a stovetop, at low heat. This is after many
    years of cooking everything with a coil immersion
    heater. :-)

    You were in prison?

    -sw

  13. On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:11:01 -0700, Mark Thorson <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Yesterday, I bought a package of Chinese chives
    at the local Chinese food store.

    Quoted message said:

    I chopped them finely and slow-dried them
    in my big cast iron pot on the stovetop over
    low heat. This is one of those times when
    I wish I had a food dehydrator. I stirred them
    every several minutes for a few hours to ensure
    even drying.

    I ended up with enough dried, crunchy, garlicky
    onion bits to fill up most of a Cara Mia
    artichoke hearts jar.

    Quoted message said:

    Today, I'm doing the same thing with Thai
    chili peppers. The long-range plan is to have
    nearly full jars of both, which will be used
    under a blanket of melted chese covering
    Trader Joe's Middle Eastern Flatbread.

    There's something relaxing about spending
    a weekend afternoon tending a slow food
    while also playing on the net. It reminds me
    of how much fun it was to BBQ, back when I'd
    barbeque almost every day (even when it was
    raining).

    Quoted message said:

    Genuine food is the only aroma
    I want to inhale.

    I should get back into the habit of barbequing.
    And have cats again. But this time, no
    Siamese.

    Thanks, Mark. That was a nice post.

    What sort of contraption did you use when you barbequed? My old Black
    Diamond is about to rust away, and I'm starting to think of replacing
    it with something.
    --

    modom

    http://www.koyote.com/users/modom/home.html

  14. "Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark Thorson said:
    Steve Wertz said:


    Why not just spread them on a cookie sheet and put them
    in a low oven, tossing every 1/2-hour or so?

    That's not a bad idea. My oven was last used
    about 20 years ago, when a cheesecake overflowed
    and left a mess on the bottom.

    No oven? Even those hotel rooms I rent for my mistrtesses have
    ovens. Sheesh.

    Hey big spender. Hotel rooms with ovens? for you
    mistrtesses?

    Drunk again.

    *shaking my head*

  15. Mark Thorson said:
    Steve Wertz said:

    Why not just spread them on a cookie sheet and put them
    in a low oven, tossing every 1/2-hour or so?

    That's not a bad idea. My oven was last used
    about 20 years ago, when a cheesecake overflowed
    and left a mess on the bottom. Before that,
    its use was marginal, due to failure of the
    counterweight which kept the door closed during
    baking procedures. The overflow was the last straw,
    which took the cake, so to speak. Since then,
    the flue has fallen apart, so burning off the
    cheesecake residue is not a really good solution.

    Open-air dehydration is not a bad option for
    many things. Dehydration on top of the TV set
    is also a good possibility in many households,
    especially if you have an older set. There's
    rather a lot of dust around here, so long-term
    exposure of food to open air is not really
    a good idea.

    Or if you don't have an oven you can dry things sitting on the dashboard
    of a car, under that big ol' windshield. That area gets real hot and
    dry. You don't even need to drive the car, just face it towards the sun:-)

    Melondy

  16. cybercat said:

    Hey big spender. Hotel rooms with ovens?

    I can see you don't get out much. There are things as hotels
    with kitchens, you know. Even whole chains that specialize in
    such setups.

    Some say, "Love is blind". Apparently in your world, so is hate.

    -sw

  17. Mark Thorson said:

    When I think about slow cooking, I don't . . . . . .

    necessarily think of reeaallly slooow poooossttting, but it could
    happen.

  18. Melondy said:
    Mark Thorson said:

    Steve Wertz wrote:

    Or if you don't have an oven you can dry things sitting on the
    dashboard of a car, under that big ol' windshield. That area gets
    real hot and
    dry. You don't even need to drive the car, just face it towards the
    sun:-)

    Melondy

    My husband calls that the hillbilly microwave. :~)

    kili

  19. "kilikini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Melondy said:
    Mark Thorson said:

    Steve Wertz wrote:

    Or if you don't have an oven you can dry things sitting on the
    dashboard of a car, under that big ol' windshield. That area gets
    real hot and
    dry. You don't even need to drive the car, just face it towards the
    sun:-)

    Melondy

    My husband calls that the hillbilly microwave. :~)

    lmao!

  20. Steve Wertz said:
    cybercat said:

    Hey big spender. Hotel rooms with ovens?

    I can see you don't get out much. There are things as hotels
    with kitchens, you know. Even whole chains that specialize in
    such setups.

    Some say, "Love is blind". Apparently in your world, so is hate.

    -sw

    Exactly. When I travel cross country, those are the ones where I
    stay. Extended StayAmerica usually just has a cooktop, a microwave
    and a regular sized fridge, but I did stay in one once that had a
    regular full sized stove and oven. Same with Studio 6, which is run
    by Motel 6.

    Others chains, such as Marriott's Townhouse Suites have a full kitchen
    with a stove,oven AND a dishwasher. I really like their setup, but
    the cost is more, as you might expect.

    I find I like these for traveling, as I can fix my self something for
    dinner at the end of a day on the road. Usually I don't do anything
    elaborate, but it does save money, and I can relax in my room, and not
    have to go out to a restaurant or get takeout. I usually plan my
    trips so that I have the basics for each night's dinner with me. Plus,
    I am able to fix myself breakfast in the morning before hitting the
    road.

    Plus, I carry perishables with me when I travel (to avoid having to
    buy them once I get to my destination) and the full size fridge is
    good for chlling the stuff overnight, while the ice packs spend the
    night in the freezer.

    Christine

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