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  1. Ok... This is a rant,but if I don't get it out, I am going to explode.

    At the school where I workout, Univ. of Pitt., there seems to be a conflict between performance
    athletes and the weight reducers. The problem seems to center around people who are trying to reduce
    their weight without being distracted by the performance athletes who are trying to increase their
    run times, (or for that matter lift heavy weights, achieve balance or coordination.) It has gotten
    to be such an issue that the weight reducers are complaining and some are copying what the
    performance athletes are doing, which is dangerous.

    I know that weight reducers need to reduce weight without feeling succumbed by the inadequacies of
    their own bodies. I hail them for trying to keep fit. Some, it maybe a life threatening issues due
    to severe obesity. But I have my performance needs too!!! They should not be copying me. A woman who
    is about 200+ lbs overweight should not try to copy my pace. God!!!

    I have this agility problem for a while. I could not run at great speeds or do my sprints without
    falling. So I tried a balance and coordination tactic. I walk backwards on the treadmill and do some
    free weights while standing on one leg. I do it safely, I do it with care, for all coordination and
    balance training will involve some dangers, about as much as lifting heavy weights. For a while, it
    worked. But I am told not to do it because people have started to copy
    me. This is dumb.

    Has anyone ever experienced this? I cannot afford nor have room for a treadmill. I can do the free
    weights routine fairly well in my own home, but not the walking backwards routine. Does anybody have
    any suggestions???

  2. My suggestion would be to find another nic besides Buddha. You are a disgrace to Buddhism, the human
    race, and joggers in general. Now go take that pompous attitude of yours, and stick it up your ass.
    Regards, Anne

  3. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]

    (BuddhaThu) said:

    Ok... This is a rant,but if I don't get it out, I am going to explode.

    At the school where I workout, Univ. of Pitt., there seems to be a conflict between performance
    athletes and the weight reducers. The problem seems to center around people who are trying to
    reduce their weight without being distracted by the performance athletes who are trying to
    increase their run times

    I think you'll find that very few performance athletes go out of their way to increase their
    run times.

    Quoted message said:

    (or for that matter lift heavy weights, achieve balance or coordination.) It has gotten to be such
    an issue that the weight reducers are complaining and some are copying what the performance
    athletes are doing, which is dangerous.

    I know that weight reducers need to reduce weight without feeling succumbed by the inadequacies of
    their own bodies. I hail them for trying to keep fit. Some, it maybe a life threatening issues due
    to severe obesity. But I have my performance needs too!!!

    Quoted message said:

    They should not be copying me. A woman who is about 200+ lbs overweight should not try to copy my
    pace. God!!!

    Well, she can try, but she just won't be successful.

    Quoted message said:

    I have this agility problem for a while. I could not run at great speeds or do my sprints without
    falling. So I tried a balance and coordination tactic. I walk backwards on the treadmill and do
    some free weights while standing on one leg.

    Whose leg are you standing on, and do you get permission before you stand on it?

    Quoted message said:

    I do it safely, I do it with care, for all coordination and balance training will involve some
    dangers, about as much as lifting heavy weights. For a while, it worked. But I am told not to do it
    because people have started to copy
    me. This is dumb.

    I agree that copying you is dumb.

    Quoted message said:

    Has anyone ever experienced this? I cannot afford nor have room for a treadmill. I can do the free
    weights routine fairly well in my own home, but not the walking backwards routine. Does anybody
    have any suggestions???

    Um, go outside?

    --Harold Buck

    "I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."

    - Homer J. Simpson

  4. BuddhaThu wrote:

    It has gotten to be such an

    Quoted message said:

    issue that the weight reducers are complaining and some are copying what the performance athletes
    are doing, which is dangerous.

    My $.01. Sounds like people need to focus on their own workout and not be concerned about what
    others are doing. Perhaps more supervision and/or education is in order for some folks?

    I haven't seen that problem where people try to copy other people's workouts. What I have seen is
    people (person A) using equipment in different ways than another person (B) has seen it used. B may
    either ask what they are doing to learn a new technique or politely offer to correct them if they
    think that A is doing it incorrectly. For example, I've used the back of a versaclimber as a
    shoulder workout (as taught by my PT), and several have asked about it - but no other takers.

    The fitness center where I used to go is really a PT place that lets people use their equipment for
    a very reasonable fee and no membership charge - so it's fairly mellow. Pretty much one of each
    piece of equipment so you don't see the rows of bikes in spin classes like in big-box gyms. It's
    probably lower key than commercial big-box gyms and not sure about universities. But we have to go
    through a brief orientation on how to use the equipment (I'm not sure it's a high quality
    orientation, but it is an intro for people that have never used the equipment.) If we haven't been
    in for a year, we have to go through the orientation again. They show you how to adjust the
    equipment to your size and get right weights, etc.

    Many of the users are PT graduates or people trying to get some exercise in low-key environment, but
    some are extremely fit people (what I call fitness freaks). Most walk on the treadmill, but one lady
    cranks it up both slope and speed and goes for it. Most people get along and do their own thing
    without anybody trying to copy others. People are encouraged to ask if they've forgotten how to do
    something.

    Quoted message said:


    I have this agility problem for a while. I could not run at great speeds or do my sprints without
    falling. So I tried a balance and coordination tactic. I walk backwards on the treadmill and do
    some free weights while standing on one leg. I do it safely, I do it with care, for all
    coordination and balance training will involve some dangers, about as much as lifting heavy
    weights. For a while, it worked. But I am told not to do it because people have started to copy
    me. This is dumb.

    Depending upon what they are copying, I would think the attendants should offer to instruct the
    others properly in a new skill. If the attendants aren't familiar with it, then maybe you could show
    them or show them a reference or whatever - IF it's appropriate.

    I've not done backwards walking on a treadmill, but we run backwards normally, high steps, butt
    flicks, and skipping with many 180 deg turns on a gym mat (like gymnastics floor exercise mat).
    Something like this might be more appropriate for the others (or even you) if there's facilities
    there. And I think we all did our fair share of wipe outs when we were learning - but the mat's a
    fairly forgiving surface. Our coach has a routine on either the treadmill or stairmaster where he
    does things in assorted directions (front, back, side) with /without weights. Absolutely none of
    us try it 😉

    For the single leg balance with free weights, perhaps someone can instruct them in proprioception
    exercises - which is certainly useful for all levels. They're not seeing the steps you went through
    leading up to where you are now. Someone needs to show/explain that to them - or at least give them
    a handout. Start with single-leg balance, then squat, then add leg movements in all directions, then
    close eyes, then add unstable surface, then add weights, if desired - and a wobble board if
    available. I do these at home or in office 4-6 days a week and sometimes while standing in grocery
    lines, but I'm not up to weights yet. How to start a progression of exercises like this is something
    I would think the gym attendants or personal trainers or somebody should be capable of explaining.
    And if the people aren't willing to go through the progression and learn properly, I don't think
    that the attendants should limit what you do because someone else isn't serious about their
    exercise. Or find another gym. My PT started me on proprioception exercises (foot/snkles not
    functioning properly) and I've progressed from there.

    Quoted message said:


    Has anyone ever experienced this? I cannot afford nor have room for a treadmill. I can do the free
    weights routine fairly well in my own home, but not the walking backwards routine. Does anybody
    have any suggestions???

    Can you do this on your lawn (barefoot gives you more bank for your buck) or in an office hallway?

    But I would think the best way would be to educate the people who are suggesting you not do these
    and perhaps the others?

    Just a thought.

    I'll admit we have pretty mellow groups as far as getting along in a gym are concerned, BUT you
    really don't want to get in anybody's way when we're in motion 😉 And I haven't been to any of the
    open sessions at commercial gyms to know how they compare. Our xt is a special session at local,
    family owned gym.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  5. Have you ever met Larry Fitsgerald in the weight room at Pitt? I saw him play against Rutgers and
    was amazed. I think his hands are made of velcro or something. He has as good a shot at the Heisman
    Trophy as anyone. "BuddhaThu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ok... This is a rant,but if I don't get it out, I am going to explode.

    At the school where I workout, Univ. of Pitt., there seems to be a conflict between performance
    athletes and the weight reducers. The problem seems to center around people who are trying to
    reduce their weight without being distracted by the performance athletes who are trying to
    increase their run times, (or for that matter lift heavy weights, achieve balance or
    coordination.) It has gotten to be such an issue that the weight reducers are complaining and some
    are copying what the performance athletes are doing, which is dangerous.

    I know that weight reducers need to reduce weight without feeling succumbed by the inadequacies of
    their own bodies. I hail them for trying to keep fit. Some, it maybe a life threatening issues due
    to severe obesity. But I have my performance needs too!!! They should not be copying me. A woman
    who is about 200+ lbs overweight should not try to copy my pace. God!!!

    I have this agility problem for a while. I could not run at great speeds or do my sprints without
    falling. So I tried a balance and coordination tactic. I walk backwards on the treadmill and do
    some free weights while standing on one leg. I do it safely, I do it with care, for all
    coordination and balance training will involve some dangers, about as much as lifting heavy
    weights. For a while, it worked. But I am told not to do it because people have started to copy
    me. This is dumb.

    Has anyone ever experienced this? I cannot afford nor have room for a treadmill. I can do the free
    weights routine fairly well in my own home, but not the walking backwards routine. Does anybody
    have any suggestions???

  6. In article said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    (BuddhaThu) wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have this agility problem for a while. I could not run at great speeds or do my sprints without
    falling. So I tried a balance and coordination tactic. I walk backwards on the treadmill and do
    some free weights while standing on one leg.

    Whose leg are you standing on,

    The person who was using the treadmill, of course. He walked backwards and then stepped on the leg
    of the person using the treadmill, who wasn't too happy about it.

    Quoted message said:

    and do you get permission before you stand on it?

    That would explain the complaints.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflord

  7. "BuddhaThu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    But I am told not to do it because people have started to copy
    me. This is dumb.

    Ask yourself, "What would the Buddha do?"

    Who has told you not to do it? If some student hourly told you not to do it, I'd arrange for a
    meeting with someone in a managerial position. If someone in a managerial position told me not to do
    it, I'd make my point as clearly as possible and then learn to live with whatever guidelines they've
    set out. If gym users told me not to do it, I'd smile and say "whatever."

  8. Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]

    (BuddhaThu) said:

    Ok... This is a rant,but if I don't get it out, I am going to explode.


    SNIP the walking backwards routine. Does anybody have any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    suggestions???


    Walking or running forward will make you fit. Walking backward will make you unfit. That may be why
    your routine is causing problems at the local gym.

    Ken

  9. DrLith said:

    Ask yourself, "What would the Buddha do?"

    I think he'd open fire on the whole gym with an Uzi.

  10. "IMKen" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Walking or running forward will make you fit. Walking backward will make you unfit. That may be
    why your routine is causing problems at the local gym.

    Ken

    Yes, but if you overtrain, can you undo it by training backwards for a couple of days?

    Tom

  11. I work out with a woman like this. or you! I got shove out the door of a powerhouse gym after 5
    years and has not been back. I tried a month thing #60.00 at a small place an did it with out
    yelling at everything and everyone. after a big leg hurt. It all came back again. when one of the
    other woman like this. said (you have no idea, and I was once). I quit, you win. and I have not got
    1 pennied from any pro sports, management, sponsors and or any help from any charities or government
    help the needed and denide again from Un employment. The same old leagle thing a quarter tax denide
    form for 2 nd year, funny I neede this form last year and this year I got it and didn" evan try to
    get it. And still Builders and contractors use my name as a means too hee needs. yet too all use of
    my local resume nad here from talk of my name and my work train our still talk and used daily. I
    never made it two the 2nd week at this gym...... and can say I have not been in a gym since. I have
    never been happier and am perfectly satisfied with my life a below the floor hobo bum no job no life
    loser. today I already ate and sent out resumes, read on a novel and well start up again soon. fight
    go and pick up 10 cent cans in the hard all day rain. tick tock tick tock. nutrition in garbage
    brings needed supplements too growth. less police means more freedoms. and less firemen means. the
    investors well lose more billions from non sanction min wage 30 years labors. I volt yes. Let the
    200 pound [censored] fall on her face and sue the gym so it well turn to $1,000.00 a year for fighting to
    keep your stature. straight. wait what the F. this is the 20 east century. What do you think is
    going to happen. Get real. I am crawling under a rock and family and friends hold on two your balls
    because the sick and perverted old we'll attack every twitch fiber of your being just because you
    can walk on a treadmill. Oh yes and give your money to the gov. because they care.... I think they
    care is the truth. The only ones.

  12. Miss a,t.. u r the chosen one. A pleasure to see one who is so tune with life. a fine pitch only the
    string theory realm could understand. drink drano and die. tick tock tick tock

  13. Gee Tom, you insulted me with my own "drink drano" line. How original. Get back on your meds, and go
    buy a thesaurus, ya impotent moron.

  14. J lo said:
    DrLith said:

    Ask yourself, "What would the Buddha do?"

    I think he'd open fire on the whole gym with an Uzi.

    You gotta expect that in the Bush economy. Anytime you get a guy like Buddha forced to take a job so
    far beneath himself like at the post office, you have to expect that automatic weapons will soon
    come into play, one way or another. At the gym, work, or a shopping mall, it was inevitable.

  15. Quoted message said:

    I have this agility problem for a while. I could not run at great speeds or do my sprints without
    falling. So I tried a balance and coordination tactic. I walk backwards on the treadmill and do
    some free weights while standing on one leg. I do it safely, I do it with care, for all
    coordination and balance training will involve some dangers, about as much as lifting heavy
    weights. For a while, it worked. But I am told not to do it because people have started to copy
    me. This is dumb.

    You can get the same benefit by standing on one leg while you brush your teeth.

    I enjoy using a wobble board at Gold's Gym and have very slowly learned to balance on it, more for
    fun than fitness.

  16. Here a conflict. a while back during the shuttle re entering blow up. birds in the field of a god
    making. or the headless falconer/eagle and swan with a 180 turn of broken neck place. noi response.
    figures. brits/americans why would they care if sound travels from Texas to Michigan. rain do in
    1990 we were out by now. a freeze. now a conflict. So a little storied and bare with me. and noi
    response. A long metal shaft do make a nice ice fishing hole maker. Whats the point you say. I found
    it and the walkng plank too, A tele pole tat wire is taunt too tight can snap in time with 70 m.p.r.
    winds in long time force. So what you say. What if wire swings in frantic D F whips into a tree and
    rest for a while. So you say. What if a lightning storm follows. and then POP. your blood begines to
    turn purple. Do they have a name for what is wrong with me. yes. Hell bound or construction de
    layers in irac more like here in michigan or just don't feel patriotic at 4 or7 or 8 dollars
    rightttttttt how about zero..... and hour . To said some pop no power for three days. U think your
    area is secure when every were u look vulnerability is starring you in the face. again not a soul
    outside of my some house holds has gave me a pennied any way shape or form stupid you got 10 cent
    cans. mor then me....... I put in a zillion aplication for a job and I got zero zilt not a thing.
    evan if my name and what I am is being used by some old man voice on t.v. news local...... who I
    never met and he talks of/too me like were friends. no fing way....... or know off and the billion $
    sports two has gave me zero zip not evan a pennied in help. God dame. see I am supost to help them
    so they can get paid. I pick up 10 cent cans for a liveing and can kick ther fat ass. sorry
    rude.....not fat just so much food makes um. not has to [censored] in jar.... They smell. kill the
    workrs..... sorry bare with me. are the NfL Lions old man from birm Mi. still in last place.? and
    yes I well never do the 25%off espn thing. nota pennie. from local or pro sides..... doing all the
    sports bits on news . u probe don't know u just talk to some guy name Tom. he scores.... God why God
    in jesus name a man. at least they do has [censored] loads of money. they keep it all for them selfs. what
    the hell else is news [censored] on this again...sorry........ so how was your $200.00 lunch today news
    mum.? and tom he did is all he can say. again I don't know this ass whole.....sorry......? Now u say
    What the F? Here is the point... elec wire on tree pop. grid out. duaaaaaaaa o.kkkkkkkk weather prob
    not mine. what you think the electric co well say. only to other co to make his $100.00.00 a day and
    not get a god dame pennie my way....... oh I am sorry I pick up 10 cent cans to eat now since the
    makeing of the god. and I am happy as can be for what I am. in my own opinion. good luck out
    there.Nooo the hunters here are not shooting at
    me. the elec comp. has to devite there gas and gone to city of working lights too. I tried butt
    could not fine any. sure there personel stuff butt no persons..... they said if there [censored] and
    elec [censored] get attack. hey there boss ai... said all will pull out. UUUUUUU thinkkkkkkk. and
    still They do give 10 cent cans and still only ones working here our elec, blacktop only subs
    and driveways.homes here still has not sold over 2 years and still not done. some are hollw and
    zero paint on for 2nd year. signs on some gone fora half. and still zippo....... there more
    money in intr=ernet scams, and make garage house in free office space. a zillion for that
    house. righttttttt get a zillin in black top and only pay a million. and no green card help for
    2 days......... and take the 10 cent cans. U think I am kidding. this is the 20 east century
    folks....... who do think going to pay for this. them...........ha thats a fing joke..........
    I mean zero in 10 cent cans...... all new ones re not evan close being done and fore sales sign
    on them... look like [censored] work too.. and more subs to come. again alie a cheat and they give
    back zero....they want the money they can do the work againnnnnnnnnnnn. Conflic. u.s.a.
    financial take all the money pigs..... well not the 10 cent cans.... sorry I a, m.

  17. says the mouse to the snake. evan the fox follows the trail of the deer,dog,turky. drano is for
    annel clogs. gyms are for geeks who has not taste the realm of nature. this place is for arm chair
    warriors. What she said is very nice to not do the follow game. I wish this was true in runnin
    races. Do you think her stratigies would be the makeings of gods. or do you think an ak grandma arm
    chaire warrior is the real black angle. go to your gym and get your pertty lines on your skin. then
    tell it to the micro fungi or fox who a search well fine you a t.v. station of a billion of dollors
    yearly income. was not ment as an insult you annel sponcer moron.

  18. (Tom Wheeler) said:

    I work out with a woman like this. or you!

    Actually, I think he means he chases them, usually at a full run (in violation of the
    restraining order).

  19. Yeah, good suggestion. Well, right now, it is in the middle of winter. Winter in Pittsburgh can be
    quite unsafe. I am right now trying to do it at the local indoor track. Your gym sounds pretty cool.
    It is part of gym courtesy not to stare. But I find it sometimes very hard. It is not enough that
    athletes compete with one another, but normal weight reducers should not compete.

    I only started to run backwards because I could not get my heartrate any higher no matter how
    fast I run. Supposedly, running backwards will help with stamina and endurance as well as
    increase coordination. I only suggest to people who have to compete and who are working with
    personal trainers. While yes, it burns more calories, it can be quite, quite dangerous if people
    are not careful.

    Dot <dot.h@#att.net> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    BuddhaThu wrote:

    It has gotten to be such an

    Quoted message said:

    issue that the weight reducers are complaining and some are copying what the performance
    athletes are doing, which is dangerous.

    My $.01. Sounds like people need to focus on their own workout and not be concerned about what
    others are doing. Perhaps more supervision and/or education is in order for some folks?

    I haven't seen that problem where people try to copy other people's workouts. What I have seen is
    people (person A) using equipment in different ways than another person (B) has seen it used. B
    may either ask what they are doing to learn a new technique or politely offer to correct them if
    they think that A is doing it incorrectly. For example, I've used the back of a versaclimber as a
    shoulder workout (as taught by my PT), and several have asked about it - but no other takers.

    The fitness center where I used to go is really a PT place that lets people use their equipment
    for a very reasonable fee and no membership charge - so it's fairly mellow. Pretty much one of
    each piece of equipment so you don't see the rows of bikes in spin classes like in big-box gyms.
    It's probably lower key than commercial big-box gyms and not sure about universities. But we have
    to go through a brief orientation on how to use the equipment (I'm not sure it's a high quality
    orientation, but it is an intro for people that have never used the equipment.) If we haven't been
    in for a year, we have to go through the orientation again. They show you how to adjust the
    equipment to your size and get right weights, etc.

    Many of the users are PT graduates or people trying to get some exercise in low-key environment,
    but some are extremely fit people (what I call fitness freaks). Most walk on the treadmill, but
    one lady cranks it up both slope and speed and goes for it. Most people get along and do their own
    thing without anybody trying to copy others. People are encouraged to ask if they've forgotten how
    to do something.

    Quoted message said:


    I have this agility problem for a while. I could not run at great speeds or do my sprints
    without falling. So I tried a balance and coordination tactic. I walk backwards on the treadmill
    and do some free weights while standing on one leg. I do it safely, I do it with care, for all
    coordination and balance training will involve some dangers, about as much as lifting heavy
    weights. For a while, it worked. But I am told not to do it because people have started to copy
    me. This is dumb.

    Depending upon what they are copying, I would think the attendants should offer to instruct the
    others properly in a new skill. If the attendants aren't familiar with it, then maybe you could
    show them or show them a reference or whatever - IF it's appropriate.

    I've not done backwards walking on a treadmill, but we run backwards normally, high steps, butt
    flicks, and skipping with many 180 deg turns on a gym mat (like gymnastics floor exercise mat).
    Something like this might be more appropriate for the others (or even you) if there's facilities
    there. And I think we all did our fair share of wipe outs when we were learning - but the mat's a
    fairly forgiving surface. Our coach has a routine on either the treadmill or stairmaster where he
    does things in assorted directions (front, back, side) with /without weights. Absolutely none of
    us try it 😉

    For the single leg balance with free weights, perhaps someone can instruct them in proprioception
    exercises - which is certainly useful for all levels. They're not seeing the steps you went
    through leading up to where you are now. Someone needs to show/explain that to them - or at least
    give them a handout. Start with single-leg balance, then squat, then add leg movements in all
    directions, then close eyes, then add unstable surface, then add weights, if desired - and a
    wobble board if available. I do these at home or in office 4-6 days a week and sometimes while
    standing in grocery lines, but I'm not up to weights yet. How to start a progression of exercises
    like this is something I would think the gym attendants or personal trainers or somebody should be
    capable of explaining. And if the people aren't willing to go through the progression and learn
    properly, I don't think that the attendants should limit what you do because someone else isn't
    serious about their exercise. Or find another gym. My PT started me on proprioception exercises
    (foot/snkles not functioning properly) and I've progressed from there.

    Quoted message said:


    Has anyone ever experienced this? I cannot afford nor have room for a treadmill. I can do the
    free weights routine fairly well in my own home, but not the walking backwards routine. Does
    anybody have any suggestions???

    Can you do this on your lawn (barefoot gives you more bank for your buck) or in an office hallway?

    But I would think the best way would be to educate the people who are suggesting you not do these
    and perhaps the others?

    Just a thought.

    I'll admit we have pretty mellow groups as far as getting along in a gym are concerned, BUT you
    really don't want to get in anybody's way when we're in motion 😉 And I haven't been to any of the
    open sessions at commercial gyms to know how they compare. Our xt is a special session at local,
    family owned gym.

    Dot

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Pier-14 said:

    Have you ever met Larry Fitsgerald in the weight room at Pitt? I saw him play against Rutgers and
    was amazed. I think his hands are made of velcro or something. He has as good a shot at the
    Heisman Trophy as anyone.

    College varsity football teams--Division I, anyway--have their OWN weight rooms, where the students
    who are actually in school to learn something are not allowed to tread.

    --Harold Buck

    "I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."

    - Homer J. Simpson

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