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  1. notbob said:
    Steve Wertz said:

    Seriously, though. Doesn't every know there's a chat room
    available at all times of the day and that you can check it just
    like you do Usenet and email?

    Not everyone hangs out on irc 24/7. Sometimes we drop in to find no
    one there. Others, I suspect, do the same, so we end up missing each
    other. Posting in rfc that folks are in irc is just an invite. Feel
    free to ignore it.


    Ditto! I don't post about being in chat very much, but I'm there
    pretty often (especially on the weekends). As a matter of fact, I'm
    going to pop in right tonight and see what's cooking in rfc chat!
    Last night, I tuned into chat after 10PM PST and found boli there. If
    newbies had the patience to stick around more than a minute or two,
    they will usuallysomeone else will pop in after a while.

    I'm not advocating tuning into chat and staring at the screen if no
    one is there - fer heaven's sake! MULTITASK... I never use a full
    screen for any program. Tile your windows so you can see when
    someone else comes in.

    --
    See return address to reply by email

  2. Mark Thorson wrote:
    <snips)

    Quoted message said:


    Camphor is used in some topical
    creams for back pain, which creates
    skin inflammation (which feels like
    heat) for a similar purpose.

    Over the weekend, there was some news on TV about a high school girl who
    apparently died from an overdose of "Methyl salicylate" (is that related
    to camphor?), which is used in many topical creams for muscle pain
    (think Bengay). Here's a link to the story --
    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/highschool/news/story?id=2900337 -- or
    one can google with the terms "bengay high school death" or something
    similar.

    I've never heard of anything like this before (not that it can't
    happen), nor did I know that cinnamon was potentially toxic either!

    Sky, who hopes everything in moderation is not a bad thing

  3. Skyhooks said:

    Mark Thorson wrote:
    <snips)

    Quoted message said:


    Camphor is used in some topical
    creams for back pain, which creates
    skin inflammation (which feels like
    heat) for a similar purpose.

    Over the weekend, there was some news on TV about a high school girl who
    apparently died from an overdose of "Methyl salicylate" (is that related
    to camphor?), which is used in many topical creams for muscle pain
    (think Bengay). Here's a link to the story --
    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/highschool/news/story?id=2900337 -- or
    one can google with the terms "bengay high school death" or something
    similar.

    I've never heard of anything like this before (not that it can't
    happen), nor did I know that cinnamon was potentially toxic either!

    Sky, who hopes everything in moderation is not a bad thing

    Are you talking about the athlete who put some sort of rub on her
    aching muscles and died? I think we'll have more details for that
    story in a later.

    --
    See return address to reply by email

  4. "Skyhooks" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Over the weekend, there was some news on TV about a high school girl who
    apparently died from an overdose of "Methyl salicylate" (is that related
    to camphor?), which is used in many topical creams for muscle pain
    (think Bengay). Here's a link to the story --
    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/highschool/news/story?id=2900337 -- or
    one can google with the terms "bengay high school death" or something
    similar.

    I've never heard of anything like this before (not that it can't
    happen), nor did I know that cinnamon was potentially toxic either!

    I don't know where I read that, but I did learn quickly that it's best to
    buy cinnamon supplements rather than just take it [censored]-nilly. Could be
    I read it in one of those Dr. columns.

    Interesting, in the article the mother said she didn't know that over-the-
    counter medications could be dangerous. I guess a lot of people think
    that way, I know I was surprised at how toxic Tylenol type pain killers
    are. You just know people pop those without a second thought to
    reading the dosage.

    nancy

  5. Nancy Young said:

    Interesting, in the article the mother said she didn't know that over-the-
    counter medications could be dangerous. I guess a lot of people think
    that way, I know I was surprised at how toxic Tylenol type pain killers
    are. You just know people pop those without a second thought to
    reading the dosage.

    nancy

    Or taking beer or wine with them, although the case in which a man's
    liver was destroyed by doing so was well-publicized years back, and I
    think it's in the print on the packet now.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  6. "Giusi" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Nancy Young said:

    Interesting, in the article the mother said she didn't know that
    over-the-
    counter medications could be dangerous. I guess a lot of people think
    that way, I know I was surprised at how toxic Tylenol type pain killers
    are. You just know people pop those without a second thought to
    reading the dosage.

    Quoted message said:

    Or taking beer or wine with them, although the case in which a man's liver
    was destroyed by doing so was well-publicized years back, and I think it's
    in the print on the packet now.

    Absolutely, and who reads that fine print? Not me. Also, and I
    know how this sounds, but I don't think I've ever noticed medication
    use instructions that didn't say Don't take with alcohol. Sometimes
    they mean it more than others. You get the idea they just put it on there
    to cover their ass, after a while.

    I saw some alarming statistic of what percentage of people on the
    liver transplant list are there because of misuse of Tylenol. I don't
    think that danger is played up enough, they don't even mention it
    in those ads that warn you to read the label.

    nancy

  7. Nancy Young said:


    Absolutely, and who reads that fine print? Not me. Also, and I
    know how this sounds, but I don't think I've ever noticed medication
    use instructions that didn't say Don't take with alcohol. Sometimes
    they mean it more than others. You get the idea they just put it on
    there to cover their ass, after a while.

    I saw some alarming statistic of what percentage of people on the
    liver transplant list are there because of misuse of Tylenol. I don't
    think that danger is played up enough, they don't even mention it
    in those ads that warn you to read the label.

    nancy

    Nancy, you are absolutely correct. And I'm the type of person of whom
    you're referring to. My liver damage isn't all due to my iron disorder
    called hemochromatosis. When I told the doctors that from about age 8 on, I
    was prescribed 1800 mg of Ibuprofin every 4 hours during my periods because
    I had such bad cramps, their eyes lit up in horror. I didn't know at the
    time that between the pain relievers and the food I was eating (dark green
    veggies, chicken and beef), I was killing myself. I finally stopped taking
    that many pain pills only about 10 years ago. That's about 28 years of
    abuse on food and pills alone.

    Tylenol, Ibuprofin, Aleve - most pain relievers are *terrible* for your
    liver. I can only take aspirin now. When I was in the hospital, it was very
    difficult for them to give me anything for the pain that didn't affect liver
    function, so I had to have dilaudil. I've also worked with chemicals, in
    the past, and didn't use gloves. Bleach, cleansers, paint thinners, various
    toxic solubles, laminates....all those get absorbed into your skin and go
    directly to your liver. Add a few years of some hard core drinking in there
    and you have a recipe for disaster. I am currently that disaster. I've
    been given less than 5 years to live if I don't get a transplant and I'm not
    even 40 yet.

    What bothers me about the warning labels is that they don't tell you WHY you
    shouldn't mix product A with product B. Okay, here's a prime example. I
    wear hard contacts and my eyes get dry sometimes. I go for the Visine. The
    label on the Visine container specifically says "Do not use if you wear
    contacts." Why? So I say screw it and use it anyway. Am I going to go
    blind, now, too?

    A little education goes a long way and I think the general public ignores
    it. I know *I* did. I'm much more careful now and I take herbal
    supplements that help to regenerate damaged liver functions. I've changed
    my diet, I only use aspirin for pain, and I use natural "chemicals" for
    cleaning. I'm hoping these lifestyle changes will buy me a couple more
    years.

    Okay, that's the end of my rant. Now move along. :~)

    kili

  8. kilikini said:
    Steve Wertz said:

    I'm allergic to a bunch of stuff, but I really don't think this
    is an allergy. I think I came into contact with something
    natural or chemical.

    I'm allergic to a bunch of stuff, so I have the CostCo-size jar
    of Diphenhydramine ($3.96 for 400 of them), The CostCo-size jug
    of Famotadine, and a couple of the stogie-sized injections of
    Epinephrine.

    They should have at least gave me some Ephinephrine if they
    really thought it was an allergic reaction.

    So did they say ANYTHING difinitive?

    Yes. They said, "No" when I asked for something for the itch
    (that is more of a pain than an itch).

    -sw

  9. Goomba38 said:
    Steve Wertz said:

    They should have at least gave me some Ephinephrine if they
    really thought it was an allergic reaction.

    No they shouldn't have. If you weren't going into anaphalactic shock,
    why would they give that to you? Why put your heart through that
    unnecessarily?
    Benadryl and the prednisone should do the trick.

    They've done it all the other times I've broken out in
    hives/rashes.

    -sw

  10. kilikini said:
    Steve Wertz said:
    Christine Dabney said:

    On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:56:59 -0500, Steve Wertz
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Doctors are useless. They just gave me some Prednisone and
    > scooted me out the door. In the meantime it just gets worse.
    > I'll probably be back there again tomorrow.
    Take some Benadryl.

    And if start having any difficulty breathing, or swallowing, go to
    the ER fast. I hope they at least told you that.


    I'm allergic to a bunch of stuff, but I really don't think this
    is an allergy. I think I came into contact with something
    natural or chemical.

    I'm allergic to a bunch of stuff, so I have the CostCo-size jar
    of Diphenhydramine ($3.96 for 400 of them), The CostCo-size jug
    of Famotadine, and a couple of the stogie-sized injections of
    Epinephrine.

    They should have at least gave me some Ephinephrine if they
    really thought it was an allergic reaction.

    -sw

    So did they say ANYTHING difinitive?

    kili


    Do not mix epheinephrine with Prednisone. I did to my shock and regret.
    I thought I was going to die!
    Lorne

  11. kilikini said:
    Nancy Young said:

    Absolutely, and who reads that fine print? Not me. Also, and I
    know how this sounds, but I don't think I've ever noticed medication
    use instructions that didn't say Don't take with alcohol. Sometimes
    they mean it more than others. You get the idea they just put it on
    there to cover their ass, after a while.

    Quoted message said:

    I saw some alarming statistic of what percentage of people on the
    liver transplant list are there because of misuse of Tylenol. I don't
    think that danger is played up enough, they don't even mention it
    in those ads that warn you to read the label.

    Quoted message said:

    nancy

    Nancy, you are absolutely correct. And I'm the type of person of whom
    you're referring to. My liver damage isn't all due to my iron disorder
    calledhemochromatosis. When I told the doctors that from about age 8 on, I
    was prescribed 1800 mg of Ibuprofin every 4 hours during my periods because
    I had such bad cramps, their eyes lit up in horror. I didn't know at the
    time that between the pain relievers and the food I was eating (dark green
    veggies, chicken and beef), I was killing myself. I finally stopped taking
    that many pain pills only about 10 years ago. That's about 28 years of
    abuse on food and pills alone.

    Tylenol, Ibuprofin, Aleve - most pain relievers are *terrible* for your
    liver. I can only take aspirin now. When I was in the hospital, it was very
    difficult for them to give me anything for the pain that didn't affect liver
    function, so I had to have dilaudil. I've also worked with chemicals, in
    the past, and didn't use gloves. Bleach, cleansers, paint thinners, various
    toxic solubles, laminates....all those get absorbed into your skin and go
    directly to your liver. Add a few years of some hard core drinking in there
    and you have a recipe for disaster. I am currently that disaster. I've
    been given less than 5 years to live if I don't get a transplant and I'm not
    even 40 yet.

    What bothers me about the warning labels is that they don't tell you WHY you
    shouldn't mix product A with product B. Okay, here's a prime example. I
    wear hard contacts and my eyes get dry sometimes. I go for the Visine. The
    label on the Visine container specifically says "Do not use if you wear
    contacts." Why? So I say screw it and use it anyway. Am I going to go
    blind, now, too?

    A little education goes a long way and I think the general public ignores
    it. I know *I* did. I'm much more careful now and I take herbal
    supplements that help to regenerate damaged liver functions. I've changed
    my diet, I only use aspirin for pain, and I use natural "chemicals" for
    cleaning. I'm hoping these lifestyle changes will buy me a couple more
    years.

    Okay, that's the end of my rant. Now move along. :~)

    kili

    Hemochromatosis and Phlebotomy - Blog is still live

    Hi

    Just to let you know that our blog is still open for a few days. The
    discussion has changed in the last few days so we would like to take
    this opportunity to invite you again to a research blog (again) on
    Hemochromatosis.

    To take part please click this link

    http://www.thepatientconnections.com/blog.asp?uid=44

    The blog is anonymous and easy to use. Instructions are given on the
    blog so thanks in advance for your help it is much appreciated.

    Best wishes

    Belinda
    The Patient Connection
    [email hidden]

  12. kilikini said:
    Nancy Young said:


    I wear hard contacts and my eyes get dry sometimes. I go
    for the Visine. The label on the Visine container specifically says
    "Do not use if you wear contacts." Why? So I say screw it and use
    it anyway. Am I going to go blind, now, too?


    No, it's because it will ruin your contact lenses and you'll have to pay for
    new ones way too soon. They make a special Visine formula for contact
    wearers (or at least, they used to). I just splash saline solution in my
    eyes (whether I'm wearing my contacts or not).

    Quoted message said:

    A little education goes a long way and I think the general public
    ignores it. I know *I* did. I'm much more careful now and I take
    herbal supplements that help to regenerate damaged liver functions.

    I am not convinced that herbal does a darn thing to help liver regeneration
    so I don't take it. And I was very alarmed by a news report where some
    woman's friend had recommended she take Ginko Biloba to help with memory
    loss. The woman who took it didn't tell or ask her doctor about it. She
    was already on prescription blood thinners and Ginko Biloba is a natural
    blood thinner, so she could have done herself some real harm. Taking
    herbals just because a friend says it works for them is not a good idea.

    Having said all that, my doctor knows exactly what prescriptions I take and
    he knows I drink wine and beer, too, although (contrary to popular belief) I
    don't do it on a daily basis. When I have trouble sleeping he has
    absolutely no problem with my taking a couple of valerian root capsules (or
    drinking valeriana tea) before bedtime rather than him prescribing something
    to help me sleep.

    Quoted message said:

    I've changed my diet, I only use aspirin for pain, and I use natural
    "chemicals" for cleaning. I'm hoping these lifestyle changes will
    buy me a couple more years.


    At my age I pop one aspirin a day (again, my doctor knows about it). If I
    need it for pain, never more than 2 more that same day. That's rare.

    Jill

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