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Re: Low-carb ketogenic dieting ==> Acetone breath.

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  1. convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:
    Andrew said:
    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:

    Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > convicted neighbor David Siulverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
    > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > >
    > > > >>>> What, no one has answered this for you yet?
    > > > >>>>
    > > > >>>> Here ya go:
    > > > >>>>
    > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
    > >
    > > > >>> >From your cite:
    > > > >>>
    > > > >>> Context:
    > > > >>>
    > > > >>> "Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
    > > > >>> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
    > > > >>> so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates." -- JJ Jones
    > > > >>>
    > > > >>> The written response to the context:
    > > > >>>
    > > > >>> "Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this.
    > > > >>> Simply spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish
    > > > >>> remover) to add the ketones and replicate their effect." -- Andrew B.
    > > > >>> Chung, MDPhD
    > > > >>>
    > > > >>> Current comments:
    > > > >>>
    > > > >>> Acetone continues to be used as fingernail polish remover and it is
    > > > >>> the same chemical that causes the fruity smell on the breaths of
    > > > >>> those on Atkin's ketogenic diet. Writing that the weight loss effect
    > > > >>> of Atkin's ketogenic diet can be replicated with spritzing meals with
    > > > >>> acetone is no more an endorsement of the latter behavior as writing
    > > > >>> that the weight loss effect of the 2PD-OMER Approach can be
    > > > >>> replicated with gastric bypass surgery would be an endorsement of the
    > > > >>> latter procedure.
    > > > >>>
    > > > >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    > > > >>> you to become a blessing to those who have been disappointed with
    > > > >>> their Atkin's ketogenic diet experience.
    > > > >>>
    > > > >>> Be hungry... lose the VAT... cure the tinnitus:
    > > > >>>
    > > > >> Andrew;
    > > > >>
    > > > >> I have gone to your convicted webpage to see if any
    > > > >> names have turned to the Lord. I was wondering what
    > > > >> number I am there, and if you can use my repentance
    > > > >> to serve the Lord as well? Perhaps put up some
    > > > >> testimonies?
    > > > >>
    > > > >> Thank you Andrew.
    > > > >>
    > > > >> Rod
    > > > >
    > > > > As Andrew will confirm, none have turned to the Lord, but many have
    > > > > become demons, having blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Still think he's at all
    > > > > sane?
    > > >
    > > > David......when I have read your posts and your comments, have
    > > > I hunted you down to judge you ? No David, I have not. I've tried
    > > > several different ways of reasoning with your people, not to show
    > > > you up or insult you, but to make you understand the facts, and
    > > > all my attempts to reach with reason have gone largely ignored.
    > > >
    > > > I don't, and I won't see things your way. Yes, it seems narrow
    > > > minded, but in order for me to see things as an atheist I must
    > > > become an atheist, and that means giving up a sane life filled
    > > > with order, reason and purpose. Now, I have made no judgments
    > > > on Andrew one way or the other. His medical advice is sound as
    > > > and his spiritual advice as well founded, but in order for you to
    > > > truly know this for truth you would have to become something you
    > > > have refused to be, a christian. I refuse to walk a mile in your
    > > > shoes, and you likewise are incapable of doing so in mine.
    > > >
    > > > Have you proved that demons can't possibly exist ? You can't see
    > > > an electron with the naked eye, but rationalising it away doesn't
    > > > lessen the reality of it existing. God and the spiritual world are
    > > > unknown quantities thrown into the mix, and people think of God as
    > > > a supernatural factor, but because we have so little information
    > > > on Him, what if he is not supernatural at all, but instead a key
    > > > life form keep this universe working.
    > > >
    > > > You've asked me if it is sane to believe that someone has become
    > > > a demon ? Would that require me to understand first how it can be
    > > > done ?
    > > >
    > > > Where would Bell, Edison and Tesla be right now if they had denied
    > > > the existence of electrons because they cannot see them with the
    > > > eye or touch them ? Would radio or electrical power be established
    > > > by them if them refuse to believe it is there ? Could they have
    > > > learned anything of it's nature by denying it is there ?
    > > >
    > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > >
    > > Good point.
    > >
    > > Incidentally, I have just become an angel.
    >
    > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

    Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?

    "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
    -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)

    Well, then, I most certainly could this very moment be an angel.

    Not while you are without GOD.

    Quoted message said:

    In fact, it is possible that I am an angel, and am the only being other
    than GOD who knows of this.

    Not for the discerning.

    Quoted message said:

    Unless, of course, you think that THAT one is most certainly
    beyond GOD's abilities.

    It is possible for GOD to remake you into an angel but that is not
    what you have written.

    It remains impossible for you to become an angel without GOD remaking
    you into one.

    Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    you to unwittingly prove that your fantasies are meaningless.

    Laus Deo !

    Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist

  2. In article 'Andrew B. Chung said:
    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:
    Andrew said:

    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > convicted neighbor David Siulverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
    > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > >>>> What, no one has answered this for you yet?
    > > > > >>>>
    > > > > >>>> Here ya go:
    > > > > >>>>
    > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
    > > >
    > > > > >>> >From your cite:
    > > > > >>>
    > > > > >>> Context:
    > > > > >>>
    > > > > >>> "Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
    > > > > >>> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
    > > > > >>> so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates." -- JJ Jones
    > > > > >>>
    > > > > >>> The written response to the context:
    > > > > >>>
    > > > > >>> "Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this.
    > > > > >>> Simply spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish
    > > > > >>> remover) to add the ketones and replicate their effect." -- Andrew B.
    > > > > >>> Chung, MDPhD
    > > > > >>>
    > > > > >>> Current comments:
    > > > > >>>
    > > > > >>> Acetone continues to be used as fingernail polish remover and it is
    > > > > >>> the same chemical that causes the fruity smell on the breaths of
    > > > > >>> those on Atkin's ketogenic diet. Writing that the weight loss effect
    > > > > >>> of Atkin's ketogenic diet can be replicated with spritzing meals with
    > > > > >>> acetone is no more an endorsement of the latter behavior as writing
    > > > > >>> that the weight loss effect of the 2PD-OMER Approach can be
    > > > > >>> replicated with gastric bypass surgery would be an endorsement of the
    > > > > >>> latter procedure.
    > > > > >>>
    > > > > >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    > > > > >>> you to become a blessing to those who have been disappointed with
    > > > > >>> their Atkin's ketogenic diet experience.
    > > > > >>>
    > > > > >>> Be hungry... lose the VAT... cure the tinnitus:
    > > > > >>>
    > > > > >> Andrew;
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> I have gone to your convicted webpage to see if any
    > > > > >> names have turned to the Lord. I was wondering what
    > > > > >> number I am there, and if you can use my repentance
    > > > > >> to serve the Lord as well? Perhaps put up some
    > > > > >> testimonies?
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> Thank you Andrew.
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >> Rod
    > > > > >
    > > > > > As Andrew will confirm, none have turned to the Lord, but many have
    > > > > > become demons, having blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Still think he's at all
    > > > > > sane?
    > > > >
    > > > > David......when I have read your posts and your comments, have
    > > > > I hunted you down to judge you ? No David, I have not. I've tried
    > > > > several different ways of reasoning with your people, not to show
    > > > > you up or insult you, but to make you understand the facts, and
    > > > > all my attempts to reach with reason have gone largely ignored.
    > > > >
    > > > > I don't, and I won't see things your way. Yes, it seems narrow
    > > > > minded, but in order for me to see things as an atheist I must
    > > > > become an atheist, and that means giving up a sane life filled
    > > > > with order, reason and purpose. Now, I have made no judgments
    > > > > on Andrew one way or the other. His medical advice is sound as
    > > > > and his spiritual advice as well founded, but in order for you to
    > > > > truly know this for truth you would have to become something you
    > > > > have refused to be, a christian. I refuse to walk a mile in your
    > > > > shoes, and you likewise are incapable of doing so in mine.
    > > > >
    > > > > Have you proved that demons can't possibly exist ? You can't see
    > > > > an electron with the naked eye, but rationalising it away doesn't
    > > > > lessen the reality of it existing. God and the spiritual world are
    > > > > unknown quantities thrown into the mix, and people think of God as
    > > > > a supernatural factor, but because we have so little information
    > > > > on Him, what if he is not supernatural at all, but instead a key
    > > > > life form keep this universe working.
    > > > >
    > > > > You've asked me if it is sane to believe that someone has become
    > > > > a demon ? Would that require me to understand first how it can be
    > > > > done ?
    > > > >
    > > > > Where would Bell, Edison and Tesla be right now if they had denied
    > > > > the existence of electrons because they cannot see them with the
    > > > > eye or touch them ? Would radio or electrical power be established
    > > > > by them if them refuse to believe it is there ? Could they have
    > > > > learned anything of it's nature by denying it is there ?
    > > > >
    > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > >
    > > > Good point.
    > > >
    > > > Incidentally, I have just become an angel.
    > >
    > > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    >
    > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?

    "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
    -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)

    Well, then, I most certainly could this very moment be an angel.

    Not while you are without GOD.

    Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    In fact, it is possible that I am an angel, and am the only being other
    than GOD who knows of this.

    Not for the discerning.

    That's #2...

    (and counting)

    -- cary

  3. convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:
    Andrew said:
    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:

    Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > convicted neighbor David Siulverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
    > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > >>>> What, no one has answered this for you yet?
    > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > >>>> Here ya go:
    > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
    > > > >
    > > > > > >>> >From your cite:
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> Context:
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> "Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
    > > > > > >>> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
    > > > > > >>> so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates." -- JJ Jones
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> The written response to the context:
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> "Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this.
    > > > > > >>> Simply spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish
    > > > > > >>> remover) to add the ketones and replicate their effect." -- Andrew B.
    > > > > > >>> Chung, MDPhD
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> Current comments:
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> Acetone continues to be used as fingernail polish remover and it is
    > > > > > >>> the same chemical that causes the fruity smell on the breaths of
    > > > > > >>> those on Atkin's ketogenic diet. Writing that the weight loss effect
    > > > > > >>> of Atkin's ketogenic diet can be replicated with spritzing meals with
    > > > > > >>> acetone is no more an endorsement of the latter behavior as writing
    > > > > > >>> that the weight loss effect of the 2PD-OMER Approach can be
    > > > > > >>> replicated with gastric bypass surgery would be an endorsement of the
    > > > > > >>> latter procedure.
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    > > > > > >>> you to become a blessing to those who have been disappointed with
    > > > > > >>> their Atkin's ketogenic diet experience.
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> Be hungry... lose the VAT... cure the tinnitus:
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >> Andrew;
    > > > > > >>
    > > > > > >> I have gone to your convicted webpage to see if any
    > > > > > >> names have turned to the Lord. I was wondering what
    > > > > > >> number I am there, and if you can use my repentance
    > > > > > >> to serve the Lord as well? Perhaps put up some
    > > > > > >> testimonies?
    > > > > > >>
    > > > > > >> Thank you Andrew.
    > > > > > >>
    > > > > > >> Rod
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > As Andrew will confirm, none have turned to the Lord, but many have
    > > > > > > become demons, having blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Still think he's at all
    > > > > > > sane?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > David......when I have read your posts and your comments, have
    > > > > > I hunted you down to judge you ? No David, I have not. I've tried
    > > > > > several different ways of reasoning with your people, not to show
    > > > > > you up or insult you, but to make you understand the facts, and
    > > > > > all my attempts to reach with reason have gone largely ignored.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I don't, and I won't see things your way. Yes, it seems narrow
    > > > > > minded, but in order for me to see things as an atheist I must
    > > > > > become an atheist, and that means giving up a sane life filled
    > > > > > with order, reason and purpose. Now, I have made no judgments
    > > > > > on Andrew one way or the other. His medical advice is sound as
    > > > > > and his spiritual advice as well founded, but in order for you to
    > > > > > truly know this for truth you would have to become something you
    > > > > > have refused to be, a christian. I refuse to walk a mile in your
    > > > > > shoes, and you likewise are incapable of doing so in mine.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Have you proved that demons can't possibly exist ? You can't see
    > > > > > an electron with the naked eye, but rationalising it away doesn't
    > > > > > lessen the reality of it existing. God and the spiritual world are
    > > > > > unknown quantities thrown into the mix, and people think of God as
    > > > > > a supernatural factor, but because we have so little information
    > > > > > on Him, what if he is not supernatural at all, but instead a key
    > > > > > life form keep this universe working.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > You've asked me if it is sane to believe that someone has become
    > > > > > a demon ? Would that require me to understand first how it can be
    > > > > > done ?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Where would Bell, Edison and Tesla be right now if they had denied
    > > > > > the existence of electrons because they cannot see them with the
    > > > > > eye or touch them ? Would radio or electrical power be established
    > > > > > by them if them refuse to believe it is there ? Could they have
    > > > > > learned anything of it's nature by denying it is there ?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > >
    > > > > Good point.
    > > > >
    > > > > Incidentally, I have just become an angel.
    > > >
    > > > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    > >
    > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    >
    > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
    > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)

    Well, then, I most certainly could this very moment be an angel.

    Not while you are without GOD.

    Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...

    Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

    Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist

  4. On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 01:00:06 +0000 (UTC),

    (Cary Kittrell) said:
    In article 'Andrew B. Chung said:
    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:

    Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > convicted neighbor David Siulverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
    > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > >>>> What, no one has answered this for you yet?
    > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > >>>> Here ya go:
    > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
    > > > >
    > > > > > >>> >From your cite:
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> Context:
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> "Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
    > > > > > >>> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
    > > > > > >>> so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates." -- JJ Jones
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> The written response to the context:
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> "Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this.
    > > > > > >>> Simply spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish
    > > > > > >>> remover) to add the ketones and replicate their effect." -- Andrew B.
    > > > > > >>> Chung, MDPhD
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> Current comments:
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> Acetone continues to be used as fingernail polish remover and it is
    > > > > > >>> the same chemical that causes the fruity smell on the breaths of
    > > > > > >>> those on Atkin's ketogenic diet. Writing that the weight loss effect
    > > > > > >>> of Atkin's ketogenic diet can be replicated with spritzing meals with
    > > > > > >>> acetone is no more an endorsement of the latter behavior as writing
    > > > > > >>> that the weight loss effect of the 2PD-OMER Approach can be
    > > > > > >>> replicated with gastric bypass surgery would be an endorsement of the
    > > > > > >>> latter procedure.
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    > > > > > >>> you to become a blessing to those who have been disappointed with
    > > > > > >>> their Atkin's ketogenic diet experience.
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >>> Be hungry... lose the VAT... cure the tinnitus:
    > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > >> Andrew;
    > > > > > >>
    > > > > > >> I have gone to your convicted webpage to see if any
    > > > > > >> names have turned to the Lord. I was wondering what
    > > > > > >> number I am there, and if you can use my repentance
    > > > > > >> to serve the Lord as well? Perhaps put up some
    > > > > > >> testimonies?
    > > > > > >>
    > > > > > >> Thank you Andrew.
    > > > > > >>
    > > > > > >> Rod
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > As Andrew will confirm, none have turned to the Lord, but many have
    > > > > > > become demons, having blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Still think he's at all
    > > > > > > sane?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > David......when I have read your posts and your comments, have
    > > > > > I hunted you down to judge you ? No David, I have not. I've tried
    > > > > > several different ways of reasoning with your people, not to show
    > > > > > you up or insult you, but to make you understand the facts, and
    > > > > > all my attempts to reach with reason have gone largely ignored.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I don't, and I won't see things your way. Yes, it seems narrow
    > > > > > minded, but in order for me to see things as an atheist I must
    > > > > > become an atheist, and that means giving up a sane life filled
    > > > > > with order, reason and purpose. Now, I have made no judgments
    > > > > > on Andrew one way or the other. His medical advice is sound as
    > > > > > and his spiritual advice as well founded, but in order for you to
    > > > > > truly know this for truth you would have to become something you
    > > > > > have refused to be, a christian. I refuse to walk a mile in your
    > > > > > shoes, and you likewise are incapable of doing so in mine.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Have you proved that demons can't possibly exist ? You can't see
    > > > > > an electron with the naked eye, but rationalising it away doesn't
    > > > > > lessen the reality of it existing. God and the spiritual world are
    > > > > > unknown quantities thrown into the mix, and people think of God as
    > > > > > a supernatural factor, but because we have so little information
    > > > > > on Him, what if he is not supernatural at all, but instead a key
    > > > > > life form keep this universe working.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > You've asked me if it is sane to believe that someone has become
    > > > > > a demon ? Would that require me to understand first how it can be
    > > > > > done ?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Where would Bell, Edison and Tesla be right now if they had denied
    > > > > > the existence of electrons because they cannot see them with the
    > > > > > eye or touch them ? Would radio or electrical power be established
    > > > > > by them if them refuse to believe it is there ? Could they have
    > > > > > learned anything of it's nature by denying it is there ?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > >
    > > > > Good point.
    > > > >
    > > > > Incidentally, I have just become an angel.
    > > >
    > > > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    > >
    > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    >
    > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
    > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)

    Well, then, I most certainly could this very moment be an angel.

    Not while you are without GOD.

    Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    In fact, it is possible that I am an angel, and am the only being other
    than GOD who knows of this.

    Not for the discerning.

    That's #2...

    (and counting)

    -- cary


    <deliberately not snipped>

    If you must offensively crosspost all this drivel at least
    learn to bloody SNIP.

    [censored].

    Alan, T2, Australia.

  5. In article 'Andrew B. Chung said:
    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:
    Andrew said:

    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > convicted neighbor David Siulverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
    > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > > >>>> What, no one has answered this for you yet?
    > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > >>>> Here ya go:
    > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > > >>> >From your cite:
    > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > >>> Context:
    > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > >>> "Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
    > > > > > > >>> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
    > > > > > > >>> so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates." -- JJ Jones
    > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > >>> The written response to the context:
    > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > >>> "Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this.
    > > > > > > >>> Simply spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish
    > > > > > > >>> remover) to add the ketones and replicate their effect." -- Andrew B.
    > > > > > > >>> Chung, MDPhD
    > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > >>> Current comments:
    > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > >>> Acetone continues to be used as fingernail polish remover and it is
    > > > > > > >>> the same chemical that causes the fruity smell on the breaths of
    > > > > > > >>> those on Atkin's ketogenic diet. Writing that the weight loss effect
    > > > > > > >>> of Atkin's ketogenic diet can be replicated with spritzing meals with
    > > > > > > >>> acetone is no more an endorsement of the latter behavior as writing
    > > > > > > >>> that the weight loss effect of the 2PD-OMER Approach can be
    > > > > > > >>> replicated with gastric bypass surgery would be an endorsement of the
    > > > > > > >>> latter procedure.
    > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    > > > > > > >>> you to become a blessing to those who have been disappointed with
    > > > > > > >>> their Atkin's ketogenic diet experience.
    > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > >>> Be hungry... lose the VAT... cure the tinnitus:
    > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > >> Andrew;
    > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > >> I have gone to your convicted webpage to see if any
    > > > > > > >> names have turned to the Lord. I was wondering what
    > > > > > > >> number I am there, and if you can use my repentance
    > > > > > > >> to serve the Lord as well? Perhaps put up some
    > > > > > > >> testimonies?
    > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > >> Thank you Andrew.
    > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > >> Rod
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > As Andrew will confirm, none have turned to the Lord, but many have
    > > > > > > > become demons, having blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Still think he's at all
    > > > > > > > sane?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > David......when I have read your posts and your comments, have
    > > > > > > I hunted you down to judge you ? No David, I have not. I've tried
    > > > > > > several different ways of reasoning with your people, not to show
    > > > > > > you up or insult you, but to make you understand the facts, and
    > > > > > > all my attempts to reach with reason have gone largely ignored.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I don't, and I won't see things your way. Yes, it seems narrow
    > > > > > > minded, but in order for me to see things as an atheist I must
    > > > > > > become an atheist, and that means giving up a sane life filled
    > > > > > > with order, reason and purpose. Now, I have made no judgments
    > > > > > > on Andrew one way or the other. His medical advice is sound as
    > > > > > > and his spiritual advice as well founded, but in order for you to
    > > > > > > truly know this for truth you would have to become something you
    > > > > > > have refused to be, a christian. I refuse to walk a mile in your
    > > > > > > shoes, and you likewise are incapable of doing so in mine.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Have you proved that demons can't possibly exist ? You can't see
    > > > > > > an electron with the naked eye, but rationalising it away doesn't
    > > > > > > lessen the reality of it existing. God and the spiritual world are
    > > > > > > unknown quantities thrown into the mix, and people think of God as
    > > > > > > a supernatural factor, but because we have so little information
    > > > > > > on Him, what if he is not supernatural at all, but instead a key
    > > > > > > life form keep this universe working.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > You've asked me if it is sane to believe that someone has become
    > > > > > > a demon ? Would that require me to understand first how it can be
    > > > > > > done ?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Where would Bell, Edison and Tesla be right now if they had denied
    > > > > > > the existence of electrons because they cannot see them with the
    > > > > > > eye or touch them ? Would radio or electrical power be established
    > > > > > > by them if them refuse to believe it is there ? Could they have
    > > > > > > learned anything of it's nature by denying it is there ?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Good point.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Incidentally, I have just become an angel.
    > > > >
    > > > > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    > > >
    > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > >
    > > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
    > > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
    >
    > Well, then, I most certainly could this very moment be an angel.

    Not while you are without GOD.

    Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...

    Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

    GOD could not make it so that my belifes are meaningful
    without Him?

    Well, that's god-can't-do-yet-another-thing #3, isn't it?

    -- cary

  6. convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:
    Andrew said:
    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:

    Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > convicted neighbor David Siulverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
    > > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > >>>> What, no one has answered this for you yet?
    > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > >>>> Here ya go:
    > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > >>> >From your cite:
    > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > >>> Context:
    > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > >>> "Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
    > > > > > > > >>> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
    > > > > > > > >>> so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates." -- JJ Jones
    > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > >>> The written response to the context:
    > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > >>> "Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this.
    > > > > > > > >>> Simply spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish
    > > > > > > > >>> remover) to add the ketones and replicate their effect." -- Andrew B.
    > > > > > > > >>> Chung, MDPhD
    > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > >>> Current comments:
    > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > >>> Acetone continues to be used as fingernail polish remover and it is
    > > > > > > > >>> the same chemical that causes the fruity smell on the breaths of
    > > > > > > > >>> those on Atkin's ketogenic diet. Writing that the weight loss effect
    > > > > > > > >>> of Atkin's ketogenic diet can be replicated with spritzing meals with
    > > > > > > > >>> acetone is no more an endorsement of the latter behavior as writing
    > > > > > > > >>> that the weight loss effect of the 2PD-OMER Approach can be
    > > > > > > > >>> replicated with gastric bypass surgery would be an endorsement of the
    > > > > > > > >>> latter procedure.
    > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    > > > > > > > >>> you to become a blessing to those who have been disappointed with
    > > > > > > > >>> their Atkin's ketogenic diet experience.
    > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > >>> Be hungry... lose the VAT... cure the tinnitus:
    > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > >> Andrew;
    > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > >> I have gone to your convicted webpage to see if any
    > > > > > > > >> names have turned to the Lord. I was wondering what
    > > > > > > > >> number I am there, and if you can use my repentance
    > > > > > > > >> to serve the Lord as well? Perhaps put up some
    > > > > > > > >> testimonies?
    > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > >> Thank you Andrew.
    > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > >> Rod
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > As Andrew will confirm, none have turned to the Lord, but many have
    > > > > > > > > become demons, having blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Still think he's at all
    > > > > > > > > sane?
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > David......when I have read your posts and your comments, have
    > > > > > > > I hunted you down to judge you ? No David, I have not. I've tried
    > > > > > > > several different ways of reasoning with your people, not to show
    > > > > > > > you up or insult you, but to make you understand the facts, and
    > > > > > > > all my attempts to reach with reason have gone largely ignored.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > I don't, and I won't see things your way. Yes, it seems narrow
    > > > > > > > minded, but in order for me to see things as an atheist I must
    > > > > > > > become an atheist, and that means giving up a sane life filled
    > > > > > > > with order, reason and purpose. Now, I have made no judgments
    > > > > > > > on Andrew one way or the other. His medical advice is sound as
    > > > > > > > and his spiritual advice as well founded, but in order for you to
    > > > > > > > truly know this for truth you would have to become something you
    > > > > > > > have refused to be, a christian. I refuse to walk a mile in your
    > > > > > > > shoes, and you likewise are incapable of doing so in mine.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Have you proved that demons can't possibly exist ? You can't see
    > > > > > > > an electron with the naked eye, but rationalising it away doesn't
    > > > > > > > lessen the reality of it existing. God and the spiritual world are
    > > > > > > > unknown quantities thrown into the mix, and people think of God as
    > > > > > > > a supernatural factor, but because we have so little information
    > > > > > > > on Him, what if he is not supernatural at all, but instead a key
    > > > > > > > life form keep this universe working.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > You've asked me if it is sane to believe that someone has become
    > > > > > > > a demon ? Would that require me to understand first how it can be
    > > > > > > > done ?
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Where would Bell, Edison and Tesla be right now if they had denied
    > > > > > > > the existence of electrons because they cannot see them with the
    > > > > > > > eye or touch them ? Would radio or electrical power be established
    > > > > > > > by them if them refuse to believe it is there ? Could they have
    > > > > > > > learned anything of it's nature by denying it is there ?
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Good point.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Incidentally, I have just become an angel.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    > > > >
    > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > >
    > > > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
    > > > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
    > >
    > > Well, then, I most certainly could this very moment be an angel.
    >
    > Not while you are without GOD.

    Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...

    Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

    GOD could not make it so that my belifes are meaningful
    without Him?

    GOD could have commanded the stones to turn into bread but HE did not
    (Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4).

    It is satan who is whispering in your ear and causing your tinnitus,
    Cary.

    Your soul will remain in danger until you rebuke satan to drive him
    away from you.

    When you do this, you will feel hungry.

    Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

    http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist

    Quoted message said:

    Well, that's god-can't-do-yet-another-thing #3, isn't it?

    -- cary

  7. In article 'Andrew B. Chung said:
    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:
    Andrew said:

    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > convicted neighbor David Siulverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > > > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > >>>> What, no one has answered this for you yet?
    > > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > > >>>> Here ya go:
    > > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > >>> >From your cite:
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> Context:
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> "Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
    > > > > > > > > >>> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
    > > > > > > > > >>> so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates." -- JJ Jones
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> The written response to the context:
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> "Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this.
    > > > > > > > > >>> Simply spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish
    > > > > > > > > >>> remover) to add the ketones and replicate their effect." -- Andrew B.
    > > > > > > > > >>> Chung, MDPhD
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> Current comments:
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> Acetone continues to be used as fingernail polish remover and it is
    > > > > > > > > >>> the same chemical that causes the fruity smell on the breaths of
    > > > > > > > > >>> those on Atkin's ketogenic diet. Writing that the weight loss effect
    > > > > > > > > >>> of Atkin's ketogenic diet can be replicated with spritzing meals with
    > > > > > > > > >>> acetone is no more an endorsement of the latter behavior as writing
    > > > > > > > > >>> that the weight loss effect of the 2PD-OMER Approach can be
    > > > > > > > > >>> replicated with gastric bypass surgery would be an endorsement of the
    > > > > > > > > >>> latter procedure.
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    > > > > > > > > >>> you to become a blessing to those who have been disappointed with
    > > > > > > > > >>> their Atkin's ketogenic diet experience.
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> Be hungry... lose the VAT... cure the tinnitus:
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >> Andrew;
    > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > >> I have gone to your convicted webpage to see if any
    > > > > > > > > >> names have turned to the Lord. I was wondering what
    > > > > > > > > >> number I am there, and if you can use my repentance
    > > > > > > > > >> to serve the Lord as well? Perhaps put up some
    > > > > > > > > >> testimonies?
    > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > >> Thank you Andrew.
    > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > >> Rod
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > As Andrew will confirm, none have turned to the Lord, but many have
    > > > > > > > > > become demons, having blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Still think he's at all
    > > > > > > > > > sane?
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > David......when I have read your posts and your comments, have
    > > > > > > > > I hunted you down to judge you ? No David, I have not. I've tried
    > > > > > > > > several different ways of reasoning with your people, not to show
    > > > > > > > > you up or insult you, but to make you understand the facts, and
    > > > > > > > > all my attempts to reach with reason have gone largely ignored.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > I don't, and I won't see things your way. Yes, it seems narrow
    > > > > > > > > minded, but in order for me to see things as an atheist I must
    > > > > > > > > become an atheist, and that means giving up a sane life filled
    > > > > > > > > with order, reason and purpose. Now, I have made no judgments
    > > > > > > > > on Andrew one way or the other. His medical advice is sound as
    > > > > > > > > and his spiritual advice as well founded, but in order for you to
    > > > > > > > > truly know this for truth you would have to become something you
    > > > > > > > > have refused to be, a christian. I refuse to walk a mile in your
    > > > > > > > > shoes, and you likewise are incapable of doing so in mine.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Have you proved that demons can't possibly exist ? You can't see
    > > > > > > > > an electron with the naked eye, but rationalising it away doesn't
    > > > > > > > > lessen the reality of it existing. God and the spiritual world are
    > > > > > > > > unknown quantities thrown into the mix, and people think of God as
    > > > > > > > > a supernatural factor, but because we have so little information
    > > > > > > > > on Him, what if he is not supernatural at all, but instead a key
    > > > > > > > > life form keep this universe working.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > You've asked me if it is sane to believe that someone has become
    > > > > > > > > a demon ? Would that require me to understand first how it can be
    > > > > > > > > done ?
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Where would Bell, Edison and Tesla be right now if they had denied
    > > > > > > > > the existence of electrons because they cannot see them with the
    > > > > > > > > eye or touch them ? Would radio or electrical power be established
    > > > > > > > > by them if them refuse to believe it is there ? Could they have
    > > > > > > > > learned anything of it's nature by denying it is there ?
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Good point.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Incidentally, I have just become an angel.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > >
    > > > > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
    > > > > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
    > > >
    > > > Well, then, I most certainly could this very moment be an angel.
    > >
    > > Not while you are without GOD.
    >
    > Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...

    Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

    GOD could not make it so that my belifes are meaningful
    without Him?

    GOD could have commanded the stones to turn into bread but HE did not
    (Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4).

    It is satan who is whispering in your ear and causing your tinnitus,
    Cary.

    Gee, I wonder how any potential patients -- or the Composite State Board
    of Medical Examiners, for that matter -- would regard a physician
    who can come up with "Diagnosis: tinnitus. Etiology: Satan"

    -- cary

  8. In article 'Andrew B. Chung said:
    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:
    Andrew said:

    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > convicted neighbor David Siulverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > > > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > >>>> What, no one has answered this for you yet?
    > > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > > >>>> Here ya go:
    > > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > >>> >From your cite:
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> Context:
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> "Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
    > > > > > > > > >>> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
    > > > > > > > > >>> so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates." -- JJ Jones
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> The written response to the context:
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> "Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this.
    > > > > > > > > >>> Simply spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish
    > > > > > > > > >>> remover) to add the ketones and replicate their effect." -- Andrew B.
    > > > > > > > > >>> Chung, MDPhD
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> Current comments:
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> Acetone continues to be used as fingernail polish remover and it is
    > > > > > > > > >>> the same chemical that causes the fruity smell on the breaths of
    > > > > > > > > >>> those on Atkin's ketogenic diet. Writing that the weight loss effect
    > > > > > > > > >>> of Atkin's ketogenic diet can be replicated with spritzing meals with
    > > > > > > > > >>> acetone is no more an endorsement of the latter behavior as writing
    > > > > > > > > >>> that the weight loss effect of the 2PD-OMER Approach can be
    > > > > > > > > >>> replicated with gastric bypass surgery would be an endorsement of the
    > > > > > > > > >>> latter procedure.
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    > > > > > > > > >>> you to become a blessing to those who have been disappointed with
    > > > > > > > > >>> their Atkin's ketogenic diet experience.
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >>> Be hungry... lose the VAT... cure the tinnitus:
    > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > >> Andrew;
    > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > >> I have gone to your convicted webpage to see if any
    > > > > > > > > >> names have turned to the Lord. I was wondering what
    > > > > > > > > >> number I am there, and if you can use my repentance
    > > > > > > > > >> to serve the Lord as well? Perhaps put up some
    > > > > > > > > >> testimonies?
    > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > >> Thank you Andrew.
    > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > >> Rod
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > As Andrew will confirm, none have turned to the Lord, but many have
    > > > > > > > > > become demons, having blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Still think he's at all
    > > > > > > > > > sane?
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > David......when I have read your posts and your comments, have
    > > > > > > > > I hunted you down to judge you ? No David, I have not. I've tried
    > > > > > > > > several different ways of reasoning with your people, not to show
    > > > > > > > > you up or insult you, but to make you understand the facts, and
    > > > > > > > > all my attempts to reach with reason have gone largely ignored.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > I don't, and I won't see things your way. Yes, it seems narrow
    > > > > > > > > minded, but in order for me to see things as an atheist I must
    > > > > > > > > become an atheist, and that means giving up a sane life filled
    > > > > > > > > with order, reason and purpose. Now, I have made no judgments
    > > > > > > > > on Andrew one way or the other. His medical advice is sound as
    > > > > > > > > and his spiritual advice as well founded, but in order for you to
    > > > > > > > > truly know this for truth you would have to become something you
    > > > > > > > > have refused to be, a christian. I refuse to walk a mile in your
    > > > > > > > > shoes, and you likewise are incapable of doing so in mine.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Have you proved that demons can't possibly exist ? You can't see
    > > > > > > > > an electron with the naked eye, but rationalising it away doesn't
    > > > > > > > > lessen the reality of it existing. God and the spiritual world are
    > > > > > > > > unknown quantities thrown into the mix, and people think of God as
    > > > > > > > > a supernatural factor, but because we have so little information
    > > > > > > > > on Him, what if he is not supernatural at all, but instead a key
    > > > > > > > > life form keep this universe working.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > You've asked me if it is sane to believe that someone has become
    > > > > > > > > a demon ? Would that require me to understand first how it can be
    > > > > > > > > done ?
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Where would Bell, Edison and Tesla be right now if they had denied
    > > > > > > > > the existence of electrons because they cannot see them with the
    > > > > > > > > eye or touch them ? Would radio or electrical power be established
    > > > > > > > > by them if them refuse to believe it is there ? Could they have
    > > > > > > > > learned anything of it's nature by denying it is there ?
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Good point.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Incidentally, I have just become an angel.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > >
    > > > > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
    > > > > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
    > > >
    > > > Well, then, I most certainly could this very moment be an angel.
    > >
    > > Not while you are without GOD.
    >
    > Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...

    Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

    GOD could not make it so that my belifes are meaningful
    without Him?

    GOD could have commanded the stones to turn into bread but HE did not
    (Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4).

    It is satan who is whispering in your ear and causing your tinnitus,
    Cary.

    Oh yeah: you prayed in Jesus' namat that this would be healed, did
    you not?

    Is this well-god-can't-actually-do-THAT-thing #4?

    -- cary

  9. In article Alan S said:

    On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 01:00:06 +0000 (UTC),

    (Cary Kittrell) said:

    In article <[email hidden]> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> writes:

    {...}

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Not while you are without GOD.

    Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...

    Quoted message said:


    > In fact, it is possible that I am an angel, and am the only being other
    > than GOD who knows of this.

    Not for the discerning.

    That's #2...

    (and counting)

    -- cary


    <deliberately not snipped>

    If you must offensively crosspost all this drivel at least
    learn to bloody SNIP.

    [censored].

    Alan, T2, Australia.

    Cheerfully. (I took the headers as Doctor Chung had them)

    Which group did you read this on?

    -- cary

  10. HEADERS TRIMMED

    "Cary Kittrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]> Alan S

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 01:00:06 +0000 (UTC),

    (Cary Kittrell) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>
    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> writes:

    {...}

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > Not while you are without GOD.

    Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...

    >
    > > In fact, it is possible that I am an angel, and am the only being
    > > other
    > > than GOD who knows of this.
    >
    > Not for the discerning.

    That's #2...

    (and counting)

    -- cary


    <deliberately not snipped>

    If you must offensively crosspost all this drivel at least
    learn to bloody SNIP.

    [censored].

    Alan, T2, Australia.

    Cheerfully. (I took the headers as Doctor Chung had them)

    Which group did you read this on?

    -- cary

  11. convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:
    Andrew said:
    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:

    Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > convicted neighbor David Siulverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > >>>> What, no one has answered this for you yet?
    > > > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here ya go:
    > > > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > >>> >From your cite:
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Context:
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> "Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
    > > > > > > > > > >>> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
    > > > > > > > > > >>> so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates." -- JJ Jones
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> The written response to the context:
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> "Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this.
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Simply spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish
    > > > > > > > > > >>> remover) to add the ketones and replicate their effect." -- Andrew B.
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Chung, MDPhD
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Current comments:
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Acetone continues to be used as fingernail polish remover and it is
    > > > > > > > > > >>> the same chemical that causes the fruity smell on the breaths of
    > > > > > > > > > >>> those on Atkin's ketogenic diet. Writing that the weight loss effect
    > > > > > > > > > >>> of Atkin's ketogenic diet can be replicated with spritzing meals with
    > > > > > > > > > >>> acetone is no more an endorsement of the latter behavior as writing
    > > > > > > > > > >>> that the weight loss effect of the 2PD-OMER Approach can be
    > > > > > > > > > >>> replicated with gastric bypass surgery would be an endorsement of the
    > > > > > > > > > >>> latter procedure.
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    > > > > > > > > > >>> you to become a blessing to those who have been disappointed with
    > > > > > > > > > >>> their Atkin's ketogenic diet experience.
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Be hungry... lose the VAT... cure the tinnitus:
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >> Andrew;
    > > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > > >> I have gone to your convicted webpage to see if any
    > > > > > > > > > >> names have turned to the Lord. I was wondering what
    > > > > > > > > > >> number I am there, and if you can use my repentance
    > > > > > > > > > >> to serve the Lord as well? Perhaps put up some
    > > > > > > > > > >> testimonies?
    > > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > > >> Thank you Andrew.
    > > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > > >> Rod
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > As Andrew will confirm, none have turned to the Lord, but many have
    > > > > > > > > > > become demons, having blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Still think he's at all
    > > > > > > > > > > sane?
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > David......when I have read your posts and your comments, have
    > > > > > > > > > I hunted you down to judge you ? No David, I have not. I've tried
    > > > > > > > > > several different ways of reasoning with your people, not to show
    > > > > > > > > > you up or insult you, but to make you understand the facts, and
    > > > > > > > > > all my attempts to reach with reason have gone largely ignored.
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > I don't, and I won't see things your way. Yes, it seems narrow
    > > > > > > > > > minded, but in order for me to see things as an atheist I must
    > > > > > > > > > become an atheist, and that means giving up a sane life filled
    > > > > > > > > > with order, reason and purpose. Now, I have made no judgments
    > > > > > > > > > on Andrew one way or the other. His medical advice is sound as
    > > > > > > > > > and his spiritual advice as well founded, but in order for you to
    > > > > > > > > > truly know this for truth you would have to become something you
    > > > > > > > > > have refused to be, a christian. I refuse to walk a mile in your
    > > > > > > > > > shoes, and you likewise are incapable of doing so in mine.
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > Have you proved that demons can't possibly exist ? You can't see
    > > > > > > > > > an electron with the naked eye, but rationalising it away doesn't
    > > > > > > > > > lessen the reality of it existing. God and the spiritual world are
    > > > > > > > > > unknown quantities thrown into the mix, and people think of God as
    > > > > > > > > > a supernatural factor, but because we have so little information
    > > > > > > > > > on Him, what if he is not supernatural at all, but instead a key
    > > > > > > > > > life form keep this universe working.
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > You've asked me if it is sane to believe that someone has become
    > > > > > > > > > a demon ? Would that require me to understand first how it can be
    > > > > > > > > > done ?
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > Where would Bell, Edison and Tesla be right now if they had denied
    > > > > > > > > > the existence of electrons because they cannot see them with the
    > > > > > > > > > eye or touch them ? Would radio or electrical power be established
    > > > > > > > > > by them if them refuse to believe it is there ? Could they have
    > > > > > > > > > learned anything of it's nature by denying it is there ?
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Good point.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Incidentally, I have just become an angel.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
    > > > > > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
    > > > >
    > > > > Well, then, I most certainly could this very moment be an angel.
    > > >
    > > > Not while you are without GOD.
    > >
    > > Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...
    >
    > Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

    GOD could not make it so that my belifes are meaningful
    without Him?

    GOD could have commanded the stones to turn into bread but HE did not
    (Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4).

    It is satan who is whispering in your ear and causing your tinnitus,
    Cary.

    Oh yeah: you prayed in Jesus' namat that this would be healed, did
    you not?

    When satan is either destroyed or driven from you by your rebuking
    him, your tinnitus would then be healed.

    Either or both will happen undoubtably happen so my prayer in Jesus's
    name for your tinnitus to be healed will be answered :-)

    Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

    http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist

  12. convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:
    Andrew said:
    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:

    Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > convicted neighbor David Siulverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > >>>> What, no one has answered this for you yet?
    > > > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here ya go:
    > > > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > >>> >From your cite:
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Context:
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> "Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
    > > > > > > > > > >>> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
    > > > > > > > > > >>> so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates." -- JJ Jones
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> The written response to the context:
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> "Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this.
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Simply spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish
    > > > > > > > > > >>> remover) to add the ketones and replicate their effect." -- Andrew B.
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Chung, MDPhD
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Current comments:
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Acetone continues to be used as fingernail polish remover and it is
    > > > > > > > > > >>> the same chemical that causes the fruity smell on the breaths of
    > > > > > > > > > >>> those on Atkin's ketogenic diet. Writing that the weight loss effect
    > > > > > > > > > >>> of Atkin's ketogenic diet can be replicated with spritzing meals with
    > > > > > > > > > >>> acetone is no more an endorsement of the latter behavior as writing
    > > > > > > > > > >>> that the weight loss effect of the 2PD-OMER Approach can be
    > > > > > > > > > >>> replicated with gastric bypass surgery would be an endorsement of the
    > > > > > > > > > >>> latter procedure.
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    > > > > > > > > > >>> you to become a blessing to those who have been disappointed with
    > > > > > > > > > >>> their Atkin's ketogenic diet experience.
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >>> Be hungry... lose the VAT... cure the tinnitus:
    > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > >> Andrew;
    > > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > > >> I have gone to your convicted webpage to see if any
    > > > > > > > > > >> names have turned to the Lord. I was wondering what
    > > > > > > > > > >> number I am there, and if you can use my repentance
    > > > > > > > > > >> to serve the Lord as well? Perhaps put up some
    > > > > > > > > > >> testimonies?
    > > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > > >> Thank you Andrew.
    > > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > > >> Rod
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > As Andrew will confirm, none have turned to the Lord, but many have
    > > > > > > > > > > become demons, having blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Still think he's at all
    > > > > > > > > > > sane?
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > David......when I have read your posts and your comments, have
    > > > > > > > > > I hunted you down to judge you ? No David, I have not. I've tried
    > > > > > > > > > several different ways of reasoning with your people, not to show
    > > > > > > > > > you up or insult you, but to make you understand the facts, and
    > > > > > > > > > all my attempts to reach with reason have gone largely ignored.
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > I don't, and I won't see things your way. Yes, it seems narrow
    > > > > > > > > > minded, but in order for me to see things as an atheist I must
    > > > > > > > > > become an atheist, and that means giving up a sane life filled
    > > > > > > > > > with order, reason and purpose. Now, I have made no judgments
    > > > > > > > > > on Andrew one way or the other. His medical advice is sound as
    > > > > > > > > > and his spiritual advice as well founded, but in order for you to
    > > > > > > > > > truly know this for truth you would have to become something you
    > > > > > > > > > have refused to be, a christian. I refuse to walk a mile in your
    > > > > > > > > > shoes, and you likewise are incapable of doing so in mine.
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > Have you proved that demons can't possibly exist ? You can't see
    > > > > > > > > > an electron with the naked eye, but rationalising it away doesn't
    > > > > > > > > > lessen the reality of it existing. God and the spiritual world are
    > > > > > > > > > unknown quantities thrown into the mix, and people think of God as
    > > > > > > > > > a supernatural factor, but because we have so little information
    > > > > > > > > > on Him, what if he is not supernatural at all, but instead a key
    > > > > > > > > > life form keep this universe working.
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > You've asked me if it is sane to believe that someone has become
    > > > > > > > > > a demon ? Would that require me to understand first how it can be
    > > > > > > > > > done ?
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > Where would Bell, Edison and Tesla be right now if they had denied
    > > > > > > > > > the existence of electrons because they cannot see them with the
    > > > > > > > > > eye or touch them ? Would radio or electrical power be established
    > > > > > > > > > by them if them refuse to believe it is there ? Could they have
    > > > > > > > > > learned anything of it's nature by denying it is there ?
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Good point.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Incidentally, I have just become an angel.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
    > > > > > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
    > > > >
    > > > > Well, then, I most certainly could this very moment be an angel.
    > > >
    > > > Not while you are without GOD.
    > >
    > > Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...
    >
    > Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

    GOD could not make it so that my belifes are meaningful
    without Him?

    GOD could have commanded the stones to turn into bread but HE did not
    (Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4).

    It is satan who is whispering in your ear and causing your tinnitus,
    Cary.

    Gee, I wonder how any potential patients -- or the Composite State Board
    of Medical Examiners, for that matter -- would regard a physician
    who can come up with "Diagnosis: tinnitus. Etiology: Satan"

    Better than they would regard you:

    "I am now an angel." -- Cary Kittrell

    This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
    you:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

    Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

    http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist

  13. "em" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    If you must respond to this IDIOT, please delete the cross-posts outside of
    your individual groups. Better yet, if people would ignore this chung guy,
    maybe he will go away.

    Again, if you will say which group you are seeing this on,
    I for one will be happy to comply. But without that
    information, I cannot.

    -- cary

    Quoted message said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    When satan is either destroyed or driven from you by your rebuking
    him, your tinnitus would then be healed.

  14. In article 'Andrew B. Chung said:
    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:
    Andrew said:

    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > convicted neighbor David Siulverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>> What, no one has answered this for you yet?
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here ya go:
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> >From your cite:
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> Context:
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> "Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates." -- JJ Jones
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> The written response to the context:
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> "Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this.
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> Simply spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> remover) to add the ketones and replicate their effect." -- Andrew B.
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> Chung, MDPhD
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> Current comments:
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> Acetone continues to be used as fingernail polish remover and it is
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> the same chemical that causes the fruity smell on the breaths of
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> those on Atkin's ketogenic diet. Writing that the weight loss effect
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> of Atkin's ketogenic diet can be replicated with spritzing meals with
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> acetone is no more an endorsement of the latter behavior as writing
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> that the weight loss effect of the 2PD-OMER Approach can be
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> replicated with gastric bypass surgery would be an endorsement of the
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> latter procedure.
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> you to become a blessing to those who have been disappointed with
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> their Atkin's ketogenic diet experience.
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > >>> Be hungry... lose the VAT... cure the tinnitus:
    > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > >> Andrew;
    > > > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > > > >> I have gone to your convicted webpage to see if any
    > > > > > > > > > > >> names have turned to the Lord. I was wondering what
    > > > > > > > > > > >> number I am there, and if you can use my repentance
    > > > > > > > > > > >> to serve the Lord as well? Perhaps put up some
    > > > > > > > > > > >> testimonies?
    > > > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > > > >> Thank you Andrew.
    > > > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > > > >> Rod
    > > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > > As Andrew will confirm, none have turned to the Lord, but many have
    > > > > > > > > > > > become demons, having blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Still think he's at all
    > > > > > > > > > > > sane?
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > David......when I have read your posts and your comments, have
    > > > > > > > > > > I hunted you down to judge you ? No David, I have not. I've tried
    > > > > > > > > > > several different ways of reasoning with your people, not to show
    > > > > > > > > > > you up or insult you, but to make you understand the facts, and
    > > > > > > > > > > all my attempts to reach with reason have gone largely ignored.
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > I don't, and I won't see things your way. Yes, it seems narrow
    > > > > > > > > > > minded, but in order for me to see things as an atheist I must
    > > > > > > > > > > become an atheist, and that means giving up a sane life filled
    > > > > > > > > > > with order, reason and purpose. Now, I have made no judgments
    > > > > > > > > > > on Andrew one way or the other. His medical advice is sound as
    > > > > > > > > > > and his spiritual advice as well founded, but in order for you to
    > > > > > > > > > > truly know this for truth you would have to become something you
    > > > > > > > > > > have refused to be, a christian. I refuse to walk a mile in your
    > > > > > > > > > > shoes, and you likewise are incapable of doing so in mine.
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > Have you proved that demons can't possibly exist ? You can't see
    > > > > > > > > > > an electron with the naked eye, but rationalising it away doesn't
    > > > > > > > > > > lessen the reality of it existing. God and the spiritual world are
    > > > > > > > > > > unknown quantities thrown into the mix, and people think of God as
    > > > > > > > > > > a supernatural factor, but because we have so little information
    > > > > > > > > > > on Him, what if he is not supernatural at all, but instead a key
    > > > > > > > > > > life form keep this universe working.
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > You've asked me if it is sane to believe that someone has become
    > > > > > > > > > > a demon ? Would that require me to understand first how it can be
    > > > > > > > > > > done ?
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > Where would Bell, Edison and Tesla be right now if they had denied
    > > > > > > > > > > the existence of electrons because they cannot see them with the
    > > > > > > > > > > eye or touch them ? Would radio or electrical power be established
    > > > > > > > > > > by them if them refuse to believe it is there ? Could they have
    > > > > > > > > > > learned anything of it's nature by denying it is there ?
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > Good point.
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, I have just become an angel.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
    > > > > > > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Well, then, I most certainly could this very moment be an angel.
    > > > >
    > > > > Not while you are without GOD.
    > > >
    > > > Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...
    > >
    > > Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    >
    > GOD could not make it so that my belifes are meaningful
    > without Him?

    GOD could have commanded the stones to turn into bread but HE did not
    (Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4).

    It is satan who is whispering in your ear and causing your tinnitus,
    Cary.

    Gee, I wonder how any potential patients -- or the Composite State Board
    of Medical Examiners, for that matter -- would regard a physician
    who can come up with "Diagnosis: tinnitus. Etiology: Satan"

    Better than they would regard you:

    "I am now an angel." -- Cary Kittrell

    Oh, I doubt that they can touch my not-a-physician license.

    But if they can: hey, that would be cheaper than med school.

    -- cary

  15. "Cary Kittrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "em" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    If you must respond to this IDIOT, please delete the cross-posts outside
    of
    your individual groups. Better yet, if people would ignore this chung
    guy,
    maybe he will go away.

    Again, if you will say which group you are seeing this on,
    I for one will be happy to comply. But without that
    information, I cannot.

    alt.support.diet.low-carb

    Thanks!!

  16. em said:


    "Cary Kittrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "em" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    If you must respond to this IDIOT, please delete the cross-posts outside
    of
    your individual groups. Better yet, if people would ignore this chung
    guy,
    maybe he will go away.

    Again, if you will say which group you are seeing this on,
    I for one will be happy to comply. But without that
    information, I cannot.

    alt.support.diet.low-carb

    Thanks!!

    chung's newsgroup is the cardiology group. simply remove all other
    groups when replying to a troll post from the chung troll.

  17. convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:
    Andrew said:
    convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell said:

    Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > > convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > > > friend Rod <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> What, no one has answered this for you yet?
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Here ya go:
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> >From your cite:
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Context:
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> "Atkins relies on some dubious magic trick where you stuff your face
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> with meat, fat and cholesterol, but it all magically disappears just
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> so long as you don't eat any dreaded carbohydrates." -- JJ Jones
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> The written response to the context:
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> "Hyperketonemia suppresses appetite. There is no magic in this.
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Simply spritz what you are eating with acetone (fingernail polish
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> remover) to add the ketones and replicate their effect." -- Andrew B.
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Chung, MDPhD
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Current comments:
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Acetone continues to be used as fingernail polish remover and it is
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> the same chemical that causes the fruity smell on the breaths of
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> those on Atkin's ketogenic diet. Writing that the weight loss effect
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> of Atkin's ketogenic diet can be replicated with spritzing meals with
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> acetone is no more an endorsement of the latter behavior as writing
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> that the weight loss effect of the 2PD-OMER Approach can be
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> replicated with gastric bypass surgery would be an endorsement of the
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> latter procedure.
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> you to become a blessing to those who have been disappointed with
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> their Atkin's ketogenic diet experience.
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Be hungry... lose the VAT... cure the tinnitus:
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >> Andrew;
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have gone to your convicted webpage to see if any
    > > > > > > > > > > > >> names have turned to the Lord. I was wondering what
    > > > > > > > > > > > >> number I am there, and if you can use my repentance
    > > > > > > > > > > > >> to serve the Lord as well? Perhaps put up some
    > > > > > > > > > > > >> testimonies?
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thank you Andrew.
    > > > > > > > > > > > >>
    > > > > > > > > > > > >> Rod
    > > > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > > > As Andrew will confirm, none have turned to the Lord, but many have
    > > > > > > > > > > > > become demons, having blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Still think he's at all
    > > > > > > > > > > > > sane?
    > > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > > David......when I have read your posts and your comments, have
    > > > > > > > > > > > I hunted you down to judge you ? No David, I have not. I've tried
    > > > > > > > > > > > several different ways of reasoning with your people, not to show
    > > > > > > > > > > > you up or insult you, but to make you understand the facts, and
    > > > > > > > > > > > all my attempts to reach with reason have gone largely ignored.
    > > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > > I don't, and I won't see things your way. Yes, it seems narrow
    > > > > > > > > > > > minded, but in order for me to see things as an atheist I must
    > > > > > > > > > > > become an atheist, and that means giving up a sane life filled
    > > > > > > > > > > > with order, reason and purpose. Now, I have made no judgments
    > > > > > > > > > > > on Andrew one way or the other. His medical advice is sound as
    > > > > > > > > > > > and his spiritual advice as well founded, but in order for you to
    > > > > > > > > > > > truly know this for truth you would have to become something you
    > > > > > > > > > > > have refused to be, a christian. I refuse to walk a mile in your
    > > > > > > > > > > > shoes, and you likewise are incapable of doing so in mine.
    > > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > > Have you proved that demons can't possibly exist ? You can't see
    > > > > > > > > > > > an electron with the naked eye, but rationalising it away doesn't
    > > > > > > > > > > > lessen the reality of it existing. God and the spiritual world are
    > > > > > > > > > > > unknown quantities thrown into the mix, and people think of God as
    > > > > > > > > > > > a supernatural factor, but because we have so little information
    > > > > > > > > > > > on Him, what if he is not supernatural at all, but instead a key
    > > > > > > > > > > > life form keep this universe working.
    > > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > > You've asked me if it is sane to believe that someone has become
    > > > > > > > > > > > a demon ? Would that require me to understand first how it can be
    > > > > > > > > > > > done ?
    > > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > > Where would Bell, Edison and Tesla be right now if they had denied
    > > > > > > > > > > > the existence of electrons because they cannot see them with the
    > > > > > > > > > > > eye or touch them ? Would radio or electrical power be established
    > > > > > > > > > > > by them if them refuse to believe it is there ? Could they have
    > > > > > > > > > > > learned anything of it's nature by denying it is there ?
    > > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > > > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > Good point.
    > > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, I have just become an angel.
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Isn't truly the first in discovery the willingness to admit that you
    > > > > > > > > truly don't know everything, including IF a thing is possible ?
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
    > > > > > > > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Well, then, I most certainly could this very moment be an angel.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Not while you are without GOD.
    > > > >
    > > > > Well then, there's god-can't-do-it-after-all #1...
    > > >
    > > > Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
    > >
    > > GOD could not make it so that my belifes are meaningful
    > > without Him?
    >
    > GOD could have commanded the stones to turn into bread but HE did not
    > (Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4).
    >
    > It is satan who is whispering in your ear and causing your tinnitus,
    > Cary.

    Gee, I wonder how any potential patients -- or the Composite State Board
    of Medical Examiners, for that matter -- would regard a physician
    who can come up with "Diagnosis: tinnitus. Etiology: Satan"

    Better than they would regard you:

    "I am now an angel." -- Cary Kittrell

    Oh, I doubt that they can touch my not-a-physician license.

    A medical license is not required for being an instigator of a
    complaint:

    Cary: "I would like to complain that Dr. Andrew Chung has written that
    satan is causing my tinnitus."

    Receptionist: "You are that guy who wrote on-line that you are now an
    angel, right?"

    Cary: "Yes"

    (laughter in the background.... **click**)

    This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
    you:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

    Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

    http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/press.asp

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist

  18. MD/PhD said:

    When you do this, you will feel hungry.

    Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

    Isn't this just some bizarre American Puritanism as a diet plan? It's
    like asceticism, only
    with louder, more obnoxious ravers, who sadly do not go live in
    mountain caves.

    When will you learn, Mr. Chung (I know, you didn't do 4 years of evil
    medical school to be
    Mr. Chung, thank you), that doing without is not the same as doing
    good or doing well.

    Last thing, if you truly think doing without is doing good, perhaps
    you can go hungry for
    Usenet posting more often. The net would thank you.

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