for all you helmets are bad types...

The other Troll, there is one you

know...urlhttp://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm/url said:

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/dailypost/news/wales/tm_headline=fall-from-bike-killed-young-mother%26method=full%26objectid=19603497%26siteid=50142-name_page.html

Quite:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2708911.stm
http://www.injurywatch.co.uk/inbound/private-school-head-on-trial-after-unsupervised-pupil-dies-pretending-to-be-batman-2477913

Tony

The other view point, there is one you
know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm wrote:

<snip meaningless anecdote>

And it's meaningless because anecdotes, taken together, make up the
whole population statistics which tell us that helmets don't save lives,
whatever you've assumed may have turned out differently here.

Now, back under your bridge, and preferably stay there.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:16:11 -0700, "The other view point, there is
one you know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm"

Quoted message said:

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/dailypost/news/wales/tm_headline=fall-from-bike-killed-young-mother%26method=full%26objectid=19603497%26siteid=50142-name_page.html

What's with the stupid subject line? Someone bangs their head and
dies, so you seem to be suggesting that they'd have been saved by a
helmet? Most spurious conclusion.

My bro recently had a nasty fall where he flipped and impacted the
kerb with his helmet/head (while still clipped in - it happened so
fast). He spent three weeks in hospital and several more at home
recovering from two crushed vertebrae. He's firmly convinced that the
helmet saved his head, but (although I'd never suggest this to him) I
think there's a fair possibility that his injuries were at least
aggrevated, and possibly caused by, the rotational movement engendered
by the helmet/kerb interface.

It's all conjecture either way, of course, but conclusion such as
you're seeming to draw are completely meaningless.
--
Ace in Alsace - brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom

Ace said:

It's all conjecture either way, of course, but conclusion such as
you're seeming to draw are completely meaningless.

But it's pretty safe to conclude that Dewi is a tedious troll who is
either remarkably stupid, or doing a remarkably good impersonation of it.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch said:

Ace said:

It's all conjecture either way, of course, but conclusion such as
you're seeming to draw are completely meaningless.

But it's pretty safe to conclude that Dewi is a tedious troll who is
either remarkably stupid, or doing a remarkably good impersonation of it.

Indeed. And I don;t think there's any impersonation going on.

I did consider deleting my post halfway through, but realised that I
still wanted to say the stuff about my brother's neck injury, so hit
send anyway.

--
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Peter Clinch said:

And it's meaningless because anecdotes, taken together, make up the
whole population statistics which tell us that helmets don't save lives,
whatever you've assumed may have turned out differently here.

As a friend of mine says, the plural of anecdote is not data.

Tony

Peter Clinch said:

The other view point, there is one you

know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htmwrote:

<snip meaningless anecdote>

And it's meaningless because anecdotes, taken together, make up the
whole population statistics which tell us that helmets don't save lives,
whatever you've assumed may have turned out differently here.

Now, back under your bridge, and preferably stay there.

Pete.

lol

Ace said:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:16:11 -0700, "The other view point, there is
one you know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm"

Quoted message said:

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/dailypost/news/wales/tm_headline=...

What's with the stupid subject line? Someone bangs their head and
dies, so you seem to be suggesting that they'd have been saved by a
helmet? Most spurious conclusion.

My bro recently had a nasty fall where he flipped and impacted the
kerb with his helmet/head (while still clipped in - it happened so
fast). He spent three weeks in hospital and several more at home
recovering from two crushed vertebrae. He's firmly convinced that the
helmet saved his head, but (although I'd never suggest this to him) I
think there's a fair possibility that his injuries were at least
aggrevated, and possibly caused by, the rotational movement engendered
by the helmet/kerb interface.

what was the better choice then, cracked head or two crushed
vertebrae?

Quoted message said:

It's all conjecture either way, of course, but conclusion such as
you're seeming to draw are completely meaningless.

aren't all facts, that's why they are manipulated!

Peter Clinch said:

Ace said:

It's all conjecture either way, of course, but conclusion such as
you're seeming to draw are completely meaningless.

But it's pretty safe to conclude that Dewi is a tedious troll who is
either remarkably stupid, or doing a remarkably good impersonation of it.

lol

Quoted message said:

what was the better choice then, cracked head or two crushed
vertebrae?

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

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Ian Smith said:

Quoted message said:

what was the better choice then, cracked head or two crushed
vertebrae?

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

lol, have you started beating your 'meat'?

I certainly feel safer wearing a helmet - particularly when hitting 50
mph. Can only imagine the consequences would be dire if my head hit the
ground at any reasonable speed.

Paul Turnbull said:

I certainly feel safer wearing a helmet - particularly when hitting 50
mph. Can only imagine the consequences would be dire if my head hit the
ground at any reasonable speed.

50mph? How well do you expect it to perform at 16 times its design limit?

Tony

On 10 Aug, 07:16, "The other view point, there is one you
know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm"

Quoted message said:

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/dailypost/news/wales/tm_headline=...

Terribly sad, but individual cases are meaningless.

Ian

Tony Raven said:

Paul Turnbull said:

I certainly feel safer wearing a helmet - particularly when hitting 50
mph. Can only imagine the consequences would be dire if my head hit the
ground at any reasonable speed.

50mph? How well do you expect it to perform at 16 times its design limit?

Tony

i'm sure he wears the body armor as well.

16times is that energy or speed?

roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com

Tony Raven said:

The other Troll, there is one you

know...urlhttp://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm/url said:

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/dailypost/news/wales/tm_headline=fall-from-bike-killed-young-mother%26method=full%26objectid=19603497%26siteid=50142-name_page.html

I have just read the article, and the English is very bad
for someone who purportedly writes for a newspaper.

Roger Merriman said:

Tony Raven said:

Paul Turnbull said:

I certainly feel safer wearing a helmet - particularly when hitting 50
mph. Can only imagine the consequences would be dire if my head hit the
ground at any reasonable speed.

50mph? How well do you expect it to perform at 16 times its design limit?

Tony

i'm sure he wears the body armor as well.

16times is that energy or speed?

Energy.
Helmets are design for crashes upto 12mph. (50/12)^2= 17.4

However that op quoted article states:

"None of them was wearing helmets."

Which implies we should all be wearing multiple cycle
helmets.

Martin Dann said:

Tony Raven said:

The other Troll, there is one you
know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htmwrote:

Quoted message said:

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/dailypost/news/wales/tm_headline=...

I have just read the article, and the English is very bad
for someone who purportedly writes for a newspaper.

Tut, did you understand the story?

I guess you do know that when you start criticising the way something
is written (unless your proof reading), spelling, grammar etc means
that you have nothing to add to the thread...

Ian said:

On 10 Aug, 07:16, "The other view point, there is one you
know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm"

Quoted message said:

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/dailypost/news/wales/tm_headline=...

Terribly sad, but individual cases are meaningless.

Ian

It's an actual case with verifiable information. Unlike the mantra
that's bandied around by the anti helmets.

The info/data must come from the A&E stats not the police KSI data.