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  1. The RSPB claim they benefit the Islay economy because their bird
    reserve attracts thousands of visitors.

    They also say of global warming that "cooking our planet will disrupt
    and devastate all life" which must include all birds.

    They claim to be a conservation organisation which cannot be true if
    they're reserves are encouraging thousands to travel to Islay.

    So which is it, Malcolm?

    Are they lying about the benefit their reserves have to the Islay
    economy or are they lying about being conservationists and
    contributing to disruption and devastation of all birds?

    They can't have it both ways.
    Angus Macmillan
    www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
    www.killhunting.org
    www.con-servation.org.uk

    All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
    -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

  2. Quoted message said:

    They claim to be a conservation organisation which cannot be true if
    they're reserves are encouraging thousands to travel to Islay.

    Normal people like to travel occasionally. (If you know any normal
    people -seems unlikely- maybe you could ask somebody.)

    Most of them have limited time and funds for recreational travel. In terms
    of greenhouse gas emissions, encouraging domestic tourists to visit
    attractions within the UK (and therefore to travel mostly overland) is
    entirely a positive thing if a fairly small proportion of them chose to do
    so in preference to taking a short haul flight abroad.

    Its bleedin' obvious, innit.

  3. Quoted message said:

    All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
    -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

    Global warming sceptics are currently suffering from the First and
    Second.

    Soon GW will be seen for what it is and the scepticism will be
    accepted as the self evident truth.

    Nice One!

    MBQ

  4. In message <[email hidden]>,
    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
    -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

    Global warming sceptics are currently suffering from the First and
    Second.

    You mean that the "sceptics" are trying ridicule and violent opposition
    because they lack reasoned arguments against a significant anthropogenic
    contribution to the global warming trend of the last 50 or so years?

    Quoted message said:


    Soon GW will be seen for what it is and the scepticism will be
    accepted as the self evident truth.

    Nice One!

    It's not obvious that Angus supports your position on anthropogenic
    global warming.

    Quoted message said:


    MBQ

    --
    Stewart Robert Hinsley

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes

    Quoted message said:

    The RSPB claim they benefit the Islay economy because their bird
    reserve attracts thousands of visitors.

    They also say of global warming that "cooking our planet will disrupt
    and devastate all life" which must include all birds.

    They claim to be a conservation organisation which cannot be true if
    they're reserves are encouraging thousands to travel to Islay.

    So which is it, Malcolm?

    Are they lying about the benefit their reserves have to the Islay
    economy or are they lying about being conservationists and
    contributing to disruption and devastation of all birds?

    They can't have it both ways.

    You've already made this claim in another ng. As I said there, if you
    have an issue with the RSPB - which you clearly do considering the
    long-running vendetta you have been waging against them and other
    conservation organisations - address your problem to them.

    Alternatively, try writing about a subject you actually know something
    about, because bird reserves certainly isn't one, bearing in mind that
    you have admitted that you have never actually entered a reserve

    --
    Malcolm

  6. Stewart Robert Hinsley said:

    In message <[email hidden]>,
    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
    -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

    Quoted message said:

    Global warming sceptics are currently suffering from the First and
    Second.

    You mean that the "sceptics" are trying ridicule and violent opposition
    because they lack reasoned arguments against a significant anthropogenic
    contribution to the global warming trend of the last 50 or so years?

    No, I mean, as I suspect you well know, that the sceptics are
    ridiculed and suffer at least threats of violence in some cases.

    MBQ

  7. In message <[email hidden]>,
    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Stewart Robert Hinsley said:

    In message <[email hidden]>,
    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    On Jun 12, 8:31 am, [email hidden] wrote:
    > All truth passes through three stages:
    > First, it is ridiculed;
    > Second, it is violently opposed; and
    > Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
    > -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

    Quoted message said:

    Global warming sceptics are currently suffering from the First and
    Second.

    You mean that the "sceptics" are trying ridicule and violent opposition
    because they lack reasoned arguments against a significant anthropogenic
    contribution to the global warming trend of the last 50 or so years?

    No, I mean, as I suspect you well know, that the sceptics are
    ridiculed and suffer at least threats of violence in some cases.

    MBQ


    And I was pointing out obliquely, as I hope you were capable of
    recognising, that "sceptics" are at least as guilty of resorting to
    ridicule and other forms of ad-hominem. (With respect to violent
    opposition, the quotation above is not referring to physical violence;
    in the sense of the quote the "sceptics" are, IMO, much the greater
    culprits. I've read of one report of a threat of physical violence
    against a genuine skeptic.)
    --
    Stewart Robert Hinsley

  8. The message <[email hidden]>
    from Stewart Robert Hinsley <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Global warming sceptics are currently suffering from the First and
    Second.

    Most global warming skeptics are suffering from a severe case of non
    science and, in many cases, an ostrich approach to global warming as
    well. The recent channel 4 program struck me as being about as fair and
    balanced as B.Liar's initial justification for invading Iraq.

    Quoted message said:

    You mean that the "sceptics" are trying ridicule and violent opposition
    because they lack reasoned arguments against a significant anthropogenic
    contribution to the global warming trend of the last 50 or so years?

    I haven't got round to following it up yet but there was a recent report
    that a scientist at the Cavendish Laboratory claims that the just 15% of
    the CO2 currently in the atmosphere is all that is required to capture
    all the IR in the main absorption band being reflected from the Earth's
    surface. If that is right I can't see how wasting money restricting CO2
    output is going to help prevent further warming.

    Global warming is a fact whether it is manmade or natural and something
    needs to be done if the natural trend doesn't reverse very soon but
    concentrating on a convenient red herring is just what one would expect
    from a bunch of politicians many of whom have degrees in the art of
    lying convincingly (ie are lawyers) and none of whom (AFAIK) have any
    scientific background whatsoever.

    Having written the above I thought I had better see if I can find some
    trace on the Internet to back up my memory and came across the piece
    reproduced below that almost matches the report that originally drew my
    attention to the problem. The source for the report is a website called
    Eureka.

    "Global Warming: is CO2 the real culprit? 01/09/2005

    A retired scientist, but one who should definitely know what he is
    talking about, is questioning whether global warming is due to increased
    carbon dioxide, or caused by other human induced effects.

    F James Cripwell now lives in Ottawa, Canada but started his scientific
    career working in the Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge under Sir Gordon
    Sutherland, the UK's if not the world's leading expert in infra red
    spectroscopy and the various interactions between infra red (heat)
    radiation and other substances.

    Global warming is undoubtedly caused by visible light falling on the
    earth's surface, which is re-radiated into the atmosphere, but is
    increasingly being trapped there, undoubtedly as a result of increased
    human activity. However, there is no complete agreement as to which
    human activity or activities are mainly to blame.

    The culprit most widely considered to be responsible is carbon dioxide
    but Jim Cripwell writes, "Assuming the earth is at 290 deg Kelvin,
    Wien's law shows that the maximum radiation is emitted at 10 microns.
    Water has a massive infrared absorption band centered on 8.5 microns,
    and in sufficient quantities that can exist in the atmosphere, absorbs
    all the radiation in a band from about 7 to 11 microns, accounting for
    about 70 per cent of the radiation. By contrast, carbon dioxide and
    methane have a very few intense, narrow absorption bands in this part of
    the spectrum. Those for carbon dioxide are at about 4 and 14 microns.
    However, the carbon dioxide absorptions are so intense that all the
    radiation that it is ever going to absorb is done by about 15 per cent
    of the atmosphere. So adding more carbon dioxide cannot increase its
    greenhouse effectiveness. The same is true of methane, except that the
    concentrations of methane in the atmosphere may be too low for it to
    have reached its maximum." (According to the US EPA, methane is
    considered to have a 100 year global warming potential about 21 times as
    great as that of carbon dioxide, but that is mainly because once it gets
    into the atmosphere, it tends to stay there). Jim Cripwell continues,
    "Whatever is causing warming, it is not an increase in levels of carbon
    dioxide. A more plausible theory is that it is water put into high
    altitudes by aircraft; this would have roughly the same time line."

    That last sentence is telling (if true) but I can't see our Government
    taking any notice of it when they are already hell-bent on expanding air
    travel regardless of its CO2 output.

    --
    Roger Chapman
    Nearest Marilyn still to be visited - Great Orme.
    89 miles as the crow flies,
    considerably more as the walker drives.

  9. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:17:12 +0100, Sean <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They claim to be a conservation organisation which cannot be true if
    they're reserves are encouraging thousands to travel to Islay.

    Normal people like to travel occasionally. (If you know any normal
    people -seems unlikely- maybe you could ask somebody.)

    I've no objection to people travelling. But they should not be
    "encouraged" to do so by those who claim to be "conservationists" -
    that's for the tourist boards to do.

    Conservationists who encourage travel are fakes.

    Quoted message said:

    Most of them have limited time and funds for recreational travel. In terms
    of greenhouse gas emissions, encouraging domestic tourists to visit
    attractions within the UK (and therefore to travel mostly overland) is
    entirely a positive thing if a fairly small proportion of them chose to do
    so in preference to taking a short haul flight abroad.

    Its bleedin' obvious, innit.

    It's "bleedin' obvious that encouraging tourist to visit Islay is not
    "conservation".

    Angus Macmillan
    www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
    www.killhunting.org
    www.con-servation.org.uk

    All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
    -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

  10. Malcolm said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes

    Quoted message said:

    The RSPB claim they benefit the Islay economy because their bird
    reserve attracts thousands of visitors.

    They also say of global warming that "cooking our planet will disrupt
    and devastate all life" which must include all birds.

    They claim to be a conservation organisation which cannot be true if
    they're reserves are encouraging thousands to travel to Islay.

    So which is it, Malcolm?

    Are they lying about the benefit their reserves have to the Islay
    economy or are they lying about being conservationists and
    contributing to disruption and devastation of all birds?

    They can't have it both ways.

    You've already made this claim in another ng. As I said there, if you
    have an issue with the RSPB - which you clearly do considering the
    long-running vendetta you have been waging against them and other
    conservation organisations - address your problem to them.

    So you think encouraging thousands of tourists to travel to Islay is
    conservation?

    Quoted message said:


    Alternatively, try writing about a subject you actually know something
    about, because bird reserves certainly isn't one, bearing in mind that
    you have admitted that you have never actually entered a reserve

    It's pretty obvious you're stuck for an answer, Malcolm.

    Angus Macmillan
    www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
    www.killhunting.org
    www.con-servation.org.uk

    All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
    -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes

    Quoted message said:
    Malcolm said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes

    Quoted message said:

    The RSPB claim they benefit the Islay economy because their bird
    reserve attracts thousands of visitors.

    They also say of global warming that "cooking our planet will disrupt
    and devastate all life" which must include all birds.

    They claim to be a conservation organisation which cannot be true if
    they're reserves are encouraging thousands to travel to Islay.

    So which is it, Malcolm?

    Are they lying about the benefit their reserves have to the Islay
    economy or are they lying about being conservationists and
    contributing to disruption and devastation of all birds?

    They can't have it both ways.

    You've already made this claim in another ng. As I said there, if you
    have an issue with the RSPB - which you clearly do considering the
    long-running vendetta you have been waging against them and other
    conservation organisations - address your problem to them.

    So you think encouraging thousands of tourists to travel to Islay is
    conservation?

    Quoted message said:


    Alternatively, try writing about a subject you actually know something
    about, because bird reserves certainly isn't one, bearing in mind that
    you have admitted that you have never actually entered a reserve

    It's pretty obvious you're stuck for an answer, Malcolm.


    No, Angus, it is increasingly obvious that you are just stuck. You have
    been carrying on your vendetta against conservation organisations and
    conservationists for over six years now and have nothing to show for it.
    So all you can do is to dream up ever more weird scenarios and pose your
    silly questions.

    If you were the slightest bit interested in or knowledgeable about
    conservation, people might, occasionally, take you seriously, but as you
    frequently boast of not being a conservationist, and equally frequently
    demonstrate your appalling (after all these years) lack of knowledge of
    the subject, all that anyone can do is ignore you or laugh at you and
    your Range Rover :-)

    --
    Malcolm

  12. Malcolm said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes

    Quoted message said:
    Malcolm said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes
    >The RSPB claim they benefit the Islay economy because their bird
    >reserve attracts thousands of visitors.
    >
    >They also say of global warming that "cooking our planet will disrupt
    >and devastate all life" which must include all birds.
    >
    >They claim to be a conservation organisation which cannot be true if
    >they're reserves are encouraging thousands to travel to Islay.
    >
    >So which is it, Malcolm?
    >
    >Are they lying about the benefit their reserves have to the Islay
    >economy or are they lying about being conservationists and
    >contributing to disruption and devastation of all birds?
    >
    >They can't have it both ways.

    You've already made this claim in another ng. As I said there, if you
    have an issue with the RSPB - which you clearly do considering the
    long-running vendetta you have been waging against them and other
    conservation organisations - address your problem to them.

    So you think encouraging thousands of tourists to travel to Islay is
    conservation?

    Quoted message said:


    Alternatively, try writing about a subject you actually know something
    about, because bird reserves certainly isn't one, bearing in mind that
    you have admitted that you have never actually entered a reserve

    It's pretty obvious you're stuck for an answer, Malcolm.


    No, Angus, it is increasingly obvious that you are just stuck. You have
    been carrying on your vendetta against conservation organisations and
    conservationists for over six years now and have nothing to show for it.
    So all you can do is to dream up ever more weird scenarios and pose your
    silly questions.

    If you were the slightest bit interested in or knowledgeable about
    conservation, people might, occasionally, take you seriously, but as you
    frequently boast of not being a conservationist, and equally frequently
    demonstrate your appalling (after all these years) lack of knowledge of
    the subject, all that anyone can do is ignore you or laugh at you and
    your Range Rover :-)

    I see, Malcolm. True to form.

    When you can't hack the question, attack the questioner :-))

    Angus Macmillan
    www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
    www.killhunting.org
    www.con-servation.org.uk

    All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
    -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes

    Quoted message said:
    Malcolm said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:02:04 +0100, Malcolm
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >
    >In article <[email hidden]>,
    >[email hidden] writes
    >>The RSPB claim they benefit the Islay economy because their bird
    >>reserve attracts thousands of visitors.
    >>
    >>They also say of global warming that "cooking our planet will disrupt
    >>and devastate all life" which must include all birds.
    >>
    >>They claim to be a conservation organisation which cannot be true if
    >>they're reserves are encouraging thousands to travel to Islay.
    >>
    >>So which is it, Malcolm?
    >>
    >>Are they lying about the benefit their reserves have to the Islay
    >>economy or are they lying about being conservationists and
    >>contributing to disruption and devastation of all birds?
    >>
    >>They can't have it both ways.
    >
    >You've already made this claim in another ng. As I said there, if you
    >have an issue with the RSPB - which you clearly do considering the
    >long-running vendetta you have been waging against them and other
    >conservation organisations - address your problem to them.

    So you think encouraging thousands of tourists to travel to Islay is
    conservation?

    >
    >Alternatively, try writing about a subject you actually know something
    >about, because bird reserves certainly isn't one, bearing in mind that
    >you have admitted that you have never actually entered a reserve

    It's pretty obvious you're stuck for an answer, Malcolm.


    No, Angus, it is increasingly obvious that you are just stuck. You have
    been carrying on your vendetta against conservation organisations and
    conservationists for over six years now and have nothing to show for it.
    So all you can do is to dream up ever more weird scenarios and pose your
    silly questions.

    If you were the slightest bit interested in or knowledgeable about
    conservation, people might, occasionally, take you seriously, but as you
    frequently boast of not being a conservationist, and equally frequently
    demonstrate your appalling (after all these years) lack of knowledge of
    the subject, all that anyone can do is ignore you or laugh at you and
    your Range Rover :-)

    I see, Malcolm. True to form.

    When you can't hack the question, attack the questioner :-))


    Well, you're certainly not the "questioner". You made a statement about
    the RSPB based on alternative claims of them lying. If you have an issue
    with the RSPB take it up with them. In the meantime, I note that you
    haven't denied that you have nothing to show for your vendetta of six
    years and more and that you will continue to claim that you are not a
    conservationist and that you will continue to drive your Range Rover,
    one of the worst cars for CO2 emissions.

    --
    Malcolm

  14. Malcolm said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes

    Quoted message said:
    Malcolm said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes
    >On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:02:04 +0100, Malcolm
    ><[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>In article <[email hidden]>,
    >>[email hidden] writes
    >>>The RSPB claim they benefit the Islay economy because their bird
    >>>reserve attracts thousands of visitors.
    >>>
    >>>They also say of global warming that "cooking our planet will disrupt
    >>>and devastate all life" which must include all birds.
    >>>
    >>>They claim to be a conservation organisation which cannot be true if
    >>>they're reserves are encouraging thousands to travel to Islay.
    >>>
    >>>So which is it, Malcolm?
    >>>
    >>>Are they lying about the benefit their reserves have to the Islay
    >>>economy or are they lying about being conservationists and
    >>>contributing to disruption and devastation of all birds?
    >>>
    >>>They can't have it both ways.
    >>
    >>You've already made this claim in another ng. As I said there, if you
    >>have an issue with the RSPB - which you clearly do considering the
    >>long-running vendetta you have been waging against them and other
    >>conservation organisations - address your problem to them.
    >
    >So you think encouraging thousands of tourists to travel to Islay is
    >conservation?
    >
    >>
    >>Alternatively, try writing about a subject you actually know something
    >>about, because bird reserves certainly isn't one, bearing in mind that
    >>you have admitted that you have never actually entered a reserve
    >
    >
    >It's pretty obvious you're stuck for an answer, Malcolm.
    >
    No, Angus, it is increasingly obvious that you are just stuck. You have
    been carrying on your vendetta against conservation organisations and
    conservationists for over six years now and have nothing to show for it.
    So all you can do is to dream up ever more weird scenarios and pose your
    silly questions.

    If you were the slightest bit interested in or knowledgeable about
    conservation, people might, occasionally, take you seriously, but as you
    frequently boast of not being a conservationist, and equally frequently
    demonstrate your appalling (after all these years) lack of knowledge of
    the subject, all that anyone can do is ignore you or laugh at you and
    your Range Rover :-)

    I see, Malcolm. True to form.

    When you can't hack the question, attack the questioner :-))


    Well, you're certainly not the "questioner". You made a statement about
    the RSPB based on alternative claims of them lying.

    Can they be telling the truth about both? If so tell me how.

    Quoted message said:

    If you have an issue
    with the RSPB take it up with them.

    I see. No comment :-)

    Quoted message said:

    In the meantime, I note that you
    haven't denied that you have nothing to show for your vendetta of six
    years and more

    I oppose the fakes that call themselves "conservationists".

    Quoted message said:

    and that you will continue to claim that you are not a
    conservationist

    Of course I'm not a "conservationist". I don't know how many times I
    have to tell you that.

    Quoted message said:

    and that you will continue to drive your Range Rover,
    one of the worst cars for CO2 emissions.

    Of course I do and I make no secret of it.

    If I drove a Range Rover and called myself a "conservationist" , I'd
    be as much a fake as them - and you.

    My position is very clear but obviously too difficult for you to
    understand.

    That's your problem; not mine.

    Angus Macmillan
    www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
    www.killhunting.org
    www.con-servation.org.uk

    All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
    -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes

    Quoted message said:
    Malcolm said:

    In the meantime, I note that you
    haven't denied that you have nothing to show for your vendetta of six
    years and more

    I oppose the fakes that call themselves "conservationists".


    Yes, Angus, we know you do, but at least you don't claim to have
    anything to show for doing so. So you've achieved nothing after six
    years or more.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and that you will continue to claim that you are not a
    conservationist

    Of course I'm not a "conservationist". I don't know how many times I
    have to tell you that.


    Just getting the matter clear in the minds of readers of this ng.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and that you will continue to drive your Range Rover,
    one of the worst cars for CO2 emissions.

    Of course I do and I make no secret of it.

    If I drove a Range Rover and called myself a "conservationist" , I'd
    be as much a fake as them - and you.


    You drive a Range Rover and criticise other people for being
    conservationists. Bad move.

    Quoted message said:

    My position is very clear but obviously too difficult for you to
    understand.


    No, no, I think your position is all too clear. You don't care for the
    planet.

    Quoted message said:

    That's your problem; not mine.


    Everyone should be a conservationist nowadays, Angus, whether of
    wildlife or energy or recycling as much as possible.

    It speaks volumes about you that you continue to insist that you are not
    a conservationist, thus letting down the planet and everyone on it.

    --
    Malcolm

  16. Malcolm said:


    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] writes

    Quoted message said:
    Malcolm said:

    In the meantime, I note that you
    haven't denied that you have nothing to show for your vendetta of six
    years and more

    I oppose the fakes that call themselves "conservationists".


    Yes, Angus, we know you do, but at least you don't claim to have
    anything to show for doing so. So you've achieved nothing after six
    years or more.

    Nothing I would tell you about :-))

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and that you will continue to claim that you are not a
    conservationist

    Of course I'm not a "conservationist". I don't know how many times I
    have to tell you that.


    Just getting the matter clear in the minds of readers of this ng.

    As I said I'm not a conservationist. But I have also said one doesn't
    need to be a conservationist to criticise the fakes. Just like one
    doesn't need to be a thief to criticise theft.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and that you will continue to drive your Range Rover,
    one of the worst cars for CO2 emissions.

    Of course I do and I make no secret of it.

    If I drove a Range Rover and called myself a "conservationist" , I'd
    be as much a fake as them - and you.


    You drive a Range Rover and criticise other people for being
    conservationists. Bad move.

    Not at all. I don't care what people drive and I don't criticise
    those who are conservationists either. I criticise those who say
    they're conservationists and indulge in an encourage environmentally
    damaging activities. There's a distinct difference which you
    dishonestly try to cloud because you support the fakes.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My position is very clear but obviously too difficult for you to
    understand.


    No, no, I think your position is all too clear. You don't care for the
    planet.

    The fake conservationists don't care for the planet

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    Quoted message said:

    That's your problem; not mine.


    Everyone should be a conservationist nowadays, Angus, whether of
    wildlife or energy or recycling as much as possible.

    So why does the RSPB not close its reserves in Islay to the public,
    which it claims attracts thousands of visitors to travel to the
    island?

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    It speaks volumes about you that you continue to insist that you are not
    a conservationist, thus letting down the planet and everyone on it.

    It's up to governments to impose a level playing field for all.

    Two examples of fake conservationists are:

    In 2005 the RSPB said "cooking our planet will disrupt and devastate
    all life and giving this process the cosy name global warming only
    makes it easier for all of us, especially politicians, to ignore the
    consequences", yet at the same time they were accepting pages of world
    wide travel advertisements in their Birds magazine .

    And the Woodland Trust is involved with a whisky firm to send 200
    people to Skye on some scheme for fundraising.

    Angus Macmillan
    www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
    www.killhunting.org
    www.con-servation.org.uk

    All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
    -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

  17. Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:43:47 +0100, Malcolm
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    You drive a Range Rover and criticise other people for being
    conservationists. Bad move.

    Not at all. I don't care what people drive and I don't criticise
    those who are conservationists either.

    But you do seem to have an issue with "walkers" who choose to drive to a
    location to start a walk. What's all that about?

    Roy.

  18. On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:11:09 +0100, Roy <roy@somedomainsomewhere>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:43:47 +0100, Malcolm
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    You drive a Range Rover and criticise other people for being
    conservationists. Bad move.

    Not at all. I don't care what people drive and I don't criticise
    those who are conservationists either.

    But you do seem to have an issue with "walkers" who choose to drive to a
    location to start a walk. What's all that about?

    Roy.

    I don't really have much of an issue with walkers driving to a
    location to walk except for:

    1. I oppose the access legislation in the Land Reform Act for the
    reason that they (walkers) seem to think they have some divine right
    to drive to and use other peoples' property for their recreation
    without any payment whatsoever. Most other recreationalists have to
    pay for their facilities.

    2. If walkers decide to go to remote or inaccessible places they
    should pay insurance to pay for their Search and Rescue

    It seems to me that walkers want everything on the cheap and many such
    as week-end ramblers and wild campers contribute virtually nothing to
    the local economy they visit.

    I have raised these issues in the past.

    Angus Macmillan
    www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
    www.killhunting.org
    www.con-servation.org.uk

    All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
    -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

  19. Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:11:09 +0100, Roy <roy@somedomainsomewhere>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:43:47 +0100, Malcolm
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > You drive a Range Rover and criticise other people for being
    > conservationists. Bad move.
    >
    Not at all. I don't care what people drive and I don't criticise
    those who are conservationists either.


    But you do seem to have an issue with "walkers" who choose to drive to a
    location to start a walk. What's all that about?

    Roy.

    I don't really have much of an issue with walkers driving to a
    location to walk except for:

    1. I oppose the access legislation in the Land Reform Act for the
    reason that they (walkers) seem to think they have some divine right
    to drive to and use other peoples' property for their recreation
    without any payment whatsoever.

    Not a divine right, but one now enshrined in UK law (which you don't
    like - but tough). I will admit however that the current legislation has
    made bugger all difference to the way I carry out my walking activities.
    Whether that's indicative of my lack of ambition now or my illegal
    activity in the past, I couldn't say.

    Most other recreationalists have to

    Quoted message said:

    pay for their facilities.

    Rubbish, there are loads of recreational activities which don't involve
    payment for use of facilities. Walking's just one of the ways I can have
    fun for nowt.

    Quoted message said:


    2. If walkers decide to go to remote or inaccessible places they
    should pay insurance to pay for their Search and Rescue

    Yawn.
    1. MRTs are voluntary organisations run by walkers, climbers, cavers for
    walkers, climbers, cavers. They raise funds by their own very hard graft.

    2. The RAF seem to think taking part in rescue activities is good practice.

    3. If the provision of helicopter support for rescue gets privatised and
    we do end up having to pay for it, then we'll learn to live with it (as
    we have to when we go to the alps, etc.).

    4. If none of the current rescue facilities existed, there are still
    large numbers of folk who would go out into the hills. We might though
    go mob handed in order to safeguard each other.

    Quoted message said:


    It seems to me that walkers want everything on the cheap and many such
    as week-end ramblers and wild campers contribute virtually nothing to
    the local economy they visit.

    Yawn, drivel again, as usual. Local tourist bodies and NP authorities
    seem to want to encourage walkers. Why is that? Just to get up YOUR nose
    presumably.

    Quoted message said:


    I have raised these issues in the past.

    Indeed you have, and will continue to do so ad nauseam.

    Roy.

  20. On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:14:54 +0100, Roy <roy@somedomainsomewhere>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:11:09 +0100, Roy <roy@somedomainsomewhere>

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote:
    > On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:43:47 +0100, Malcolm
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >> You drive a Range Rover and criticise other people for being
    >> conservationists. Bad move.
    >>
    > Not at all. I don't care what people drive and I don't criticise
    > those who are conservationists either.
    But you do seem to have an issue with "walkers" who choose to drive to a
    location to start a walk. What's all that about?

    Roy.

    I don't really have much of an issue with walkers driving to a
    location to walk except for:

    1. I oppose the access legislation in the Land Reform Act for the
    reason that they (walkers) seem to think they have some divine right
    to drive to and use other peoples' property for their recreation
    without any payment whatsoever.

    Not a divine right, but one now enshrined in UK law (which you don't
    like - but tough). I will admit however that the current legislation has
    made bugger all difference to the way I carry out my walking activities.
    Whether that's indicative of my lack of ambition now or my illegal
    activity in the past, I couldn't say.

    I'm not sure "enshrined" is the right word. There has been a lot of
    anti-social behaviour since the LRA came in and there is mounting
    revulsion against the walking public. Things could change.

    Quoted message said:

    Most other recreationalists have to

    Quoted message said:

    pay for their facilities.

    Rubbish, there are loads of recreational activities which don't involve
    payment for use of facilities.

    Like?

    Quoted message said:

    Walking's just one of the ways I can have
    fun for nowt.

    So why should you use other peoples' property for nothing?

    What property of yours do you let others use for nothing?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    2. If walkers decide to go to remote or inaccessible places they
    should pay insurance to pay for their Search and Rescue

    Yawn.
    1. MRTs are voluntary organisations run by walkers, climbers, cavers for
    walkers, climbers, cavers. They raise funds by their own very hard graft.

    But get grants which come from the taxpayer.

    Quoted message said:


    2. The RAF seem to think taking part in rescue activities is good practice.

    Sure it is. But it could be paid for good practice.

    Quoted message said:


    3. If the provision of helicopter support for rescue gets privatised and
    we do end up having to pay for it, then we'll learn to live with it (as
    we have to when we go to the alps, etc.).

    Yes. I agree with that.

    Quoted message said:


    4. If none of the current rescue facilities existed, there are still
    large numbers of folk who would go out into the hills. We might though
    go mob handed in order to safeguard each other.

    Do you not already :-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    It seems to me that walkers want everything on the cheap and many such
    as week-end ramblers and wild campers contribute virtually nothing to
    the local economy they visit.

    Yawn, drivel again, as usual. Local tourist bodies and NP authorities
    seem to want to encourage walkers. Why is that? Just to get up YOUR nose
    presumably.

    No not at all. They do it to keep themselves in jobs.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I have raised these issues in the past.

    Indeed you have, and will continue to do so ad nauseam.

    Roy.

    You will not be disappointed :-)

    Angus Macmillan
    www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
    www.killhunting.org
    www.con-servation.org.uk

    All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
    -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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