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  1. Now that I am finally recovering from a back problem (I had to take
    months off), I have to start looking at replacement parts and
    components, which includes going to the nearby Parisian bike shops.
    When I last went, back in January, I listed the most horrible as well
    as the acceptable ones in close Parisian suburbs:
    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/f08fac1cb122563c/6f2a44c041004209?lnk=gst&q=paris+bike+shops&rnum=1&hl=en#6f2a44c041004209

    Since I had a fairly good experience at the Cycles du Tourmalet in
    Nogent-sur-Marne, I started there. However, the salesman who did a
    good job there last time wasn't there this time, and it was a debacle.
    I told them I was interested in getting a high end bike, but that I
    wanted to test ride the bike, and the salesman looked at me as if I
    was completely insane. It was the first time he had ever heard such a
    request. I asked him how one was supposed to choose without a test
    ride, and he said you had to look at magazines and read reviews.
    Apparently, they don't believe that their customers are capable of
    independent thought. He also looked at me with disbelief when I told
    him that every US bike shop allows you to test bikes and even up to
    hour long rides. The shop is also the French distributor for SRM
    cranks, but they did not have a single one in stock. I asked them if
    it would be possible to test cranks on a trainer to see if I could get
    the ankle clearance I needed, they said that this would also be
    impossible. The manager, who was older and was probably the owner,
    told me that I should just get the Dura-Ace model, and when I said
    that I wanted lower profile cranks, he said that they would fit me
    with appropriate shoes and pedals so that there would be heel
    clearance. When I said that I also wanted a low q-factor, the then
    said: "OK, so don't get Dura-Ace then!" I realised I was wasting my
    time there, and told them that anyway, I would be in the US the
    following week, so would be able to test ride bikes there. The
    manager's response was: "Say hi to Mr. Bush." which was supposed to be
    funny according to him. Anyway, I don't see a single reason not to buy
    mail order if you can't test ride the bike and if the shop is going to
    treat you poorly anyway. This definitely convinced me not to buy a
    bike in a French bike shop.

    Today, I went to the Porte Maillot Velo and Oxygene bike shop to get
    cycling socks since I don't have a single intact pair left. As usual
    with that store, they did not greet me and left me completely alone to
    find the stuff I needed. They had a large selection of socks, almost
    all of them in size XXL, so I had a difficult time finding some my
    size. After a while I found a couple of pairs and went to pay. The
    salesman saw that I had left a number of socks in a pile and told me
    to put them back. I said that it was his job to do that. He insisted
    and I then said that in fact, a customer should not put articles back,
    since he was not familiar with the store's sorting system and might
    misplace things. He said that I was pretty good at removing stuff, so
    I should be just as good at putting it back. At this point, I finally
    realised that I was not going to get socks there. It was going to be
    the last time I would ever go to that store. The strange thing about
    this is that it is not at all typical French behavior, even for rude
    Parisian salespeople. As a rule, salespeople are expected to put back
    articles of clothing. It appears that this store and this salesman in
    particular are particularly rude and incompetent. Since I really
    needed cycling socks, I rode over to rue Ballard to the former Carnac
    store but it turned out that it has gone out of business. Needless to
    say, I was not too unhappy at the demise of a Paris shop. It looks
    like I will have to buy my socks in the US. Just as well, I say.

    Otherwise, Parisian cycling has taken a new turn with the start of
    Velib, a public transportation initiative, where you can rent 22kg
    bikes by the half hour and drop them off when you are done
    http://www.velib.paris.fr/ They were very popular on Sunday, the
    inauguration. My wife simply hates them, and she was truly annoyed
    when I went to help a person whose left crank had fallen off. The
    bikes are a big success for Lapierre, since 20,000 have been ordered.
    The heavy weight and low gearing does seem to encourage civic
    responsibility though, people on these bikes are stopping at red
    lights, as opposed to the typical Paris "urban guerilla" cyclist who
    yells at you if you don't jump out of his way when you walk acrros
    pedestrian crosswalk with a green light.

    -ilan

  2. Dans le message de
    news:[email hidden],
    [email hidden] <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

    Quoted message said:

    Now that I am finally recovering from a back problem (I had to take
    months off), I have to start looking at replacement parts and
    components, which includes going to the nearby Parisian bike shops.
    When I last went, back in January, I listed the most horrible as well
    as the acceptable ones in close Parisian suburbs:
    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/f08fac1cb122563c/6f2a44c041004209?lnk=gst&q=paris+bike+shops&rnum=1&hl=en#6f2a44c041004209

    Since I had a fairly good experience at the Cycles du Tourmalet in
    Nogent-sur-Marne, I started there. However, the salesman who did a
    good job there last time wasn't there this time, and it was a debacle.
    I told them I was interested in getting a high end bike, but that I
    wanted to test ride the bike, and the salesman looked at me as if I
    was completely insane. It was the first time he had ever heard such a
    request. I asked him how one was supposed to choose without a test
    ride, and he said you had to look at magazines and read reviews.
    Apparently, they don't believe that their customers are capable of
    independent thought. He also looked at me with disbelief when I told
    him that every US bike shop allows you to test bikes and even up to
    hour long rides. The shop is also the French distributor for SRM
    cranks, but they did not have a single one in stock. I asked them if
    it would be possible to test cranks on a trainer to see if I could get
    the ankle clearance I needed, they said that this would also be
    impossible. The manager, who was older and was probably the owner,
    told me that I should just get the Dura-Ace model, and when I said
    that I wanted lower profile cranks, he said that they would fit me
    with appropriate shoes and pedals so that there would be heel
    clearance. When I said that I also wanted a low q-factor, the then
    said: "OK, so don't get Dura-Ace then!" I realised I was wasting my
    time there, and told them that anyway, I would be in the US the
    following week, so would be able to test ride bikes there. The
    manager's response was: "Say hi to Mr. Bush." which was supposed to be
    funny according to him. Anyway, I don't see a single reason not to buy
    mail order if you can't test ride the bike and if the shop is going to
    treat you poorly anyway. This definitely convinced me not to buy a
    bike in a French bike shop.

    True - most shops expect you to take their word for a frame on which you
    will spend the next 75000 km. No test ride is typical, but try Cycles Jacky
    in Rambouillet, which will let you ride what is built, providing they have
    your size.

    Quoted message said:

    Today, I went to the Porte Maillot Velo and Oxygene

    You need say no more. I used to live 700 metres from that shop, and only
    once bought a chain, Campy 9V, for 32 euros. They said I should be happy,
    as it was on sale. Nothing would ever bring me back there, but I enjoy
    annoying the help when I can.

    Quoted message said:

    bike shop to get
    cycling socks since I don't have a single intact pair left. As usual
    with that store, they did not greet me and left me completely alone to
    find the stuff I needed. They had a large selection of socks, almost
    all of them in size XXL, so I had a difficult time finding some my
    size. After a while I found a couple of pairs and went to pay. The
    salesman saw that I had left a number of socks in a pile and told me
    to put them back. I said that it was his job to do that. He insisted
    and I then said that in fact, a customer should not put articles back,
    since he was not familiar with the store's sorting system and might
    misplace things. He said that I was pretty good at removing stuff, so
    I should be just as good at putting it back. At this point, I finally
    realised that I was not going to get socks there.

    Truly a simple solution, and a perfect one. Décathlon - running socks
    called Kenji - 3 pair for about 5-6 euros, and they wear long, wash clean,
    stay up, et c. Can't recommend anything better at any price.

    So why didn't you try for a bike at DKT ? Lack of snob appeal ? I had a
    9.2 for a winter bike for a while, and the only thing to change (at once) is
    the Truvativ crank and BB. Take a look - you could be surprised - and you
    can ride the ones on display.

    You may have a Districycle near you. Not the most helpful at all locations,
    but OK. They do retail at their mail-order prices. Bon courage.
    --
    Sandy
    --
    S'endormir au volant, c'est très dangereux.
    S'endormir à vélo, c'est très rare.
    S'endormir à pied, c'est très con.
    - Geluck, P.

  3. Sandy said:


    Truly a simple solution, and a perfect one. Décathlon - running socks
    called Kenji - 3 pair for about 5-6 euros, and they wear long, wash clean,
    stay up, et c. Can't recommend anything better at any price.

    Decathlon is not really a top of the line shop, but I found their
    service very good and actually bought a VTT there for a knockaround-go
    shopping bike, mid range Rochrider 8 for 799 €, and am more than happy
    barring the fact that it's the first time I had anything other than
    French or Italian derailleurs

    As for socks I don't have "cycling socks" but got a whole bagful of
    great short Calvin Kline socks when the local CK shop was changing to
    Von Dutch. And I mean a good big bagful for 20 € and in fact will
    probably never have to buy socks again 😉

    --
    Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
    -
    The best slaves are the ones that think they're free.
    Right George?

  4. Davey Crockett said:

    As for socks I don't have "cycling socks" but got a whole bagful of
    great short Calvin Kline socks when the local CK shop was changing to
    Von Dutch. And I mean a good big bagful for 20 € and in fact will
    probably never have to buy socks again 😉

    Alternatively won't have to wash socks for a long time.

  5. Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
    Donald Munro <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

    Quoted message said:
    Davey Crockett said:

    As for socks I don't have "cycling socks" but got a whole bagful of
    great short Calvin Kline socks when the local CK shop was changing to
    Von Dutch. And I mean a good big bagful for 20 ? and in fact will
    probably never have to buy socks again 😉

    Alternatively won't have to wash socks for a long time.

    Another variant - black socks. Can you really tell if the're dirty, if they
    don't walk away?

  6. Sandy said:

    Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
    Donald Munro <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

    Quoted message said:
    Davey Crockett said:

    As for socks I don't have "cycling socks" but got a whole bagful of
    great short Calvin Kline socks when the local CK shop was changing to
    Von Dutch. And I mean a good big bagful for 20 ? and in fact will
    probably never have to buy socks again 😉

    Alternatively won't have to wash socks for a long time.

    Another variant - black socks. Can you really tell if the're dirty, if they
    don't walk away?


    Used to be that Cycling Socks were White and Cycling Shorts Black

    But now we seem to have the Cart before the Horse - or something
    similar

    --
    Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
    -
    On the 50th anniversary of their original unification, the EU powers
    congratulated themselves on the way they had kept Europe free of war
    ever since 1945. They did not seem even to notice how they had just
    gone to war with a European nation called Serbia. Serbia was the one
    European nation to resist Nazi German domination (the others either
    surrendered or collaborated). Its capital, Belgrade, was viciously
    bombed as a result. The next time it was bombed was by a NATO that
    included Germany and many of the other former collaborator nations,
    this time to force it to submit over Kosovo. Little wonder the Serbs
    remain angry.

  7. <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...
    | Now that I am finally recovering from a back problem (I had to take
    | months off), I have to start looking at replacement parts and
    | components, which includes going to the nearby Parisian bike shops.
    | When I last went, back in January, I listed the most horrible as well
    | as the acceptable ones in close Parisian suburbs:
    |
    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/f08fac1cb122563c/6f2a44c041004209?lnk=gst&q=paris+bike+shops&rnum=1&hl=en#6f2a44c041004209
    |
    | Since I had a fairly good experience at the Cycles du Tourmalet in
    | Nogent-sur-Marne, I started there. However, the salesman who did a
    | good job there last time wasn't there this time, and it was a debacle.
    | I told them I was interested in getting a high end bike, but that I
    | wanted to test ride the bike, and the salesman looked at me as if I
    | was completely insane. It was the first time he had ever heard such a
    | request. I asked him how one was supposed to choose without a test
    | ride, and he said you had to look at magazines and read reviews.
    | Apparently, they don't believe that their customers are capable of
    | independent thought. He also looked at me with disbelief when I told
    | him that every US bike shop allows you to test bikes and even up to
    | hour long rides. The shop is also the French distributor for SRM
    | cranks, but they did not have a single one in stock. I asked them if
    | it would be possible to test cranks on a trainer to see if I could get
    | the ankle clearance I needed, they said that this would also be
    | impossible. The manager, who was older and was probably the owner,
    | told me that I should just get the Dura-Ace model, and when I said
    | that I wanted lower profile cranks, he said that they would fit me
    | with appropriate shoes and pedals so that there would be heel
    | clearance. When I said that I also wanted a low q-factor, the then
    | said: "OK, so don't get Dura-Ace then!" I realised I was wasting my
    | time there, and told them that anyway, I would be in the US the
    | following week, so would be able to test ride bikes there. The
    | manager's response was: "Say hi to Mr. Bush." which was supposed to be
    | funny according to him. Anyway, I don't see a single reason not to buy
    | mail order if you can't test ride the bike and if the shop is going to
    | treat you poorly anyway. This definitely convinced me not to buy a
    | bike in a French bike shop.
    |
    | Today, I went to the Porte Maillot Velo and Oxygene bike shop to get
    | cycling socks since I don't have a single intact pair left. As usual
    | with that store, they did not greet me and left me completely alone to
    | find the stuff I needed. They had a large selection of socks, almost
    | all of them in size XXL, so I had a difficult time finding some my
    | size. After a while I found a couple of pairs and went to pay. The
    | salesman saw that I had left a number of socks in a pile and told me
    | to put them back. I said that it was his job to do that. He insisted
    | and I then said that in fact, a customer should not put articles back,
    | since he was not familiar with the store's sorting system and might
    | misplace things. He said that I was pretty good at removing stuff, so
    | I should be just as good at putting it back. At this point, I finally
    | realised that I was not going to get socks there. It was going to be
    | the last time I would ever go to that store. The strange thing about
    | this is that it is not at all typical French behavior, even for rude
    | Parisian salespeople. As a rule, salespeople are expected to put back
    | articles of clothing. It appears that this store and this salesman in
    | particular are particularly rude and incompetent. Since I really
    | needed cycling socks, I rode over to rue Ballard to the former Carnac
    | store but it turned out that it has gone out of business. Needless to
    | say, I was not too unhappy at the demise of a Paris shop. It looks
    | like I will have to buy my socks in the US. Just as well, I say.
    |
    | Otherwise, Parisian cycling has taken a new turn with the start of
    | Velib, a public transportation initiative, where you can rent 22kg
    | bikes by the half hour and drop them off when you are done
    | http://www.velib.paris.fr/ They were very popular on Sunday, the
    | inauguration. My wife simply hates them, and she was truly annoyed
    | when I went to help a person whose left crank had fallen off. The
    | bikes are a big success for Lapierre, since 20,000 have been ordered.
    | The heavy weight and low gearing does seem to encourage civic
    | responsibility though, people on these bikes are stopping at red
    | lights, as opposed to the typical Paris "urban guerilla" cyclist who
    | yells at you if you don't jump out of his way when you walk acrros
    | pedestrian crosswalk with a green light.
    |
    | -ilan
    |

    I had the same experience at VelOxy in porte Maillot. First visit was the
    last. Bike shops in paris suck. I had a favorable experience at a shop in
    Fontainbleu. Good service, high end stuff. But in general, I mail order or
    buy stuff when I'm in the States.

  8. Davey Crockett said:

    Decathlon is not really a top of the line shop,

    Well, it's true that if you're after brands like Look, Colnago, Trek
    or Orbea, you won't find them in Decathon.

    Quoted message said:

    but I found their
    service very good and actually bought a VTT there for a knockaround-go
    shopping bike, mid range Rochrider 8 for 799 €, and am more than happy

    But as you and Sandy point out, the value for money is probably hard
    to beat.

  9. in message <[email hidden]>, Davey Crockett

    (') said:
    Sandy said:

    Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
    Donald Munro <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

    Quoted message said:

    Davey Crockett wrote:
    > As for socks I don't have "cycling socks" but got a whole bagful of
    > great short Calvin Kline socks when the local CK shop was changing to
    > Von Dutch. And I mean a good big bagful for 20 ? and in fact will
    > probably never have to buy socks again 😉

    Alternatively won't have to wash socks for a long time.

    Another variant - black socks. Can you really tell if the're dirty, if
    they don't walk away?


    Used to be that Cycling Socks were White and Cycling Shorts Black

    But now we seem to have the Cart before the Horse - or something
    similar

    A lad at last night's TT turned up in full - I mean full - Bettini strip,
    down to rainbow flashes on his (white) shoes. You wouldn't want to ride
    behind him in the rain...

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    Windows 95:
    You, you, you! You make a grown man cry...
    M. Jagger/K. Richards

  10. Simon Brooke schreef:

    Quoted message said:

    A lad at last night's TT turned up in full - I mean full - Bettini strip,
    down to rainbow flashes on his (white) shoes.

    Did he win? Or did he also match Bettini's TT abilities?

    --
    E. Dronkert

  11. "Tom Grosman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...
    | When I last went, back in January, I listed the most horrible as well
    | as the acceptable ones in close Parisian suburbs:
    |
    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/f08fac1cb122563c/6f2a44c041004209?lnk=gst&q=paris+bike+shops&rnum=1&hl=en#6f2a44c041004209

    I had the same experience at VelOxy in porte Maillot. First visit was the
    last. Bike shops in paris suck. I had a favorable experience at a shop in
    Fontainbleu. Good service, high end stuff. But in general, I mail order or
    buy stuff when I'm in the States.

    I had an amazingly hard time finding ANY bicycle shops in France. Many of
    them I found were motorcycle shops that sold bicycles as well.

  12. "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Tom Grosman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...
    | When I last went, back in January, I listed the most horrible as well
    | as the acceptable ones in close Parisian suburbs:
    |


    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/f08fac1cb122563c/6f2a44c041004209?lnk=gst&q=paris+bike+shops&rnum=1&hl=en#6f2a44c041004209

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I had the same experience at VelOxy in porte Maillot. First visit was


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    last. Bike shops in paris suck. I had a favorable experience at a shop


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Fontainbleu. Good service, high end stuff. But in general, I mail order


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    buy stuff when I'm in the States.

    I had an amazingly hard time finding ANY bicycle shops in France. Many of
    them I found were motorcycle shops that sold bicycles as well.

    According to my cousins living there, Decathlon sells more bikes than
    anyone. We used to shop at the one on Ave de Wagram, right near the Arc d'
    Triomphe. The last time I was there was in 1996. They had a great cycling
    department in the basement.

    In Rome, many of the bicycle shops were mixed together with scooter places.

    Bruce

  13. in message <[email hidden]>, Ewoud Dronkert

    (') said:

    Simon Brooke schreef:

    Quoted message said:

    A lad at last night's TT turned up in full - I mean full - Bettini
    strip, down to rainbow flashes on his (white) shoes.

    Did he win? Or did he also match Bettini's TT abilities?

    He didn't win, but he did come second. Mind you, he came second behind a
    fifteen-year-old.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    A message from our sponsor: This site is now in free fall

  14. Tom Grosman said:

    <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...
    | Now that I am finally recovering from a back problem (I had to take
    | months off), I have to start looking at replacement parts and
    | components, which includes going to the nearby Parisian bike shops.
    | When I last went, back in January, I listed the most horrible as well
    | as the acceptable ones in close Parisian suburbs:
    |http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/...
    |
    | Since I had a fairly good experience at the Cycles du Tourmalet in
    | Nogent-sur-Marne, I started there. However, the salesman who did a
    | good job there last time wasn't there this time, and it was a debacle.
    | I told them I was interested in getting a high end bike, but that I
    | wanted to test ride the bike, and the salesman looked at me as if I
    | was completely insane. It was the first time he had ever heard such a
    | request. I asked him how one was supposed to choose without a test
    | ride, and he said you had to look at magazines and read reviews.
    | Apparently, they don't believe that their customers are capable of
    | independent thought. He also looked at me with disbelief when I told
    | him that every US bike shop allows you to test bikes and even up to
    | hour long rides. The shop is also the French distributor for SRM
    | cranks, but they did not have a single one in stock. I asked them if
    | it would be possible to test cranks on a trainer to see if I could get
    | the ankle clearance I needed, they said that this would also be
    | impossible. The manager, who was older and was probably the owner,
    | told me that I should just get the Dura-Ace model, and when I said
    | that I wanted lower profile cranks, he said that they would fit me
    | with appropriate shoes and pedals so that there would be heel
    | clearance. When I said that I also wanted a low q-factor, the then
    | said: "OK, so don't get Dura-Ace then!" I realised I was wasting my
    | time there, and told them that anyway, I would be in the US the
    | following week, so would be able to test ride bikes there. The
    | manager's response was: "Say hi to Mr. Bush." which was supposed to be
    | funny according to him. Anyway, I don't see a single reason not to buy
    | mail order if you can't test ride the bike and if the shop is going to
    | treat you poorly anyway. This definitely convinced me not to buy a
    | bike in a French bike shop.
    |
    | Today, I went to the Porte Maillot Velo and Oxygene bike shop to get
    | cycling socks since I don't have a single intact pair left. As usual
    | with that store, they did not greet me and left me completely alone to
    | find the stuff I needed. They had a large selection of socks, almost
    | all of them in size XXL, so I had a difficult time finding some my
    | size. After a while I found a couple of pairs and went to pay. The
    | salesman saw that I had left a number of socks in a pile and told me
    | to put them back. I said that it was his job to do that. He insisted
    | and I then said that in fact, a customer should not put articles back,
    | since he was not familiar with the store's sorting system and might
    | misplace things. He said that I was pretty good at removing stuff, so
    | I should be just as good at putting it back. At this point, I finally
    | realised that I was not going to get socks there. It was going to be
    | the last time I would ever go to that store. The strange thing about
    | this is that it is not at all typical French behavior, even for rude
    | Parisian salespeople. As a rule, salespeople are expected to put back
    | articles of clothing. It appears that this store and this salesman in
    | particular are particularly rude and incompetent. Since I really
    | needed cycling socks, I rode over to rue Ballard to the former Carnac
    | store but it turned out that it has gone out of business. Needless to
    | say, I was not too unhappy at the demise of a Paris shop. It looks
    | like I will have to buy my socks in the US. Just as well, I say.
    |
    | Otherwise, Parisian cycling has taken a new turn with the start of
    | Velib, a public transportation initiative, where you can rent 22kg
    | bikes by the half hour and drop them off when you are done
    |http://www.velib.paris.fr/They were very popular on Sunday, the
    | inauguration. My wife simply hates them, and she was truly annoyed
    | when I went to help a person whose left crank had fallen off. The
    | bikes are a big success for Lapierre, since 20,000 have been ordered.
    | The heavy weight and low gearing does seem to encourage civic
    | responsibility though, people on these bikes are stopping at red
    | lights, as opposed to the typical Paris "urban guerilla" cyclist who
    | yells at you if you don't jump out of his way when you walk acrros
    | pedestrian crosswalk with a green light.
    |
    | -ilan
    |

    I had the same experience at VelOxy in porte Maillot. First visit was the
    last. Bike shops in paris suck. I had a favorable experience at a shop in
    Fontainbleu. Good service, high end stuff. But in general, I mail order or
    buy stuff when I'm in the States.

    I think you mean "La Petite Reine", in Fontainebleau. It is a very
    nice store, but not
    too convenient for me in Paris. It is weird to see Merlin bikes in a
    French bike shop.
    By the way, the name of the store is due to the owner's
    last name, which is "Reine".

    Once again, I've had fairly good luck with shops outside the immediate
    Paris area.

    -ilan

  15. Sandy said:

    Dans le message denews:[email hidden],
    [email hidden] <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

    Quoted message said:

    Now that I am finally recovering from a back problem (I had to take
    months off), I have to start looking at replacement parts and
    components, which includes going to the nearby Parisian bike shops.
    When I last went, back in January, I listed the most horrible as well
    as the acceptable ones in close Parisian suburbs:
    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/...

    Quoted message said:

    Since I had a fairly good experience at the Cycles du Tourmalet in
    Nogent-sur-Marne, I started there. However, the salesman who did a
    good job there last time wasn't there this time, and it was a debacle.
    I told them I was interested in getting a high end bike, but that I
    wanted to test ride the bike, and the salesman looked at me as if I
    was completely insane. It was the first time he had ever heard such a
    request. I asked him how one was supposed to choose without a test
    ride, and he said you had to look at magazines and read reviews.
    Apparently, they don't believe that their customers are capable of
    independent thought. He also looked at me with disbelief when I told
    him that every US bike shop allows you to test bikes and even up to
    hour long rides. The shop is also the French distributor for SRM
    cranks, but they did not have a single one in stock. I asked them if
    it would be possible to test cranks on a trainer to see if I could get
    the ankle clearance I needed, they said that this would also be
    impossible. The manager, who was older and was probably the owner,
    told me that I should just get the Dura-Ace model, and when I said
    that I wanted lower profile cranks, he said that they would fit me
    with appropriate shoes and pedals so that there would be heel
    clearance. When I said that I also wanted a low q-factor, the then
    said: "OK, so don't get Dura-Ace then!" I realised I was wasting my
    time there, and told them that anyway, I would be in the US the
    following week, so would be able to test ride bikes there. The
    manager's response was: "Say hi to Mr. Bush." which was supposed to be
    funny according to him. Anyway, I don't see a single reason not to buy
    mail order if you can't test ride the bike and if the shop is going to
    treat you poorly anyway. This definitely convinced me not to buy a
    bike in a French bike shop.

    True - most shops expect you to take their word for a frame on which you
    will spend the next 75000 km. No test ride is typical, but try Cycles Jacky
    in Rambouillet, which will let you ride what is built, providing they have
    your size.

    Quoted message said:

    Today, I went to the Porte Maillot Velo and Oxygene

    You need say no more. I used to live 700 metres from that shop, and only
    once bought a chain, Campy 9V, for 32 euros. They said I should be happy,
    as it was on sale. Nothing would ever bring me back there, but I enjoy
    annoying the help when I can.

    Quoted message said:

    bike shop to get
    cycling socks since I don't have a single intact pair left. As usual
    with that store, they did not greet me and left me completely alone to
    find the stuff I needed. They had a large selection of socks, almost
    all of them in size XXL, so I had a difficult time finding some my
    size. After a while I found a couple of pairs and went to pay. The
    salesman saw that I had left a number of socks in a pile and told me
    to put them back. I said that it was his job to do that. He insisted
    and I then said that in fact, a customer should not put articles back,
    since he was not familiar with the store's sorting system and might
    misplace things. He said that I was pretty good at removing stuff, so
    I should be just as good at putting it back. At this point, I finally
    realised that I was not going to get socks there.

    Truly a simple solution, and a perfect one. Décathlon - running socks
    called Kenji - 3 pair for about 5-6 euros, and they wear long, wash clean,
    stay up, et c. Can't recommend anything better at any price.

    So why didn't you try for a bike at DKT ? Lack of snob appeal ? I had a
    9.2 for a winter bike for a while, and the only thing to change (at once)is
    the Truvativ crank and BB. Take a look - you could be surprised - and you
    can ride the ones on display.

    You may have a Districycle near you. Not the most helpful at all locations,
    but OK. They do retail at their mail-order prices. Bon courage.
    --
    Sandy
    --
    S'endormir au volant, c'est très dangereux.
    S'endormir à vélo, c'est très rare.
    S'endormir à pied, c'est très con.
    - Geluck, P.

    Well, I'm glad that Velo & Oxygene is democratic in their contempt for
    customers, at least I know it's not a personal thing.

    I ended up buying socks at GoSport, so pretty much like Decathlon.
    They aren't that good,
    but seemed about the same as what was available at Velo & Oxygene. I
    don't go to Decathlon because it's not very convenient for me, I have
    to change metro lines twice to get to the one near Ternes. The bikes I
    saw at GoSport seemed like harsh aluminum models.

    -ilan

  16. On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:37:56 -0000, [email hidden] wrote:

    [---]

    Quoted message said:

    I
    don't go to Decathlon because it's not very convenient for me, I have
    to change metro lines twice to get to the one near Ternes.

    What about the Decathlon opposite the Madeleine ?

    Quoted message said:

    The bikes I
    saw at GoSport seemed like harsh aluminum models.

    Yes, they're [censored], nowhere near the quality of the Decathlon bikes.

  17. Andrew Price said:

    On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:37:56 -0000, [email hidden] wrote:

    [---]

    Quoted message said:

    I
    don't go to Decathlon because it's not very convenient for me, I have
    to change metro lines twice to get to the one near Ternes.

    What about the Decathlon opposite the Madeleine ?

    I've gone to the Madeleine at least 3 times for this exact purpose and
    was never
    able to find it. I guess I'm not good enough to go there.

    -ilan

  18. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What about the Decathlon opposite the Madeleine ?

    I've gone to the Madeleine at least 3 times for this exact purpose and
    was never able to find it.

    Not so easy to find - it's in the *basement* of the old department
    store "Les Trois Quartiers".

    Quoted message said:

    I guess I'm not good enough to go there.

    If you didn't know where to look, you could easily miss it. The
    entrance is a flight of steps leading downwards, on the corner of the
    bld de la Madeleine and rue Duphot.

  19. Quoted message said:

    Now that I am finally recovering from a back problem (I had to take
    months off), I have to start looking at replacement parts and
    components, which includes going to the nearby Parisian bike shops.
    When I last went, back in January, I listed the most horrible as well
    as the acceptable ones in close Parisian suburbs:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/...

    Since I had a fairly good experience at the Cycles du Tourmalet in
    Nogent-sur-Marne, I started there. However, the salesman who did a
    good job there last time wasn't there this time, and it was a debacle.
    I told them I was interested in getting a high end bike, but that I
    wanted to test ride the bike, and the salesman looked at me as if I
    was completely insane. It was the first time he had ever heard such a
    request. I asked him how one was supposed to choose without a test
    ride, and he said you had to look at magazines and read reviews.
    Apparently, they don't believe that their customers are capable of
    independent thought. He also looked at me with disbelief when I told
    him that every US bike shop allows you to test bikes and even up to
    hour long rides. The shop is also the French distributor for SRM
    cranks, but they did not have a single one in stock. I asked them if
    it would be possible to test cranks on a trainer to see if I could get
    the ankle clearance I needed, they said that this would also be
    impossible. The manager, who was older and was probably the owner,
    told me that I should just get the Dura-Ace model, and when I said
    that I wanted lower profile cranks, he said that they would fit me
    with appropriate shoes and pedals so that there would be heel
    clearance. When I said that I also wanted a low q-factor, the then
    said: "OK, so don't get Dura-Ace then!" I realised I was wasting my
    time there, and told them that anyway, I would be in the US the
    following week, so would be able to test ride bikes there. The
    manager's response was: "Say hi to Mr. Bush." which was supposed to be
    funny according to him. Anyway, I don't see a single reason not to buy
    mail order if you can't test ride the bike and if the shop is going to
    treat you poorly anyway. This definitely convinced me not to buy a
    bike in a French bike shop.

    Today, I went to the Porte Maillot Velo and Oxygene bike shop to get
    cycling socks since I don't have a single intact pair left. As usual
    with that store, they did not greet me and left me completely alone to
    find the stuff I needed. They had a large selection of socks, almost
    all of them in size XXL, so I had a difficult time finding some my
    size. After a while I found a couple of pairs and went to pay. The
    salesman saw that I had left a number of socks in a pile and told me
    to put them back. I said that it was his job to do that. He insisted
    and I then said that in fact, a customer should not put articles back,
    since he was not familiar with the store's sorting system and might
    misplace things. He said that I was pretty good at removing stuff, so
    I should be just as good at putting it back. At this point, I finally
    realised that I was not going to get socks there. It was going to be
    the last time I would ever go to that store. The strange thing about
    this is that it is not at all typical French behavior, even for rude
    Parisian salespeople. As a rule, salespeople are expected to put back
    articles of clothing. It appears that this store and this salesman in
    particular are particularly rude and incompetent. Since I really
    needed cycling socks, I rode over to rue Ballard to the former Carnac
    store but it turned out that it has gone out of business. Needless to
    say, I was not too unhappy at the demise of a Paris shop. It looks
    like I will have to buy my socks in the US. Just as well, I say.

    Otherwise, Parisian cycling has taken a new turn with the start of
    Velib, a public transportation initiative, where you can rent 22kg
    bikes by the half hour and drop them off when you are donehttp://www.velib.paris.fr/They were very popular on Sunday, the
    inauguration. My wife simply hates them, and she was truly annoyed
    when I went to help a person whose left crank had fallen off. The
    bikes are a big success for Lapierre, since 20,000 have been ordered.
    The heavy weight and low gearing does seem to encourage civic
    responsibility though, people on these bikes are stopping at red
    lights, as opposed to the typical Paris "urban guerilla" cyclist who
    yells at you if you don't jump out of his way when you walk acrros
    pedestrian crosswalk with a green light.

    -ilan

    I finally made it to the USA, and got some cycling socks. They're a
    new brand called Save Our Soles and they are very
    good, I like them even more than Sock Guy. The price was good too. I
    got 4 pairs, but will get some more, I think.

    -ilan

  20. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I finally made it to the USA, and got some cycling socks. They're a
    new brand called Save Our Soles and they are very
    good, I like them even more than Sock Guy. The price was good too. I
    got 4 pairs, but will get some more, I think.

    You travel to the US to buy four pairs of socks and your concerned with
    their price?

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