Killing for the same reason

You want some cheese with the wine??

I take it you would never kill a rat that moved into your house?

Wake up to the real world not the fluffy care bear one.

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Quoted message said:

An Enquiry to the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds

Angus Macmillan:

Visitor name:
Visitor e-mail: [email hidden]
Date of comment: 29/07/2007 15:16:56
Page commented on: http://www.rspb.org.uk/media/releases/index.asp

Comment:
The RSPB rightly condemns rogue gamekeepers for poisoning raptors that
prey on the eggs and chicks of gamebirds.

So is it ethical that you should be killing, or advocating the killing
of, wildlife that prey of the eggs and chicks of birds you wish to
protect?

______________________

RSPB:

Thank you for your enquiry.

The RSPB only undertakes predator control if the species concerned
poses a real conservation threat to one or other species. A good
example would be the short-term control of foxes and crows at
Abernethy Forest in order to improve the parlous state of the resident
capercaillie and black grouse populations.

Yours sincerely

Darren Oakley-Martin
Wildlife Advisor
The RSPB
The Lodge, Sandy, Bedfordshire SG19 2DL
Tel: 01767 693419

__________________

Angus Macmillan:

Subject: Re: Predator Control
Date: 01/08/2007

To: [email hidden]

Dear Mr Oakley-Martin

Does the text below sound familiar, despite the slight alterations?

Rogue gamekeepers only undertake predator control if the species
concerned poses a real conservation threat to one or other species. A
good example would be the short-term control of birds of prey on
shooting estates in order to improve the parlous state of the resident
pheasant and grouse populations.

Of course it should! It's more or less your reply word for word.

So ethically there is little or no difference between rogue
gamekeepers and the RSPB.

Both are killing wildlife for the same reason.

Yours sincerely

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from Boo contained
the following:

Quoted message said:

I take it you would never kill a rat that moved into your house?

I wouldn't kill a rat if I there were other ways of getting rid of it.
For one thing, having decomposing rats underneath the floorboards
creates a stink that lasts for ages.

--
Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
It's only Usenet, no one dies.
My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/

Geoff Berrow said:

Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from Boo contained
the following:

Quoted message said:

I take it you would never kill a rat that moved into your house?

I wouldn't kill a rat if I there were other ways of getting rid of it.
For one thing, having decomposing rats underneath the floorboards
creates a stink that lasts for ages.

Ahhhh... But would you kill an Angus if it moved into your house? It
might create a stink that lasts for ages, but at least you'd know that
the stink would eventually go.

The message <[email hidden]>
from Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

Ahhhh... But would you kill an Angus if it moved into your house? It
might create a stink that lasts for ages, but at least you'd know that
the stink would eventually go.

There is a silly thread with many cross posts running elsewhere which I
read only one entry as a time as I move on to the next thread. One of
the contributors came up with a curious claim quoted (in part) below:

"But there are some daft laws on the statute book:
1) It is illegal to operate a taxi that doesn't carry a bale of hay in
the boot.
2) It is legal to kill a Scotsman who is wearing a kilt in York provided
you use a bow and arrow."

So if someone could persuade Bloody Angus to visit York while wearing a
kilt we could all invest in some medieval weaponry and have some sport
hunting Angus. :-)

--
Roger Chapman
Nearest Marilyn still to be visited - Great Orme.
89 miles as the crow flies,
considerably more as the walker drives.

Roger said:

The message <[email hidden]>
from Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> contains
these words:

Quoted message said:

Ahhhh... But would you kill an Angus if it moved into your house?
It might create a stink that lasts for ages, but at least you'd know
that the stink would eventually go.

There is a silly thread with many cross posts running elsewhere which
I
read only one entry as a time as I move on to the next thread. One of
the contributors came up with a curious claim quoted (in part) below:

"But there are some daft laws on the statute book:
1) It is illegal to operate a taxi that doesn't carry a bale of hay in
the boot.
2) It is legal to kill a Scotsman who is wearing a kilt in York
provided
you use a bow and arrow."

So if someone could persuade Bloody Angus to visit York while wearing
a
kilt we could all invest in some medieval weaponry and have some sport
hunting Angus. :-)

I'm sure the Royal Armouries in Leeds would lend you something suitable for
such a worthy cause. ;O)

--

Regards
Nick

In message <[email hidden]>, Roger
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

The message <[email hidden]>
from Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

Ahhhh... But would you kill an Angus if it moved into your house? It
might create a stink that lasts for ages, but at least you'd know that
the stink would eventually go.

There is a silly thread with many cross posts running elsewhere which I
read only one entry as a time as I move on to the next thread. One of
the contributors came up with a curious claim quoted (in part) below:

"But there are some daft laws on the statute book:
1) It is illegal to operate a taxi that doesn't carry a bale of hay in
the boot.
2) It is legal to kill a Scotsman who is wearing a kilt in York provided
you use a bow and arrow."

So if someone could persuade Bloody Angus to visit York while wearing a
kilt we could all invest in some medieval weaponry and have some sport
hunting Angus. :-)

Lest you forget .....You could send for Fran !
--
Bill Grey

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:50:41 +0100, "Boo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

You want some cheese with the wine??

I take it you would never kill a rat that moved into your house?

Correct. I would catch it in a humane trap and let it go outside.

Quoted message said:

Wake up to the real world not the fluffy care bear one.

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

An Enquiry to the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds

Angus Macmillan:

Visitor name:
Visitor e-mail: [email hidden]
Date of comment: 29/07/2007 15:16:56
Page commented on: http://www.rspb.org.uk/media/releases/index.asp

Comment:
The RSPB rightly condemns rogue gamekeepers for poisoning raptors that
prey on the eggs and chicks of gamebirds.

So is it ethical that you should be killing, or advocating the killing
of, wildlife that prey of the eggs and chicks of birds you wish to
protect?

______________________

RSPB:

Thank you for your enquiry.

The RSPB only undertakes predator control if the species concerned
poses a real conservation threat to one or other species. A good
example would be the short-term control of foxes and crows at
Abernethy Forest in order to improve the parlous state of the resident
capercaillie and black grouse populations.

Yours sincerely

Darren Oakley-Martin
Wildlife Advisor
The RSPB
The Lodge, Sandy, Bedfordshire SG19 2DL
Tel: 01767 693419

__________________

Angus Macmillan:

Subject: Re: Predator Control
Date: 01/08/2007

To: [email hidden]

Dear Mr Oakley-Martin

Does the text below sound familiar, despite the slight alterations?

Rogue gamekeepers only undertake predator control if the species
concerned poses a real conservation threat to one or other species. A
good example would be the short-term control of birds of prey on
shooting estates in order to improve the parlous state of the resident
pheasant and grouse populations.

Of course it should! It's more or less your reply word for word.

So ethically there is little or no difference between rogue
gamekeepers and the RSPB.

Both are killing wildlife for the same reason.

Yours sincerely

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Tom Crispin said:

Geoff Berrow said:

Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from Boo contained
the following:

Quoted message said:

I take it you would never kill a rat that moved into your house?

I wouldn't kill a rat if I there were other ways of getting rid of it.
For one thing, having decomposing rats underneath the floorboards
creates a stink that lasts for ages.

Ahhhh... But would you kill an Angus if it moved into your house? It
might create a stink that lasts for ages, but at least you'd know that
the stink would eventually go.

Not if you occupied the house.

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:52:39 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The message <[email hidden]>
from Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

Ahhhh... But would you kill an Angus if it moved into your house? It
might create a stink that lasts for ages, but at least you'd know that
the stink would eventually go.

There is a silly thread with many cross posts running elsewhere which I
read only one entry as a time as I move on to the next thread. One of
the contributors came up with a curious claim quoted (in part) below:

"But there are some daft laws on the statute book:
1) It is illegal to operate a taxi that doesn't carry a bale of hay in
the boot.
2) It is legal to kill a Scotsman who is wearing a kilt in York provided
you use a bow and arrow."

So if someone could persuade Bloody Angus to visit York while wearing a
kilt we could all invest in some medieval weaponry and have some sport
hunting Angus. :-)

Brave hunters generally hunt defenceless creatures.

You might get a shock.

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Angus did say "Correct. I would catch it in a humane trap and let it
go outside"

Angus, I believe the rat would think your kindness an invitatation
to raid your pasta and rice at the next available opportunity.
Possibly to bring his wife and set up house and rear some kids too.
How could you deny the neighbours fine terrier his moment of
glory, he or she was born to the job?
The poisoning of raptors by the lackeys of fat boys and foreign
landlords to yield more gunmeat is worthy of very close scrutiny. As
for engineering a resurgence of the rarer life of the Abernethy
forest, doomed to failure from the outset.

Quoted message said:

Angus did say "Correct. I would catch it in a humane trap and let it
go outside"

Angus, I believe the rat would think your kindness an invitatation
to raid your pasta and rice at the next available opportunity.

If you think that you're part of the problem of having rats. Don't
feed them and they'll go away.

Quoted message said:

Possibly to bring his wife and set up house and rear some kids too.
How could you deny the neighbours fine terrier his moment of
glory, he or she was born to the job?
The poisoning of raptors by the lackeys of fat boys and foreign
landlords to yield more gunmeat is worthy of very close scrutiny. As
for engineering a resurgence of the rarer life of the Abernethy
forest, doomed to failure from the outset.

The killing is still for the same reason.

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Quoted message said:

An Enquiry to the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds

Angus Macmillan:

Visitor name:
Visitor e-mail: [email hidden]
Date of comment: 29/07/2007 15:16:56
Page commented on:http://www.rspb.org.uk/media/releases/index.asp

Comment:
The RSPB rightly condemns rogue gamekeepers for poisoning raptors that
prey on the eggs and chicks of gamebirds.

So is it ethical that you should be killing, or advocating the killing
of, wildlife that prey of the eggs and chicks of birds you wish to
protect?

______________________

RSPB:

Thank you for your enquiry.

The RSPB only undertakes predator control if the species concerned
poses a real conservation threat to one or other species. A good
example would be the short-term control of foxes and crows at
Abernethy Forest in order to improve the parlous state of the resident
capercaillie and black grouse populations.

Yours sincerely

Darren Oakley-Martin
Wildlife Advisor
The RSPB
The Lodge, Sandy, Bedfordshire SG19 2DL
Tel: 01767 693419

__________________

Angus Macmillan:

Subject: Re: Predator Control
Date: 01/08/2007

To: [email hidden]

Dear Mr Oakley-Martin

Does the text below sound familiar, despite the slight alterations?

Rogue gamekeepers only undertake predator control if the species
concerned poses a real conservation threat to one or other species. A
good example would be the short-term control of birds of prey on
shooting estates in order to improve the parlous state of the resident
pheasant and grouse populations.

Of course it should! It's more or less your reply word for word.

So ethically there is little or no difference between rogue
gamekeepers and the RSPB.

Both are killing wildlife for the same reason.

Yours sincerely

Angus Macmillanwww.roots-of-blood.org.ukwww.killhunting.orgwww.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Ethical? Which set of ethics? The whole point of conservation is to
preserve species we like while eliminating those we don't like. It's
aesthetic, utilitaian, but ethics doesn't come into it. Mosquitoes and
crows - bye bye! Raptors - welcome!