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  1. In message <[email hidden]>, Mary Fisher Irritates
    Me Frequently <[email hidden]> writes

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    Yes, well, they're bloody savages up there!! - I expect they eat them with
    slices of their black 'pudding!

    Up there? Bet it's further south to me than it is north to you. You're
    right about the savages bit though! :O)

    Quoted message said:


    (or is .Black Pudding' now banned up there in the interests of racial
    harmony - 'Non Ethnic Specific Pudding', perhaps?)

    LOL
    --
    Devs
    "Punchdown Pete the old Kroner"

  2. In message <[email hidden]>, Mary Fisher Irritates
    Me Frequently <[email hidden]> writes

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    "Huge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Mary Fisher Irritates Me Frequently said:

    Oh yes, I know where it is (vaguely) it's shown on my road atlas as part
    of
    a mysterious area north of Slough that's roughly sketched with
    illustrations
    of mythical animals and wode-daubed

    Woad. You're welcome.

    Nah, bless yer, Guv! - a woad is what we drive on.


    "Dwive" shurely Mish?
    --
    Devs
    "Punchdown Pete the old Kroner"

  3. "Bill Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Huge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I never intend to have it again.

    I intend never to have it again.

    Ah well, Good intentions etc.....

  4. "gentlegreen" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    "Ken Ward" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Huge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On 2007-06-04, Ken Ward <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> Yup. Pike ... certainly edible

    Only if you like eating nylong pan scrubbers. Pike is *vile*.

    It seem you have never had one prepared correctly. Wild Pike is far
    superior to Supermarket Rainbow Trout.

    The curious thing is that on my local club waters, one is allowed to take
    a
    couple of trout or a couple of pike - but no other species ... in
    Australia,
    where the Perch is an introduced species, "redfins" are regarded by some
    as
    comparing very favourably with sea fish.

    I'm guessing any freshwater fish for sale in the UK would have come from
    the
    Baltic.

    I know from many (over 20) years ago they used to come from Langorse Lake in
    Wales and Irish Loughs amongst other venues.
    I don't know about the current supplies.

    KW

  5. "Mary Fisher Irritates Me Frequently" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    "Ken Ward" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mary Fisher Irritates Me Frequently" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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    > Bolton Fish Market normally has Bream and Roach on sale but, I would
    > recommend "Steamed Pike" as a personal favourite.

    Yes, well, they're bloody savages up there!! - I expect they eat them
    with slices of their black 'pudding!

    (or is .Black Pudding' now banned up there in the interests of racial
    harmony - 'Non Ethnic Specific Pudding', perhaps?)

    Well, if you know nowt else we have to be thankful you know where it is.

    Oh yes, I know where it is (vaguely) it's shown on my road atlas as part
    of a mysterious area north of Slough that's roughly sketched with
    illustrations of mythical animals and wode-daubed tribesmen, and marked,
    'There Be Beasts' (I assume that's a reference to the tribesmen and not
    the winged creatures)

    As for the Sat-Nav - that just refuses point blank to go anywhere near
    there.

    The "Tom Tom" on my phone got me to the Stoop at Twickenham on Saturday and
    thankfully, back home again.

    KW

  6. "Devs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In message <[email hidden]>, Mary Fisher Irritates Me
    Frequently <[email hidden]> writes

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    "Huge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On 2007-06-04, Mary Fisher Irritates Me Frequently
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Oh yes, I know where it is (vaguely) it's shown on my road atlas as
    > part
    > of
    > a mysterious area north of Slough that's roughly sketched with
    > illustrations
    > of mythical animals and wode-daubed

    Woad. You're welcome.

    Nah, bless yer, Guv! - a woad is what we drive on.


    "Dwive" shurely Mish?

    Here Lil'... that 'll do for my Wippet!

    KW

  7. "Devs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In message <[email hidden]>, Mary Fisher Irritates Me
    Frequently <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, well, they're bloody savages up there!! - I expect they eat them with
    slices of their black 'pudding!

    Up there? Bet it's further south to me than it is north to you. You're
    right about the savages bit though! :O)

    Quoted message said:


    (or is .Black Pudding' now banned up there in the interests of racial
    harmony - 'Non Ethnic Specific Pudding', perhaps?)

    LOL

    Further research indicates that the infamous northern delicacy has, indeed,
    been renamed Haemoglobin Pudding, following the 2005 riots at Morrison's
    Oswaldtwistle branch, where an estimated crowd of 47000 members of the
    town's ethic community burned the store to the ground after being
    maliciously informed that 'black pudding' was made from Congolese orphans
    specially imported for that purpose.

    The ensuing public enquiry laid the blame for the riot firmly at the door of
    Oswaldwhistle's small white minority community and also made recommendations
    deigned to promote racial tolerance throughout Yorkshire and Lancashire -
    including the eradication of offensive town names, such as Blackburn, and
    the immediate proscription of the Black Dyke Mills brass band for stubbornly
    refusing to embrace diversity by abandoning a name that, to quote enquiry
    chairperson, Lord Haight-Britton, "Is a source of alarm and grave offence to
    all people of colour and homosexual women"

    Serves 'em right, that's what I say.

  8. The Natural Philosopher said:
    Paul O'Grady said:
    Ian said:

    WHAT IS ANGLING?<

    Quoted message said:

    fish experience fear, stress and pain<
    when removed from water <

    Don't tell the Dolphins! You'll spoil all their fun.

    How does anyone know what they experience? They can't talk, and if they
    did, they might be lying.

    Don't be daft - everyone knows they're happy all the time: you can tell
    because they're always smiling.

    David

  9. Bill Grey said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Ian
    <[email hidden]> writes

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    WHAT IS ANGLING?

    http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/EDUCATION/resources/ALL/1372//
    Angling . or fishing . is a sport¯ that involves using a baited hook
    on the end of a line to catch fish, who are then reeled in by a rod.
    Far from being . as it is made out to be . a gentle pastime that
    connects people to nature and encourages conservation of rivers and
    lakes, it causes suffering not only to individual fish, but
    also to birds and other wildlife.

    Go away - you're in the wrong NG as far as fishing is concerned.

    Abuse of animals concerns us all surely! Perhaps you wish us to turn a
    blind eye?

    Quoted message said:


    I do fish for trout, but only fish for what I want to eat. I am not in
    favour of catch and release fishing but kill what I catch for my needs.

    Big deal, it's still cruel. You wouldn't get away with catching deer
    like that!

  10. Ian said:

    WHAT IS ANGLING?

    Something the odd, very ODD [censored] does against something that is
    unable to fight back. If these jerk offs want fun killing, why not
    volunteer for a tour in Iraq!

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/EDUCATION/resources/ALL/1372//
    Angling . or fishing . is a sport¯ that involves using a baited hook
    on the end of a line to catch fish, who are then reeled in by a rod.
    Far from being . as it is made out to be . a gentle pastime that
    connects people to nature and encourages conservation of rivers and
    lakes, it causes suffering not only to individual fish, but
    also to birds and other wildlife.

    Coarse angling is the capture of freshwater fish from
    rivers and streams, such as pike, bream, rudd and tench.
    These fish are inedible, so they are caught just for ¡®fun¡¯
    and will often be thrown back into the water. However,
    this does not mean that they do not suffer, and a large
    number die during or shortly after being caught, from
    stress or injury. Coarse anglers have to buy a rod licence,
    and, as it is cheaper than game fishing and easier to
    hook a fish in a river or lake, it is the most popular form
    of the sport.

    Game angling involves the capturing and killing of fish
    who are considered edible, such as sea trout, salmon
    and grayling. Game anglers pay large amounts of money
    for a licence to practise their ¡®sport¡¯. This gives them
    access to game fisheries, which are rivers or lakes that are
    purposely kept stocked with fish. Birds such as cormorants,
    herons, owls and kingfishers, and mammals, such as,
    otters, who are natural predators of the fish, are ruthlessly
    killed in order to preserve the fish for the anglers.

    Sea angling requires no licence and takes place on
    beaches, rocks, piers and boats. As with game angling,
    most fish caught in this way are killed and then eaten.
    Examples of sea fish include eel, shark, bass and plaice.
    It is a common myth that fish can¡¯t feel pain, but there is
    plenty of research proving that they can! The government
    advisory body, the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC),
    acknowledges that fish experience fear, stress and pain
    when removed from water, and that the physiological
    mechanisms in fish for experiencing pain are very similar
    to those in mammals.

    An RSPCA-sponsored report
    concluded that all vertebrates . including fish . experience
    similar sensations in response to painful stimuli. In pain
    sensitivity experiments performed at Edinburgh¡¯s Roslin
    Institute, fish had toxin and acid injected into their lips.
    They exhibited ¡®rocking¡¯ motion, similar to the way higher
    vertebrates . such as people . rock to comfort themselves.
    They also rubbed their lips against the tank walls and gravel,
    and took three times longer than normal to resume feeding.

    ¡®Anatomically, physiologically and biologically the
    pain system in fish is virtually the same as in birds
    and animals.¡¯ Dr Donald Broom, a scientific advisor to
    the British government

    Nor do fish only have three-second memories! Fish can
    perform complex mental tasks, such as mapping out
    obstacles in their tanks. And in other tests, spotted
    rainbowfish remembered how to escape from a net in
    their tank 11 months after initially working it out.

    Imagine biting into a delicious apple, and then feeling
    your lip being pierced by a hook. The hook pulls on your
    lip and all of a sudden you¡¯re yanked violently forward
    and dragged along the ground. This is similar to what
    happens when anglers catch fish! When hooked fish
    are dragged out of the water into the air, they cannot
    breathe, and they begin to suffocate . just as you
    would if you were dragged underwater and held there.
    The hooks are often covered in little spikes called barbs.
    Sometimes fish swallow the hook entirely, and the barbs
    can cause serious injury to their internal organs, usually
    resulting in a painful death.

    Fish have a mucous layer over their scales to keep them
    waterproof and protect them from infection. When they
    are handled, this layer is damaged and they are left
    highly susceptible to disease when they are put back
    into the water. So they may not die immediately, but
    there is a high chance that they will soon afterwards.
    Coarse anglers who do not intend to eat the fish that
    they have caught will remove the hook from the fish¡¯s
    mouth and then put the fish in a keepnet. This net keeps
    them captive under the water until the angler has counted
    his catch at the end of the fishing session. Keepnets are
    often a cause of disease, distress and death because of
    overcrowding and lack of oxygen in the water within the
    net.

    Researchers at the Oklahoma Department of
    Wildlife Conservation found that up to 43% of fish
    released after being caught died within six days.
    Live maggots skewered onto the hook are the
    commonest form of bait, athough small fish are
    sometimes used to catch larger fish. This is known as
    ¡®live-baiting¡¯. The small fish are impaled live onto the
    hook. They swim around until they are eaten by a
    predator (the bigger fish the angler is interested in
    catching) or until they die from their injuries.
    The nylon line used for angling is non-biodegradable,
    which means it does not rot away. Often it becomes
    tangled in trees or other vegetation, so it is cut and left
    on riverbanks, where it is a great threat to wildlife. Birds
    and ducks in particular are at risk and frequently become
    fatally trapped in the discarded line. Many swans have
    been found with anglers¡¯ hooks embedded in their
    throats and stomachs from swallowing discarded lines
    with hooks still attached.
    A close season (when anglers should not go fishing)
    runs from 15 March to 15 June, although regulations
    vary in different regions of the country. The close
    season is supposed to be a time to allow fish a break
    during their spawning season, though it has been
    scrapped on all still waters (ponds, lakes and
    reservoirs) since 1995.

    Killing wildlife
    Fish are cold-blooded, salt or freshwater-dwelling
    animals. They have a brain, a backbone, a skeleton,
    a nervous system and pain receptors all over their
    bodies. They breathe oxygen from the water
    through their gills. Fish are cold-blooded because,
    unlike mammals, their blood temperature fluctuates
    with the temperature of the surrounding water.
    This allows them to survive as the temperature of
    the water changes with the seasons.

    FISH FACTS
    Things anglers say:

    " People who go fishing help to conserve the fish
    and their habitats"

    It is true that there are some
    anglers who monitor the quality of the rivers, and clear
    up after themselves. Sadly, however, they are outnumbered
    by those who dont bother to get involved in conservation,
    and who leave litter around that is hazardous
    to wildlife. And how can you argue you are conserving
    fish if your hobby involves killing them?

    "We should be encouraging young people to take
    up fishing as it helps to teach them about nature"

    Contemptible people, usually unemployable bums who enjoy looking like
    garden gnomes, and about as active as one!

    Quoted message said:

    By going fishing, young people are hardly learning to
    appreciate nature. Rather, they are learning that it is
    OK to kill defenceless animals for fun! There are lots
    of other outdoor hobbies and pursuits that can be
    followed instead, such as bird spotting, visiting nature
    reserves, helping at an animal sanctuary, or getting
    involved in practical conservation work with the
    British Trust for Conservation Volunteers (BTCV).
    See www.btcv.org or phone 01302 572244.

    Quoted message said:

    HOW CAN I HELP?

    Write to your local newspaper informing people about the cruelty of
    angling.

    Animal Aid can give you tips and advice.

    Have a look at the Pisces website (the youth section of the Campaign
    for the
    Abolition of Angling) at www.pisces.demon.co.uk. Perhaps you could
    distribute their angling leaflets at school or put one of their
    posters up in your local library?

    Join Animal Aids youth group, Youth4Animals, and help campaign
    against angling
    .
    . Order our anti-angling poster and stickers.

    For more information on animal issues please contact: Animal Aid, The
    Old Chapel, Bradford St, Tonbridge, TN9 1AW
    Tel: 01732 364546 ¡Ü www.animalaid.org.uk ¡Ü www.youth4animals.com ¡Ü
    email: [email hidden]

  11. "Mike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Ian said:

    WHAT IS ANGLING?

    Something the odd, very ODD [censored] does against something that is
    unable to fight back. If these jerk offs want fun killing, why not
    volunteer for a tour in Iraq!

    Some people might conclude that Iraqi women and children are even less
    capable of fighting back than a fish.

    Saucepans are no match for depleted uranium shells.

  12. "Ian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    WHAT IS ANGLING?

    Instead of prattling on about fish that spawn frequently and are numbered in
    their masses,go and do some real investigation and saving of wildlife...for
    instance the silverback ape is near to distinction and is killed for the
    sake of a few $$ for its hands,feet ect and then there's the elephant and
    the rhino ect ect.
    These animals have few young ones per lifetime.

    Sheeesh!

  13. "George" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Ian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    WHAT IS ANGLING?

    Instead of prattling on about fish that spawn frequently and are numbered


    in

    Quoted message said:

    their masses,go and do some real investigation and saving of


    wildlife...for

    Quoted message said:

    instance the silverback ape is near to distinction and is killed for the
    sake of a few $$ for its hands,feet ect and then there's the elephant and
    the rhino ect ect.
    These animals have few young ones per lifetime.

    Sheeesh!

    lol 'distinction' ahem extinction sorry. :0)

  14. In message <[email hidden]>, Mike
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Something the odd, very ODD [censored] does against something that is
    unable to fight back. If these jerk offs want fun killing, why not
    volunteer for a tour in Iraq!

    Done that. In fact quite a few of my pals out there were anglers. Next!
    --
    Devs
    "Punchdown Pete the old Kroner"

  15. "Mary Fisher Irritates Me Frequently" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Further research indicates that the infamous northern delicacy has,
    indeed, been renamed Haemoglobin Pudding, following the 2005 riots at
    Morrison's Oswaldtwistle branch, where an estimated crowd of 47000
    members of the town's ethic community burned the store to the ground after
    being maliciously informed that 'black pudding' was made from Congolese
    orphans specially imported for that purpose.

    The ensuing public enquiry laid the blame for the riot firmly at the door
    of Oswaldwhistle's small white minority community and also made
    recommendations deigned to promote racial tolerance throughout Yorkshire
    and Lancashire - including the eradication of offensive town names, such
    as Blackburn, and the immediate proscription of the Black Dyke Mills brass
    band for stubbornly refusing to embrace diversity by abandoning a name
    that, to quote enquiry chairperson, Lord Haight-Britton, "Is a source of
    alarm and grave offence to all people of colour and homosexual women"

    Serves 'em right, that's what I say.

    I'll borrow that if you don't mind!

    Bill

  16. Huge said:
    Ken Ward said:


    "Huge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On 2007-06-04, Ken Ward <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> Yup. Pike ... certainly edible

    Only if you like eating nylong pan scrubbers. Pike is *vile*.

    It seem you have never had one prepared correctly.

    I've only ever had it once, in a Michelin 3-star restaurant in
    Epernay.

    It was vile.

    I never intend to have it again.

    I had pike for the first time this year, in a no starred little restaurant
    in Bargemon.

    It was in a wonderful in a creamy white wine sauce, and the fish was caught
    that morning.

    Enjoyed it, but can't say I'd order it if there was nowt else on the menu
    that took my eye.

    --
    Cheerz - Brownz
    http://www.brownz.org/

  17. George said:

    "George" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Ian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    WHAT IS ANGLING?


    Instead of prattling on about fish that spawn frequently and are
    numbered


    in

    Quoted message said:

    their masses,go and do some real investigation and saving of


    wildlife...for

    Quoted message said:

    instance the silverback ape is near to distinction and is killed for
    the sake of a few $$ for its hands,feet ect and then there's the
    elephant and the rhino ect ect.
    These animals have few young ones per lifetime.

    Sheeesh!


    lol 'distinction' ahem extinction sorry. :0)

    ===================================
    While you're in apologetic mood.....

    It's not 'ect' but 'etc' which is an abbreviation of two Latin words, 'et
    cetera'. It's usually used with a full stop to indicate that it's an
    abbreviation, thus: 'etc.'

    Cic.
    --
    ===================================
    Using Ubuntu Linux
    Windows shown the door
    ===================================

  18. On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:39:59 +0100, Mike <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Ian said:

    WHAT IS ANGLING?

    Something the odd, very ODD [censored] does against something that is
    unable to fight back. If these jerk offs want fun killing, why not
    volunteer for a tour in Iraq!


    The fish wouldn't come along.

    --

    de groeten van Martin

    http://route1.nl
    http://home.planet.nl/~usa/
    http://route1.nl/grandcanyon2007/

  19. "Cicero" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:08:54 +0000, George wrote:
    ===================================
    While you're in apologetic mood.....

    It's not 'ect' but 'etc' which is an abbreviation of two Latin words, 'et
    cetera'. It's usually used with a full stop to indicate that it's an
    abbreviation, thus: 'etc.'

    No, this is wrong. 'Ect' is an abbreviation of 'ectoplasm', which has a
    Latin root meaning 'things outside our experience'. This meaning evolved to
    become 'all other things'. 'Etc' is just a mis-spelling. I thought everyone
    knew that.

    Bill

  20. "Bill Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Huge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I never intend to have it again.

    I intend never to have it again.

    Bill


    That makes two of you...........

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