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Robert Siegel said:

My guess: Jesus would be living in a slum in Rome/Salt Lake City/ London/ Wherever.

When he walked into the Great Mother Church ... what would hit the fan? My guess: every church
leader in sight.

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. -
Mohandas Gandhi

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

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JEGARH said:

Originally posted by Tj Theismen "Lorenzo L. Love"

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>You may consider $3,000 to be too expensive, but I think it's a good deal. That's all that
>matters to me.

Well said, LLL.

Something is worth what you are willing to pay for it.

If you have to worry about the price then you can't afford it.

Jerry

I didn't write any of the above. If you are in the habit of paying

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what things are worth, then it will not be long before you can not afford anything. But even if
you are so wealthy that the money doesn't matter, there is an ethical consideration. Look at it
this way: You

can

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spend $3000 and brag to your neighbors about how much you spent or you can buy a comparative
bicycle for half as much and quietly give the difference to charity. Conspicuous consumption or
helping the needy.

We

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know what the typical American would come down firmly on the side of conspicuous consumption. What
would Jesus do?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"There is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed." Mohandas K. Gandhi

Your misconceptions make you look really silly.

The culture of conspicuous consumption is a misconception in the land of the Hummer?

"There is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed." Mohandas K. Gandhi

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I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. -
Mohandas Gandhi

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I think that's is one of the most clever remarks I've ever "heard". And so F'ing true.

Lorenzo, you've truly outdone yourself this time. You've stated that Bigha is a piece of [censored] and it
gets positive reviews. Then you say it's overpriced and nobody in their right mind will buy it, and
somebody comes forward to say he owns one and it's worth every penny.

Now owning a Bigha is wasteful, unethical and blasphemus. Way to go, you've graduated from Troll to
Jihadist! I think you need to chill and maybe think about something other than Bigha for a day.

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JEGARH said:

Originally posted by Tj Theismen "Lorenzo L. Love" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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You may consider $3,000 to be too expensive, but I think it's a good deal. That's all that
matters to me.

Well said, LLL.

Something is worth what you are willing to pay for it.

If you have to worry about the price then you can't afford it.

Jerry

I didn't write any of the above. If you are in the habit of paying twice what things are worth,
then it will not be long before you can not afford anything. But even if you are so wealthy that
the money doesn't matter, there is an ethical consideration. Look at it this way: You can spend
$3000 and brag to your neighbors about how much you spent or you can buy a comparative bicycle for
half as much and quietly give the difference to charity. Conspicuous consumption or helping the
needy. We know what the typical American would come down firmly on the side of conspicuous
consumption. What would Jesus do?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"There is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed." Mohandas K. Gandhi

I think we should check on the color of the bike. If it's red then we know TJ is a godless commie
mole planted in our midst.

Why I just bet he has been waiting for the right time to break upon the scene and urge us into a
spending spree. Once this country has bankrupted itself on conspicuous consumerism, then the
communist party will re-emerge and start upon it's halted plan of world domination.

When the dust has finally cleared we will find that the BiGHA is actually made by Yugo and is only
worth $1.25. Dear God, if only we had listened to
L.L.L.

William Higley, Sr. Vision R-50 RANS Rocket

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JEGARH wrote:

>Originally posted by Tj Theismen "Lorenzo L. Love"

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>>You may consider $3,000 to be too expensive, but I think it's a good deal. That's all that
>>matters to me.
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>Well said, LLL.
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>Something is worth what you are willing to pay for it.
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>If you have to worry about the price then you can't afford it.
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>Jerry

I didn't write any of the above. If you are in the habit of paying

twice

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what things are worth, then it will not be long before you can not afford anything. But even if
you are so wealthy that the money doesn't matter, there is an ethical consideration. Look at it
this way: You

can

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spend $3000 and brag to your neighbors about how much you spent or you can buy a comparative
bicycle for half as much and quietly give the difference to charity. Conspicuous consumption or
helping the needy.

We

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know what the typical American would come down firmly on the side of conspicuous consumption.
What would Jesus do?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"There is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed." Mohandas K. Gandhi

Your misconceptions make you look really silly.

The culture of conspicuous consumption is a misconception in the land of the Hummer?

"There is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed." Mohandas K. Gandhi

Lawrence Turner said:

Lorenzo, you've truly outdone yourself this time. You've stated that Bigha is a piece of [censored] and
it gets positive reviews. Then you say it's overpriced and nobody in their right mind will buy it,
and somebody comes forward to say he owns one and it's worth every penny.

Now owning a Bigha is wasteful, unethical and blasphemus. Way to go, you've graduated from Troll
to Jihadist! I think you need to chill and maybe think about something other than Bigha for a day.

You are quite simply lying. I have never said that the Bigha was "a piece of [censored]", in fact I have
several times said it looked like a good bike - if it was in the $1200 to $1500 price range of
comparative bikes. Every positive review posted has been by someone who was given a Bigha for review
for free. Give me any thing for free and I'll tell you it was great for the price I paid. So far
(excluding the attempts at deception) we have heard from one single person who has said they have
paid full price, and he has declined to give any details about the bike or any info about why he
purchase a Bigha rather then a comparative bike at a much cheaper price or a much higher performance
bike at a comparative price, other then he just likes it and thinks it's nice.

This shows how far people will go to justify the culture of conspicuous consumption.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"There is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed." Mohandas K. Gandhi

Oh come on! I don't know anyone that owns a Hummer. I've seen ONE in our city of 300,000. They sell
MABYE 10,000? of those a year. So everyone in Holland hangs out in the coffeehouses and smokes hash
right? All Germans are really secret Nazi sympathizers? All Italians are hot headed and passionate?
(well ok, maybe that one's true) Gezzus, do you try to pigeonhole EVERYONE you meet?

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The culture of conspicuous consumption is a misconception in the land of the Hummer?

"There is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed." Mohandas K. Gandhi

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My guess: Jesus would be living in a slum in Rome/Salt Lake City/ London/ Wherever.

When he walked into the Great Mother Church ... what would hit the fan? My guess: every church
leader in sight.

Gatorized Bob Siegel in Gainesville FL

Am I detecting an anti-Christian bigotry here on ARBR? I am guessing that maybe Mr. Siegel is Jewish
which may account for his hatred of Christians, but is it really acceptable that we should all just
sit here and listen to [censored] like this? I am not aware that the Christian leadership is any different
than is the Jewish leadership, human nature being what it is. The only religious leadership that I
ever thought was not up to a minimum standard was that of the Muslim religion. Maybe Mr. Siegel
would like to make a comment about that rather than taking cheap shots at the Christians.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Lawrence Turner said:

Lorenzo, you've truly outdone yourself this time. You've stated that Bigha is a piece of [censored]
and it gets positive reviews. Then you say it's overpriced and nobody in their right mind will
buy it, and somebody comes forward to say he owns one and it's worth every penny.

Now owning a Bigha is wasteful, unethical and blasphemus. Way to go, you've graduated from
Troll to Jihadist! I think you need to chill and maybe think about something other than Bigha
for a day.

You are quite simply lying. I have never said that the Bigha was "a piece of [censored]", in fact I have
several times said it looked like a good bike - if it was in the $1200 to $1500 price range of
comparative bikes. Every positive review posted has been by someone who was given a Bigha for
review for free. Give me any thing for free and I'll tell you it was great for the price I paid.
So far (excluding the attempts at deception) we have heard from one single person who has said
they have paid full price, and he has declined to give any details about the bike or any info
about why he purchase a Bigha rather then a comparative bike at a much cheaper price or a much
higher performance bike at a comparative price, other then he just likes it and thinks it's nice.

This shows how far people will go to justify the culture of conspicuous consumption.

Lorenzo L. Love

Hang in there Lorenzo! You are the only one making any sense on this subject thread. I am taking
notes on your methods of argumentation, but it is your sound thinking that amazes me the most. I
would be constantly getting sidetracked by all the asides, but I note how you stay on the subject
come hell or high water. Frankly, I am not looking forward to tangling with you but I suspect it is
bound to happen sooner or later.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. -
Mohandas Gandhi

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I think that's is one of the most clever remarks I've ever "heard". And so F'ing true.

that bit of drivel posted here on ARBR every time someone gets to feeling holier than thou. Gandhi
hardly got anything in his life right. He was a mess.

Instead of attacking and berating Christians, maybe you could say a few words about the Muslims,
including the extremists who are wreaking all the havoc in the world today. But as always you have
your head screwed on crooked and so you can't ever get anything right. Congratulations. I admire
people who are consistent about things, even if consistently wrong.

Only cowards and scoundrels beat up on Christians because it is OK and politically correct to do so.
Why don't you show some courage and try beating up on a group who are not so politically correct,
like maybe the Muslims for instance. All this anti-Christian [censored] here is disgusting - and why
pretend to have a reverence for Jesus Christ? You are lying about that the same as you are lying
about his followers. The Devil take you!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Newsflash: product reviews are given by reporters who do not purchase the product. A review by a
customer wouldn't exactly be objective, now would it? Why don't you write to your favorite magazine
or TV show and ask them how many of their products they reviewed were actually paid for?

As for Mr Theismen (the Bigha owner), isn't having a "nice" bike that he likes justification enough?
He said he's tried other bents and did not find them as nice as the Bigha. If you really wanted more
specifics you could have asked, but you failed to.

It seems to me Lorenzo L. Love, that you've just about run out of circles.

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Lawrence Turner said:

Lorenzo, you've truly outdone yourself this time. You've stated that Bigha is a piece of [censored]
and it gets positive reviews. Then you say it's overpriced and nobody in their right mind will
buy it, and somebody comes forward to say he owns one and it's worth every penny.

Now owning a Bigha is wasteful, unethical and blasphemus. Way to go, you've graduated from
Troll to Jihadist! I think you need to chill and maybe think about something other than Bigha
for a day.

You are quite simply lying. I have never said that the Bigha was "a piece of [censored]", in fact I have
several times said it looked like a good bike - if it was in the $1200 to $1500 price range of
comparative bikes. Every positive review posted has been by someone who was given a Bigha for
review for free. Give me any thing for free and I'll tell you it was great for the price I paid.
So far (excluding the attempts at deception) we have heard from one single person who has said
they have paid full price, and he has declined to give any details about the bike or any info
about why he purchase a Bigha rather then a comparative bike at a much cheaper price or a much
higher performance bike at a comparative price, other then he just likes it and thinks it's nice.

This shows how far people will go to justify the culture of conspicuous consumption.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"There is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed." Mohandas K. Gandhi

Lawrence Turner said:

Newsflash: product reviews are given by reporters who do not purchase the product. A review by a
customer wouldn't exactly be objective, now would it? Why don't you write to your favorite
magazine or TV show and ask them how many of their products they reviewed were actually paid for?

As for Mr Theismen (the Bigha owner), isn't having a "nice" bike that he likes justification
enough? He said he's tried other bents and did not find them as nice as the Bigha. If you really
wanted more specifics you could have asked, but you failed to.

It seems to me Lorenzo L. Love, that you've just about run out of circles.

Lying again. I asked the specific questions "Why did you decide to spend that much when there are
other much cheaper bikes that are in the same class? In what way is this bike superior to similar
but much less expensive bikes? In what way is this bike the equal to similarly priced but much
higher performance bikes?" His answers were quite vague and boil down to he just likes it better.

There seems to be no end to the lies Mr. Turner will spew to defend a bicycle he himself does not
deem worth purchasing. Is he counting on a free review model?

Free review product placement is why most reviews are not worthwhile. Only the few reviewers
like the Consumers Union who pay full retail and accept no advertising can be judged impartial
and honest.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"There is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed." Mohandas K. Gandhi

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Lawrence Turner said:

Lorenzo, you've truly outdone yourself this time. You've stated that Bigha is a piece of [censored] and
it gets positive reviews. Then you say it's overpriced and nobody in their right mind will buy
it, and somebody comes forward to say he owns one and it's worth every penny.

Now owning a Bigha is wasteful, unethical and blasphemus. Way to go, you've graduated from
Troll to Jihadist! I think you need to chill and maybe think about something other than Bigha
for a day.

You are quite simply lying. I have never said that the Bigha was "a piece of [censored]", in fact I have
several times said it looked like a good bike - if it was in the $1200 to $1500 price range of
comparative bikes. Every positive review posted has been by someone who was given a Bigha for
review for free. Give me any thing for free and I'll tell you it was great for the price I paid.
So far (excluding the attempts at deception) we have heard from one single person who has said
they have paid full price, and he has declined to give any details about the bike or any info
about why he purchase a Bigha rather then a comparative bike at a much cheaper price or a much
higher performance bike at a comparative price, other then he just likes it and thinks it's nice.

This shows how far people will go to justify the culture of conspicuous consumption.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"There is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed." Mohandas K. Gandhi

William Higley said:

I think we should check on the color of the bike. If it's red then we know TJ is a godless commie
mole planted in our midst.

Why I just bet he has been waiting for the right time to break upon the scene and urge us into a
spending spree. Once this country has bankrupted itself on conspicuous consumerism, then the
communist party will re-emerge and start upon it's halted plan of world domination....

Dang, they're on to us!

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth RED Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]

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I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
- Mohandas Gandhi

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I think that's is one of the most clever remarks I've ever "heard". And so F'ing true.

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Only cowards and scoundrels beat up on Christians because it is OK and politically correct
to do so.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

I'm not a religious guy, at least not in the orthodox sense, but I do respect the religion of others
as long as they aren't trying to shoot me or blow up the place where I work. Christians for sure
aren't on the P.C. protected list so you will see this sort of anti-Christian stuff posted here.
They do it because they can get away with it.

White southern rural guys (rednecks) have always considered political correctness a hoot. We know if
liberals will slur and stereotype us they will slur and stereotype others. We are also amused by the
recently assigned P.C. protection for rednecks. It seems in their endless vote counting liberals
discovered they didn't get a single redneck vote. A handful of redneck votes and they would be in
power. Recognizing this they have extended their P.C. protection to us. We are now and hence forth
to be referred to as "NASCAR Dads" with no slurring or stereotyping allowed. And yes Tom, you must
capitalize NASCAR. We are most assuredly laughing out loud.

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I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
- Mohandas Gandhi

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I think that's is one of the most clever remarks I've ever "heard". And so F'ing true.

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that bit of drivel posted here on ARBR every time someone gets to feeling holier than thou....

For Mr. Dolan's benefit:

"It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of
Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice." -
Mohandas Gandhi

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

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... And yes Tom, you must capitalize NASCAR. We are most assuredly laughing out loud.

I thought it was NA$CAR.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

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$kip said:

... And yes Tom, you must capitalize NASCAR. We are most assuredly laughing out loud.

I thought it was NA$CAR.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Some of us think so, yes. The love of money has driven the sport away from its southern roots.

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I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. -
Mohandas Gandhi

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I think that's is one of the most clever remarks I've ever "heard". And so F'ing true.

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that bit of drivel posted here on ARBR every time someone gets to feeling holier than thou. Gandhi
hardly got anything in his life right. He was a mess.

Instead of attacking and berating Christians, maybe you could say a few words about the Muslims,
including the extremists who are wreaking all the havoc in the world today. But as always you have
your head screwed on crooked and so you can't ever get anything right. Congratulations. I admire
people who are consistent about things, even if consistently wrong.

Only cowards and scoundrels beat up on Christians because it is OK and politically correct to do
so. Why don't you show some courage and try beating up on a group who are not so politically
correct, like maybe the Muslims for instance. All this anti-Christian [censored] here is disgusting -
and why pretend to have a reverence for Jesus Christ? You are lying about that the same as you are
lying about his followers. The Devil take you!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. -
Mohandas Gandhi

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I think that's is one of the most clever remarks I've ever "heard". And so F'ing true.

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that bit of drivel posted here on ARBR every time someone gets to feeling holier than thou. Gandhi
hardly got anything in his life right. He was a mess.

Instead of attacking and berating Christians, maybe you could say a few words about the Muslims,
including the extremists who are wreaking all the havoc in the world today. But as always you have
your head screwed on crooked and so you can't ever get anything right. Congratulations. I admire
people who are consistent about things, even if consistently wrong.

Only cowards and scoundrels beat up on Christians because it is OK and politically correct to do
so. Why don't you show some courage and try beating up on a group who are not so politically
correct, like maybe the Muslims for instance. All this anti-Christian [censored] here is disgusting -
and why pretend to have a reverence for Jesus Christ? You are lying about that the same as you are
lying about his followers. The Devil take you!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Only morons and WEAK believers have ANY TROUBLE laughing at themselves or looking at what their
fellow followers ACTUALLY DO. Which do you fall under? Both I would guess.

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> I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
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I think that's is one of the most clever remarks I've ever "heard". And so F'ing true.

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Only cowards and scoundrels beat up on Christians because it is OK and politically correct
to do so.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

I'm not a religious guy, at least not in the orthodox sense, but I do respect the religion of
others as long as they aren't trying to shoot me or blow up the place where I work. Christians for
sure aren't on the P.C. protected list so you will see this sort of anti-Christian stuff posted
here. They do it because they can get away with it.

White southern rural guys (rednecks) have always considered political correctness a hoot. We know
if liberals will slur and stereotype us they will slur and stereotype others. We are also amused
by the recently assigned P.C. protection for rednecks. It seems in their endless vote counting
liberals discovered they didn't get a single redneck vote. A handful of redneck votes and they
would be in power. Recognizing this they have extended their P.C. protection to us. We are now and
hence forth to be referred to as "NASCAR Dads" with no slurring or stereotyping allowed. And yes
Tom, you must capitalize NASCAR. We are most assuredly laughing out loud.

skip

I am Lutheran and attended parochial school from K -12. I attend church on a semi-regular basis
and AM a Christian in every sense of the word EXCEPT for being tolerant of redneck [censored] like
you. Here's a concept that I'm sure you're not familiar with, PEOPLE WITH CONFIDENCE AND FAITH IN
THEIR BELIEFS AREN'T AFRAID TO POKE FUN AT THEMSELVES OR LOOK AT THEIR BELIEFS WITH AN OBJECTIVE
POINT OF VIEW.