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  1. I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that...

    The embalming fluid they add to the meat is mostly sodium phosphates;
    the phosphate make the meat retain the water. Would this actually be a
    *good* thing for making sausage? Some commercial sausage recipes
    actually have phosphate additives to keep the sausage from drying out
    when it's cooked.

    I might try it next time Cub Foods (which sells Walmartized pork) has
    pork butts or picnics on sale. I wonder if the sodium content of the
    "enhanced" solution is enough that I'd have to adjust the salt in the
    recipe?

    Best regards,
    Bob

  2. zxcvbob said:

    I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that...

    The embalming fluid they add to the meat is mostly sodium phosphates;
    the phosphate make the meat retain the water. Would this actually be a
    *good* thing for making sausage? Some commercial sausage recipes
    actually have phosphate additives to keep the sausage from drying out
    when it's cooked.

    I might try it next time Cub Foods (which sells Walmartized pork) has
    pork butts or picnics on sale. I wonder if the sodium content of the
    "enhanced" solution is enough that I'd have to adjust the salt in the
    recipe?

    Best regards,
    Bob

    Why bother? Why not just buy actual fresh meat from a reputable supplier
    and add what you want?

  3. zxcvbob said:

    I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that...

    The embalming fluid they add to the meat is mostly sodium phosphates;

    It's mostly salt water for flavor and bulk. The phosphates help
    toughen the cell walls and keep in all inside during cooking.

    Quoted message said:

    the phosphate make the meat retain the water. Would this actually be a
    *good* thing for making sausage? Some commercial sausage recipes
    actually have phosphate additives to keep the sausage from drying out
    when it's cooked.

    I've experimented with phosphates in my younger years (sodium and
    potassium pyrophosphates, and Sodium tripolyphosphate)

    Over-use can make the sausage unpalatably gummy and chewy. They
    do indeed keep that fat and juices in the sausage, but at a
    price. Getting the proportions right is extremely tricky. I
    usually only use it in *very* small quantities.

    I'm sure the Walmart suppliers use it by the bucket.

    Phosphates are acceptable in a brine or an emulsion in *very
    limited* quantities - .25 to .5 teaspoon per 5-8 lbs (2kg) of
    pork and/or beef. It's also used in making pates for this
    reason, but even more care is advised - especially if they are to
    contain unrendered poultry fat. Never use it in anything
    containing white meat poultry.

    I usually mix mine with wine or broth and add it to the raw
    pre-emulsion.

    Quoted message said:

    I might try it next time Cub Foods (which sells Walmartized pork) has
    pork butts or picnics on sale. I wonder if the sodium content of the
    "enhanced" solution is enough that I'd have to adjust the salt in the
    recipe?

    I suggest going to a Asian market to buy your phosphates and then
    buy quality meat from someplace respectable - anything but
    Walmart.

    In Asian markets it's labeled as "Nam Powder" or "Accord". It's
    used in Asian cuisines for making meatballs and [pork skin]
    sausages. Note that Asians value gummy textures more than most
    other cuisines.

    -sw

  4. George said:
    zxcvbob said:

    I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that...

    The embalming fluid they add to the meat is mostly sodium phosphates;
    the phosphate make the meat retain the water. Would this actually be
    a *good* thing for making sausage? Some commercial sausage recipes
    actually have phosphate additives to keep the sausage from drying out
    when it's cooked.

    I might try it next time Cub Foods (which sells Walmartized pork) has
    pork butts or picnics on sale. I wonder if the sodium content of the
    "enhanced" solution is enough that I'd have to adjust the salt in the
    recipe?

    Best regards,
    Bob

    Why bother? Why not just buy actual fresh meat from a reputable supplier
    and add what you want?

    I was pleasantly surprised & pleased when m'butcher immediately grabbed
    some beef and ground it for me after i had asked him for 2 lbws of
    ground beef, of which he was out, but he just took a big piece of beef
    out of his display case and ground it up for me. $1.29 per pound.

    He is Chinese i believe, it is an Chinese store and i notice that most
    of the pork his other chinese clients purchase from him in large pieces
    he then grinds for them.

    I get a nice piece of beef shoulder from him for about 2 dollars a pound

    Very pleasant small grocery store, lots of fruits and veggies and a
    small butchers aisle, i do most of my shopping there, only going to a
    couple of other stores for the wide selections of condiments.
    --
    JL

  5. On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:50:07 -0500, zxcvbob <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that...

    We just got a hunk of pork from WalMart for $1.87/pound. I don't
    remember the cut, but it was held together with one of those hairnets
    for meat. Took off the hairnet and tossed it in the crockpot over
    night. It's shredding beautifully, and in a couple hours, will be
    part of some very tasty enchiladas. Lots cheaper than the cheapest
    cut of beef would have been, and pork has such better flavor!

    Carol

  6. George said:
    zxcvbob said:

    I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that...

    Quoted message said:

    The embalming fluid they add to the meat is mostly sodium phosphates;
    the phosphate make the meat retain the water. Would this actually be a
    *good* thing for making sausage? Some commercial sausage recipes
    actually have phosphate additives to keep the sausage from drying out
    when it's cooked.

    Quoted message said:

    I might try it next time Cub Foods (which sells Walmartized pork) has
    pork butts or picnics on sale. I wonder if the sodium content of the
    "enhanced" solution is enough that I'd have to adjust the salt in the
    recipe?

    Quoted message said:

    Best regards,
    Bob

    Why bother? Why not just buy actual fresh meat from a reputable supplier
    and add what you want?

    Plus if he plays his cards right, he might even end up supporting a
    local business.

  7. "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    We just got a hunk of pork from WalMart for $1.87/pound. I don't
    remember the cut, but it was held together with one of those hairnets
    for meat. Took off the hairnet and tossed it in the crockpot over
    night. It's shredding beautifully, and in a couple hours, will be
    part of some very tasty enchiladas. Lots cheaper than the cheapest
    cut of beef would have been, and pork has such better flavor!

    Carol

    You really paid about $2.15 a pound after you take out the stuff they
    injected into it. Why not get a nice unadulterated picnic for about $1.99?

    Your money, your choice, but I'm not going to pay $1.87 a pound ($15.00 a
    gallon) for salt water.
    --
    Ed
    http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

  8. Christopher Helms said:
    George said:
    zxcvbob said:

    I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that...
    The embalming fluid they add to the meat is mostly sodium phosphates;
    the phosphate make the meat retain the water. Would this actually be a
    *good* thing for making sausage? Some commercial sausage recipes
    actually have phosphate additives to keep the sausage from drying out
    when it's cooked.
    I might try it next time Cub Foods (which sells Walmartized pork) has
    pork butts or picnics on sale. I wonder if the sodium content of the
    "enhanced" solution is enough that I'd have to adjust the salt in the
    recipe?
    Best regards,
    Bob


    Why bother? Why not just buy actual fresh meat from a reputable supplier
    and add what you want?

    Plus if he plays his cards right, he might even end up supporting a
    local business.

    Didn't anyone see where I said "Cub Foods"? I'm just saying that the
    adulterated meat (and it's getting hard to find anything but, no matter
    where you shop) might be *good* for making sausage.

    Everybody is so preachy here lately.

    Bob

  9. On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:36:38 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Damsel in dis Dress said:

    We just got a hunk of pork from WalMart for $1.87/pound. I don't
    remember the cut, but it was held together with one of those hairnets
    for meat. Took off the hairnet and tossed it in the crockpot over
    night. It's shredding beautifully, and in a couple hours, will be
    part of some very tasty enchiladas. Lots cheaper than the cheapest
    cut of beef would have been, and pork has such better flavor!

    Carol

    You really paid about $2.15 a pound after you take out the stuff they
    injected into it. Why not get a nice unadulterated picnic for about $1.99?

    I would if I could. There are no good prices for meat in this town.
    Anywhere. Ever. At Thanksgiving, the cheapest turkeys are .88 per
    pound. Corned beef goes down a little in March, but NOTHING like what
    I read about here. The joys of living in Smalltown, USA.

    Carol (the enchiladas were good)

  10. Damsel in dis Dress said:

    I would if I could. There are no good prices for meat in this town.
    Anywhere. Ever. At Thanksgiving, the cheapest turkeys are .88 per
    pound. Corned beef goes down a little in March, but NOTHING like what
    I read about here. The joys of living in Smalltown, USA.

    AFIC 88¢ a pound is a good price for turkey. If you buy enough
    groceries, you can find a buy one get one free offer.... but that's
    not year 'round.

    --

    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marks

  11. sf said:

    On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:31:00 -0500, Damsel in dis Dress

    Quoted message said:

    I would if I could. There are no good prices for meat in this town.
    Anywhere. Ever. At Thanksgiving, the cheapest turkeys are .88 per
    pound. Corned beef goes down a little in March, but NOTHING like what
    I read about here. The joys of living in Smalltown, USA.

    AFIC 88¢ a pound is a good price for turkey.

    It's that pre-brined frozen turkey, no doubt.

    Quoted message said:

    If you buy enough
    groceries, you can find a buy one get one free offer.... but that's
    not year 'round.

    Maybe not where she lives. Wal-Mart might have driven the competition
    out of business.

    Quoted message said:

    --Bryan

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    zxcvbob said:
    Christopher Helms said:
    George said:

    zxcvbob wrote:
    > I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that... The
    > embalming fluid they add to the meat is mostly sodium phosphates;
    > the phosphate make the meat retain the water. Would this
    > actually be a *good* thing for making sausage? Some commercial
    > sausage recipes actually have phosphate additives to keep the
    > sausage from drying out when it's cooked. I might try it next
    > time Cub Foods (which sells Walmartized pork) has pork butts or
    > picnics on sale. I wonder if the sodium content of the
    > "enhanced" solution is enough that I'd have to adjust the salt in
    > the recipe?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Best regards,
    > Bob
    Why bother? Why not just buy actual fresh meat from a reputable supplier
    and add what you want?

    Plus if he plays his cards right, he might even end up supporting a
    local business.

    Didn't anyone see where I said "Cub Foods"? I'm just saying that the
    adulterated meat (and it's getting hard to find anything but, no matter
    where you shop) might be *good* for making sausage.

    Everybody is so preachy here lately.

    Bob

    LOL. You asked for it! '-)
    Any way you could adjust by percentage? I think the pigmeat labels say
    what the percentage of <cough> flavor solution is.
    *I'm* not preaching!
    --
    -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
    http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
    pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Damsel in dis Dress said:

    On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:50:07 -0500, zxcvbob <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that...

    We just got a hunk of pork from WalMart for $1.87/pound. I don't
    remember the cut, but it was held together with one of those hairnets
    for meat. Took off the hairnet and tossed it in the crockpot over
    night. It's shredding beautifully, and in a couple hours, will be
    part of some very tasty enchiladas. Lots cheaper than the cheapest
    cut of beef would have been, and pork has such better flavor!

    Carol

    All right, you've almost got me convinced to ruin yet another piece of
    meat in the crockpot -- I've got a lousy track record with the damned
    things. Did you put *anything* else in the pot with the meat?
    Seasonings? Water? Beer?

    Inquiring Mind, ever the optimist, Wants to Know.
    --
    -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
    http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
    pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

  14. Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Damsel in dis Dress said:

    On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:50:07 -0500, zxcvbob <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that...


    We just got a hunk of pork from WalMart for $1.87/pound. I don't
    remember the cut, but it was held together with one of those hairnets
    for meat. Took off the hairnet and tossed it in the crockpot over
    night. It's shredding beautifully, and in a couple hours, will be
    part of some very tasty enchiladas. Lots cheaper than the cheapest
    cut of beef would have been, and pork has such better flavor!

    Carol

    All right, you've almost got me convinced to ruin yet another piece of
    meat in the crockpot -- I've got a lousy track record with the damned
    things. Did you put *anything* else in the pot with the meat?
    Seasonings? Water? Beer?

    Inquiring Mind, ever the optimist, Wants to Know.

    Try a can of Las Palmas enchilada sauce. The green tastes better IMHO,
    but red will look better.

    (I'd use the Bigass covered roaster rather than a crockpot to cook the
    meat; maybe transfer the shredded pork and the sauce to the crockpot and
    let them doit for while before serving)

    Bob

  15. Damsel in dis Dress said:

    On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:50:07 -0500, zxcvbob <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that...

    We just got a hunk of pork from WalMart for $1.87/pound. I don't
    remember the cut, but it was held together with one of those hairnets
    for meat. Took off the hairnet and tossed it in the crockpot over
    night. It's shredding beautifully, and in a couple hours, will be
    part of some very tasty enchiladas. Lots cheaper than the cheapest
    cut of beef would have been, and pork has such better flavor!

    Carol

    I favor pork over beef mainly because I like the taste. I buy it at our
    local big Mom & Pop Italian market. They have an actual meat department
    and since Italians are big on pork they always have a great selection of
    fresh product at good prices.

    The embalmed Walmart meat is no bargain because you are paying for the
    extra weight of the embalming solution.

  16. On Aug 14, 7:59 am, Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Damsel in dis Dress said:

    On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:50:07 -0500, zxcvbob <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that...

    Quoted message said:

    We just got a hunk of pork from WalMart for $1.87/pound. I don't
    remember the cut, but it was held together with one of those hairnets
    for meat. Took off the hairnet and tossed it in the crockpot over
    night. It's shredding beautifully, and in a couple hours, will be
    part of some very tasty enchiladas. Lots cheaper than the cheapest
    cut of beef would have been, and pork has such better flavor!

    Quoted message said:

    Carol

    All right, you've almost got me convinced to ruin yet another piece of
    meat in the crockpot -- I've got a lousy track record with the damned
    things.

    The folks who brined the meat have pre-ruined it. The crock pot is a
    salvage device.

    Quoted message said:

    Did you put *anything* else in the pot with the meat?
    Seasonings? Water? Beer?

    The beer goes in the cook, not the crock pot.

    Quoted message said:


    Inquiring Mind, ever the optimist, Wants to Know.
    --
    -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJhttp://www.jamlady.eboard.com- story and
    pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

    --Bryan

  17. Damsel in dis Dress said:

    We just got a hunk of pork from WalMart for $1.87/pound. I don't
    remember the cut, but it was held together with one of those hairnets
    for meat. Took off the hairnet and tossed it in the crockpot over
    night. It's shredding beautifully, and in a couple hours, will be
    part of some very tasty enchiladas. Lots cheaper than the cheapest
    cut of beef would have been, and pork has such better flavor!

    Carol

    But you're obviously aware and have no problems understanding that you
    also paid $1.87/pound for salt water too. If I wanted salt water I could
    make it for a LOT less money, eh? Some folks just have no clue what
    they're buying because they're kinda... ignorant?

    It is getting a lot harder to find unadulterated meat these days.. <sigh>

  18. "zxcvbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm just thinking here... Devil's Advocate, and all that...

    Quoted message said:


    I realize it is fun to beat up on Wal-Mart, but as you said "Devil's
    Advocate, and all that..."

    Do you really think Wal-Mart has its own meat packing house? There are only
    5-7 companies that own all the houses in the US, maybe less now days.

    So I'm betting Tyson is Walmart's Vendor. Tyson sells 1 out of every 4 lbs
    of meats in American today and are attempting to " vertical "Beef production
    the way it does it's chicken. One truck load for all meats direct from the
    Vendor it what Megastores like to see.

    But back to your post on Sodium enhancements . You are hard pressed to find
    a main stream Chain store than does not have a boat load of "enhanced
    meats" in it. It is pretty much all case ready now days with home
    replacement meal packages taking up a good chunk of space. I bet most here
    have not recently had a ham or turkey that was not "enhanced" in some way,
    especially if it was a Butterball. As much as I dislike paying extra for
    something I can do, it is a convenience in time and effort that Americans
    have shown they are willing to pay for, not to mention more flavorful for
    those with limited cooking skills. I brine most pork and chicken these
    days not only to add my flavor touch but for the simple fact it is way too
    lean and not very favorable.

    As to Sodium's Health issues ? I understand that salt is the next target
    after Trans-fats for the health folks. I do understand reducing it in
    packaged and canned food, but I cannot imagine cooking, curing or preparing
    Meats without it and do not want to find out what patented process the
    smart-guy scientists would come up with to sell us on replacing it.

    http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/enhancedmeat.html

    http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Fact_Sheets/Additives_in_Meat_&_Poultry_Products/index.asp

  19. Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Damsel in dis Dress said:

    We just got a hunk of pork from WalMart for $1.87/pound. I don't
    remember the cut, but it was held together with one of those hairnets
    for meat. Took off the hairnet and tossed it in the crockpot over
    night. It's shredding beautifully, and in a couple hours, will be
    part of some very tasty enchiladas. Lots cheaper than the cheapest
    cut of beef would have been, and pork has such better flavor!

    All right, you've almost got me convinced to ruin yet another piece of
    meat in the crockpot -- I've got a lousy track record with the damned
    things. Did you put *anything* else in the pot with the meat?
    Seasonings? Water? Beer?

    Inquiring Mind, ever the optimist, Wants to Know.

    I didn't add any seasonings because we're using the meat for a couple
    different things. I'll bet beer would be excellent, though. I didn't
    add any liquid (as I would have with 100% meat) because the crockpot
    collects the "juices" as they're released, so there's no problem with
    the meat drying out.

    The crockpot is perfect if you want to shred the meat for some
    purpose. Just turn it on low and let the stuff cook overnight.

    Here's a recipe to go with your beered-up shredded pork (don't tell
    anyone here that I said this, but a couple drops of liquid smoke
    stirred into the meat liquid, then mixed with the shredded meat might
    not be all bad) You could skip the ham hocks, I'd imagine. I put the
    meat in them because I like it, not because it's traditional.

    (My Chicago Beef sammiches turned out okay for ya, didn't they?)

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    Drunk Pinto Beans (Frijoles Borracho)

    Recipe By :Carol Peterson
    Serving Size : 0 Preparation Time :0:00
    Categories : Beans/Legumes Side Dishes

    Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
    -------- ------------ --------------------------------
    --- Soak ---
    1 pound dried pinto beans -- (450 grams)
    4 cups water -- for soaking
    --- Beans ---
    1 tablespoon bacon drippings
    2 medium yellow onions -- chopped
    4 cloves garlic -- minced
    2 smoked ham hocks -- or 1/2 pound diced ham
    12 ounces beer -- up to 16 ounces, plus...
    water -- to total 8 cups liquid
    --- Seasonings ---
    granulated onion
    granulated garlic
    salt
    coarsely ground pepper
    --- Optional Toppings ---
    shredded cheddar cheese
    chopped yellow onions
    salsa
    chopped cilantro -- (coriander leaves)

    Pick over beans, removing small stones and clods of dirt. Soak beans
    in 4 cups of water overnight, or for 6-8 hours. Drain and rinse
    soaked beans.

    Sauté chopped onions in hot bacon drippings until onions are
    translucent; add minced garlic and heat briefly. Add ham hocks,
    onions, garlic, beer and water to beans. Heat to boiling, then reduce
    heat. Boil gently, with lid ajar, for 60-90 minutes, until soft but
    not mushy. Add liquid as needed. Remove ham hocks, separate and chop
    meat, and add back to the pot. Season to taste.

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    NOTES : Best if eaten one or more days after cooking.

  20. On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:49:02 -0400, Goomba38 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Damsel in dis Dress said:

    We just got a hunk of pork from WalMart for $1.87/pound. I don't
    remember the cut, but it was held together with one of those hairnets
    for meat. Took off the hairnet and tossed it in the crockpot over
    night. It's shredding beautifully, and in a couple hours, will be
    part of some very tasty enchiladas. Lots cheaper than the cheapest
    cut of beef would have been, and pork has such better flavor!

    Carol

    But you're obviously aware and have no problems understanding that you
    also paid $1.87/pound for salt water too. If I wanted salt water I could
    make it for a LOT less money, eh? Some folks just have no clue what
    they're buying because they're kinda... ignorant?

    It is getting a lot harder to find unadulterated meat these days.. <sigh>

    I knew exactly what I was buying. The issue is limited financial
    resources, not intelligence resources.

    Carol

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