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Re: Very unusual WR for Lenton

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  1. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Maybe this will help you get over the first "hurdle" and on your way
    with the homework:

    http://www.adn.com/life/story/3544678p-3575664c.html

    No good. Can't tell how much time Lenton gained from that. Try again.

    This is always the same study which has been discussed here, and which can
    be found at:
    http://www.coachesinfo.com/category/swimming/329/

    In my opinion, not much value in this study.

    They tow a passive subject to lead, and then make various measures on an
    active subject trying to draft the leader.

    But in a real swimming situation, the leader is not passive: he is pulling
    and kicking. And this makes a huge differencve: the leader has to push water
    behind him, which means he has to create a stream in the opposite direction
    of his move. This obviously is a strong disadvantage for the drafting
    subject: reminder: a swimmer of mass M moving forward with velocity V must
    push backward a mass m of water with medium velocity v, and MV + mv = 0.

    By ignoring the opposite stream created by the leading swimmer in a real
    swimming situation, this study could grossly exagerate the advantage of
    drafting.

    -- Olivier

  2. Silver0l said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Maybe this will help you get over the first "hurdle" and on your way
    with the homework:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.adn.com/life/story/3544678p-3575664c.html

    Quoted message said:

    No good. Can't tell how much time Lenton gained from that. Try again.

    This is always the same study which has been discussed here, and which can
    be found at:http://www.coachesinfo.com/category/swimming/329/

    In my opinion, not much value in this study.

    They tow a passive subject to lead, and then make various measures on an
    active subject trying to draft the leader.

    But in a real swimming situation, the leader is not passive: he is pulling
    and kicking. And this makes a huge differencve: the leader has to push water
    behind him, which means he has to create a stream in the opposite direction
    of his move. This obviously is a strong disadvantage for the drafting
    subject: reminder: a swimmer of mass M moving forward with velocity V must
    push backward a mass m of water with medium velocity v, and MV + mv = 0.

    By ignoring the opposite stream created by the leading swimmer in a real
    swimming situation, this study could grossly exagerate the advantage of
    drafting.

    Yes, it's impossible to know all the complexities of the currents
    produced by Phelps's arms, feet and body, the influence of the lane
    rope, the reflections near the wall etc. on Lenton in the lane next
    door. The idea that you can get a video of the race and figure it all
    out even approximately is ridiculous.

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