F**king Ramblers.

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At the top of Fan Brycheiniog about 50 ramblers were crowding round
the trig chatting loudly and generally making it uncomfortable to
approach for others.

Were they indeed "Ramblers", viz card-carrying members of that, er,
(dis)organisation?

Not sure. I suppose I could have kidnapped one of them, interogated
him/her at knifepoint until he/she identified herself and her party,
then dressed him/her in an orange boiler suit and beheaded him/her on
film. ...but that might be considered by some to be OTT. ...and the
papers would have distorted the story to make it look like *I* was in
the wrong.

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If so, case explained, and can you expect any better
from them?

True.

Good point. 90 per cent of the joy of hill walking would seem to
evaporate if you go in the company of 60 other people.

You started off with 50, now 60, let's quit before it gets any worse..

I have never seen a group of more than about 20 walkers.
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The Reid <[email hidden]> writes

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On 8 May 2007 01:06:25 -0700, toad <[email hidden]>

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I was pretty peeved but wondered if I was being a little intolerant -
the hills are there for everyone, why not them.

I would just say that you have your labels wrong. Some groups (most?)
are noisy. The geriatric tag is slightly offensive and I dont think
older walkers make more noise than young on average.

It's the size of the group, not the age, which raises the noise level,
and it's the same in pubs.

At 7pm, you can have a pint and a quiet conversation, then a crowd of
young 'uns come in and the first thing they do is feed money in the juke
box, or ask for the "background" music to be turned up.
Then as the pub fills up everyone has to raise their voices to be heard.

That's why I don't go in pubs in the evening, it's nice and quiet when
there are only pensioners in at lunch times. ;-)
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toad <[email hidden]> writes

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The Reid said:

The geriatric tag is slightly offensive

I come from a long line of elderly people. With luck I shall be
elderly myself at some point. Hard to see why that would be offensive.
However you are in luck.

In response to Dave F I reposted with all reference to ages removed
so you might prefer to read that version. Ages were irrelevant to the
point anyway.

No, you are correct, old people in large groups should be kept off the
hills so that the way can be cleared for those whose only purpose is to
'collect' peaks.
Nothing worse than getting old folk tangled up in your flailing walking
poles, slows you down no end. ;-)
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toad <[email hidden]> writes

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If
I say "The man in the green jumper gave me £100" I don't mean to imply
that all people in green jumpers are likely to hand me £100.

Green jumpers? I say "Green jumpers", know worra mean? <Nudge, nudge>
Say no more . . .
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toad <[email hidden]> writes

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Especially since I immediately reposted my original post with all
references to age of either party removed and in order to try and
maintain your illogical POV you have have to revert to the original
wording.

By doing so, all you confirmed was your original contempt for the "gang
of geriatric walkers".
8-(

I meet these crowds sometimes, but it makes me happy I am normally part
of an equal ability twosome, and don't have to rely on affordable
communal transport etc, which is one of the reasons for the large
groups.
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Chris Gilbert <[email hidden]> writes

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Rab C Nesbitt

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e) I live in hope that at some time I get the chance, with the right
partner, and if the body can still cope, to have a go at "F***ing
Ramblers"... - but the wife's nae so keen...

He he :-D Gordon'll be around soon to offer advice
on open-air conjugation, I'm sure.

Chris

Which verb would you like conjugating?

I ramble
You ramble
He rambles
We ramble
They ramble

I have rambled
You have rambled...

Oh bugger it....
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On Tue, 08 May 2007 17:40:59 +0100, Mike Clark <[email hidden]>

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I've supported the RA through membership fees and donations, but never
been on one of their local association organised walks. Some may join
the organisation for social activities, but many more of us probably
join it as a campaigning organisation.

same here, cant see why some people are so anti RA.

I tend to do most walking during the week, and some of these large
groups are a nuisance! The buggers are all retired.
I went on my own up to the B29 crash site on Higher Shelf Stones last
Friday, having driven through the traffic I wasn't going to turn back
when I saw the tops were in cloud. I planted another small cross
there and thought I might as well carry on to Bleaklow.

I saw two old people who had wandered over from Doctor's Gate and were
off the path, so I directed them on the best route to the B29 site
(having made sure they had map and compass).
Apart from them, I saw only three other walkers.

I'm 73, and I object most strongly to the use of "geriatric" as a
derogatory adjective. It is a medical condition, which not everyone
experiences, some die quickly much younger, under the feet of angry
ramblers. ;-)
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Graham Seed <[email hidden]> writes

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We did a spot of Hewitt bagging this weekend, enjoying some superb
scenery on and around Bannau Sir Gaer, Fan Brycheiniog, Fan Gyhirych &
Fan Nedd.

However for myself and my companion Fan Brycheiniog was slightly
spoiled by a gang of geriatric walkers.

As an aside, this post instantly demolishes Macmillan's latest attempt at
Trollism, which is fairly satisfying.

Graham

MacMillan is an amateur. :-)
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John T said:

It really [censored] me off. it was the talking, all the bloody time. I was told
off for holding up the group. I had my bins and was looking at the birds and
the wild flowers. You all have to stop at the same time. L
"lets sit down and have a cup of tea."

I went on that sort of walk with a 'Rambling' group once. All they seem
to want to do is walk from A to B chatting. No one took any notice of
their surroundings - they could have done the walk equally well in the
middle of London. There was no interest whatsoever in the scenery, flora
or fauna. I've never been again.

Jim Ford

PeterC said:

Geriatric delinquents!

(Peter, 60).

Callow youth!

(Jim, 67)

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We did a spot of Hewitt bagging this weekend, enjoying some superb
scenery on and around Bannau Sir Gaer, Fan Brycheiniog, Fan Gyhirych &
Fan Nedd.

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However for myself and my companion Fan Brycheiniog was slightly
spoiled by a gang of geriatric walkers.

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As an aside, this post instantly demolishes Macmillan's latest attempt at
Trollism, which is fairly satisfying.

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Graham

MacMillan is an amateur. :-)
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Just to make it clear - I take it you mean in comparison to our friend
Toad !

Rob

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It's the size of the group, not the age, which raises the noise level,
and it's the same in pubs.

At 7pm, you can have a pint and a quiet conversation, then a crowd of
young 'uns come in and the first thing they do is feed money in the
juke box, or ask for the "background" music to be turned up.
Then as the pub fills up everyone has to raise their voices to be
heard.

........then it's time for us to go home and have our Horlicks :-)
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> We did a spot of Hewitt bagging this weekend, enjoying some superb
> scenery on and around Bannau Sir Gaer, Fan Brycheiniog, Fan Gyhirych &
> Fan Nedd.

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> However for myself and my companion Fan Brycheiniog was slightly
> spoiled by a gang of geriatric walkers.

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As an aside, this post instantly demolishes Macmillan's latest attempt
at
Trollism, which is fairly satisfying.

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Graham

MacMillan is an amateur. :-)
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Just to make it clear - I take it you mean in comparison to our friend
Toad !

Point taken, although Toad did try to backtrack from the Geriatric comment
which was just plain abusive. I am no fan of the Ramblers and, yes, Mac's
amateurism was highlighted with his assumption that most people would be on
this ng.

Graham

You went hill walking on a sunny Bank Holiday weekend and it was busy, what
a surprise.

If you want a peaceful time on the hills, choose unpopular hills or
unpopular times or both.

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We did a spot of Hewitt bagging this weekend, enjoying some superb
scenery on and around Bannau Sir Gaer, Fan Brycheiniog, Fan Gyhirych &
Fan Nedd.

However for myself and my companion Fan Brycheiniog was slightly
spoiled by a gang of geriatric walkers.

Only thing that stopped me was the midgey things, fupping 1000's up there on
Saturday

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I think there's unwritten agreement that when you reach the top of a
'busy' hill, you have a look, get a photo if you wish, then move a few
yards away to give other people the top to themselves even if it is
just for a few seconds.

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At the top of Fan Brycheiniog about 50 ramblers were crowding round
the trig chatting loudly and generally making it uncomfortable to
approach for others. (Well not for me, I elbowed my way to the trig
and got my photo taken as is my want. Sadly surrounded by other
people's grandparents but never mind. :-) )

No one there but our party of 4 at 1pm !!

:o)

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Maybe it's my fault for going on a BH weekend.

The only large party we saw was on the dip between Fab Brycheiniog & Fan
Hir - a group of youngsters in their early 20's looking for somewhere to eat
that did not have a mouthful of midge with each bite!!

Jim Ford said:

No one took any notice of
their surroundings - they could have done the walk equally well in the
middle of London.

not at all, London walks are very intensive on the things to see per
mile basis, yes, i know that wasnt your point :-)
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Gordon H said:

No, you are correct, old people in large groups should be kept off the
hills so that the way can be cleared for those whose only purpose is to
'collect' peaks.

i must say I thought the idea of elbowing your way to the summit to
take a photo might be indicative? If I see a crowd I tend to move on.
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Gordon H said:

At 7pm, you can have a pint and a quiet conversation, then a crowd of
young 'uns come in and the first thing they do is feed money in the juke
box, or ask for the "background" music to be turned up.
Then as the pub fills up everyone has to raise their voices to be heard.

happens without musak. As you get older its hard to hear in a noisy
pub. But by 9pm I have nothing sensible to say anyway.
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PeterC said:

Geriatric delinquents!

(Peter, 60).

Callow youth!

(Jim, 67)

Thank you Sir! Did get a suspiscious look when I went for my Bus Pass and
the 15yo lass next door thought I wasn't yet 50. Probably won't use the bus
pass much, as the bicycle is fun and flexible.
going walking in the Lakes in mid-June; my (39yo) companion is on a diet,
swimming and going to the gymn as she's worried about being left behind -
but I'll be gentle with her!
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Jim Ford said:

John T said:

It really [censored] me off. it was the talking, all the bloody time. I was told
off for holding up the group. I had my bins and was looking at the birds and
the wild flowers. You all have to stop at the same time. L
"lets sit down and have a cup of tea."

I went on that sort of walk with a 'Rambling' group once. All they seem
to want to do is walk from A to B chatting. No one took any notice of
their surroundings - they could have done the walk equally well in the
middle of London. There was no interest whatsoever in the scenery, flora
or fauna. I've never been again.

At the other end of the scale: walk in Peak District with a lass who did a
degree in Botany (with Bellamy) and a doctorate in Life Sciences - like
having a walking ref. library with me.
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Peter.
If you can do it today, you didn't put off enough yesterday.