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  1. Wired has a nice article about how non-sport bikes are hot sellers again:

    http://www.wired.com/cars/coolwheels/news/2007/09/interbike_urbanbikers

    This proves what can happen when fresh, smart people like Ms. Yeager are
    put in charge of marketing, and allowed to try something different than
    the same tired old formulas (More carbon! Even fewer spokes!).

    This summer I spent 2.5 weeks in southern CA, where beach cruisers are
    back with a vengeance. Everyone is riding, and teenagers are again using
    bikes as their preferred mode of transportation. There seem to be 3x as
    many bike shops as 5 years ago, most of them selling beach cruisers and a
    few town/city bikes.

    Text of the article is below, for the Usenet archives, in case Wired
    eventually makes it unavailable.

    Matt O.

    ***

    "City Bike" Hot New Category at Bicycle Industry Show

    --LAS VEGAS -- Some people believe that, right now, a quiet revolution is
    taking place. In cities like London, San Francisco, Boston and New York,
    the ranks of bicycle riders are swelling with the rise of a new breed: the
    urban biker.

    Traffic snarls, soaring gas prices and worries about global warming have
    prompted a big boost in cycling, affecting even places like Los Angeles --
    America's freeway capital -- that have traditionally given bicycles the
    cold shoulder.

    "What's really happened in the past year is a cultural shift," says Monica
    Howe, 31-year-old outreach coordinator for the Los Angeles County Bicycle
    Coalition.

    At Interbike 2007, the bicycle industry's giant annual trade show, the
    shift toward the urban rider is loudly evident. Fancy road and mountain
    bikes are clearly no longer king of the roost -- or road. It's the scads
    of fixed-gear, town, single-speed and other urban bicycles that are
    drawing the crowds.

    The rise of the urban biker is reflected in Specialized's 2008 catalog,
    which lists 34 different models of city bike to choose from.

    The company is even rolling out six different versions of its ultrapopular
    single-speed, fixed-gear Langster. Each model is named after a city that's
    on the urban biker radar: the four cities named above, plus Chicago and
    Seattle. The New York Langster has narrow handlebars for speeding through
    ranks of slow-moving cars, while the Seattle model is equipped with
    fenders.

    "People really gravitated toward bikes with that urban feel," says Travis
    Widder, an associate production manager at Specialized. "We wanted to give
    nods toward cities where that bike sold well, where people really embraced
    that category."

    Interbike 2007 is a lot less sporty than years past. Clothing
    manufacturers have more messenger bags on show. Jerseys and shorts are
    more urban, less multi-colored lycra.

    Swobo, the trendy clothing maker, recently launched its first line of
    three city bikes, and is just one of several companies showing new urban
    rides.

    If anyone gave birth to the urban biker movement, it's probably Sky
    Yaeger, Swobo's managing director.

    Yaeger was responsible for designing a slew of bikes during her time as
    production manager at famed Italian manufacturer Bianchi. Some of her
    designs, like the fixed-gear Pista, have been elevated to cult status.
    Thanks to the bike's simplicity, it became the favored transport of
    urbanites like skaters and surfers.

    "What happened is we crossed over the bike culture into skate, surf," she
    says. "The kids that are doing it now wouldn't have bought a bike five
    years ago. That's a huge delight to me -- because they're on bikes."

    In L.A., the bike revolution is helped by shops like the grassroots
    Bicycle Kitchen. "It makes it easy for anyone to put together a bike
    cheap," says Howe. "And it made it hip, which can't hurt."

    Volunteers at the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective, a nonprofit that
    provides tools and training for riders to maintain their bikes, have
    experienced a huge bump in visitors.

    "It's gotten out of hand," says Michael Wise, the collective's treasurer.
    "We don't have enough volunteers to help the people coming in looking."

    San Francisco's trendy Mission District is a hotbed of bicycle activity. A
    bicycle lane running the length of Valencia Street is a major artery, as
    hipsters in hoodies and precisely rolled, tight-fitting jeans flow along
    the street.

    At Valencia Cyclery, which is often proclaimed the city's best bike store,
    sales associate Babs Brockaway says she's seen the number of customers
    leaving with shiny new fixed-gear ("fixie"😉 and single-speed bikes
    skyrocket. The store stocks five or six choices, up from a single model
    two years ago. The simplicity appeals to neophyte riders overwhelmed by
    too much technology.

    "It's simple: You just pedal," she says. "This is shocking, but there are
    people who buy bikes with gears, who don't shift gears."

    Just across from Valencia Cyclery is Ritual Coffee Roasters, a popular
    coffeehouse often stuffed full of young hipsters glued to their MacBooks.
    It's also a favorite haunt of the urban biker.

    Outside, Matt McDonald, a 24-year-old photographer from Boston, talks
    about his fixie.

    "My friends in Boston were getting into these bikes, and it was just sort
    of appealing to me. It's like there's nothing to worry about, and they're
    just a blast to ride."

    ***

  2. On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:08:39 -0400, Matt O'Toole
    <[email hidden]> quoted, in part:

    Quoted message said:


    If anyone gave birth to the urban biker movement, it's probably Sky
    Yaeger, Swobo's managing director.

    Bulldadda. Urban cycling has been with us for over 130 years

    We can look forward to scooping some nice equipment at garage sales
    after these trend following fixey clones get their knee replacement
    surgeries.

    If anyone is responsible for cyclists regaining their senses it was
    you, me and freds the world over who never knew
    transportation/utility/commuting cycling was ever out of "fashion".

    Our "beaters" are the real progenitors of this new bicycle breed.

    Ms. Yeager just happened to pick up on the meme at a time when cities
    are becoming untenable for occupants of those stinking lesser
    vehicles that we've been brainwashed to accept as normal.
    --
    zk

  3. I'm betting on burlap, knobbies and 3 speeds.

  4. "datakoll" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm betting on burlap, knobbies and 3 speeds.

    Trikes.

  5. "Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Wired has a nice article about how non-sport bikes are hot sellers again:

    http://www.wired.com/cars/coolwheels/news/2007/09/interbike_urbanbikers

    This proves what can happen when fresh, smart people like Ms. Yeager are
    put in charge of marketing, and allowed to try something different than
    the same tired old formulas (More carbon! Even fewer spokes!).

    This summer I spent 2.5 weeks in southern CA, where beach cruisers are
    back with a vengeance. Everyone is riding, and teenagers are again using
    bikes as their preferred mode of transportation. There seem to be 3x as
    many bike shops as 5 years ago, most of them selling beach cruisers and a
    few town/city bikes.

    Text of the article is below, for the Usenet archives, in case Wired
    eventually makes it unavailable.

    Matt O.

    I've been watching the news from Interbike, and there sure are a lot of
    commuter-centric bikes available. Some, I think, are going to do very well.
    I think Raleigh has a hit with it's Detour Deluxe. Fully specced out
    commuter(rack, fenders, dynohub, front and rear lights)--$710. Put that on
    the showroom floor and watch it sell.

    The shocker for me? The $2000 Breezer "commuter" and the Civia Cycles line,
    especially the Civia. If I'm going to spend $1900 on a singlespeed, it had
    better be handmade or made out of some exotic material. But Taiwanese
    aluminum and a carbon fork? No thank you.

    I wondered about the security of locking a $2000+ commuter to a rack, and
    some folks have said that security is becoming less of a concern because so
    many employers provide secure storage. That's great---but what happens when
    you want to stop on the way home? Now you have to lock up the luxo-hybrid in
    front of the grocery store, bodega, bar, whatever. I have a road bike on
    which I commute. It goes from home to work and back. I also have a beater I
    shop with. Will people with luxo-hybrids eventually end up in the same boat?
    "I'll park the Civia and ride the Trek to shop"? LOL.

  6. "datakoll" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm betting on burlap, knobbies and 3 speeds.

    I wish someone would compete with Carradice and bring out traditionally
    styled cotton duck panniers with modern mounting hardware. :-)

  7. Gooserider said:

    I've been watching the news from Interbike, and there sure are a lot of
    commuter-centric bikes available. Some, I think, are going to do very well.
    I think Raleigh has a hit with it's Detour Deluxe. Fully specced out
    commuter(rack, fenders, dynohub, front and rear lights)--$710. Put that on
    the showroom floor and watch it sell.

    But will the dealers put it on the showroom floor? Trek had some good
    commute bicycles but almost no dealers carried them. Specialized had the
    Globe, a very good deal (about the same price as the Raleigh), but only
    a couple of shops in my area carried them, and none close to me (one
    dealer in San Francisco, one in Palo Alto). They always say, "we can
    order it for you, just pay first." This is a recipe for failure. The
    dealers don't believe they will sell and don't want to use floor space
    for inventory that they can't move at a good margin.

    At least the REI Transfer ("http://www.rei.com/product/744802"😉 is a
    bike that you can actually try before you ride.

  8. "SMS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Gooserider said:

    I've been watching the news from Interbike, and there sure are a lot of
    commuter-centric bikes available. Some, I think, are going to do very
    well. I think Raleigh has a hit with it's Detour Deluxe. Fully specced
    out commuter(rack, fenders, dynohub, front and rear lights)--$710. Put
    that on the showroom floor and watch it sell.

    But will the dealers put it on the showroom floor? Trek had some good
    commute bicycles but almost no dealers carried them. Specialized had the
    Globe, a very good deal (about the same price as the Raleigh), but only a
    couple of shops in my area carried them, and none close to me (one dealer
    in San Francisco, one in Palo Alto). They always say, "we can order it for
    you, just pay first." This is a recipe for failure. The dealers don't
    believe they will sell and don't want to use floor space for inventory
    that they can't move at a good margin.

    At least the REI Transfer ("http://www.rei.com/product/744802"😉 is a bike
    that you can actually try before you ride.

    The suggestion from manufacturers is that "things are different now" and
    "the market is ready". Whether shop owners will commit to stocking them
    remains to be seen----but the Raleigh has a much better chance of being
    stocked than the Civia.

    That being said, selling an expensive hybrid commuter is difficult. Selling
    an expensive road bike is relatively easy. "Hey, feel how light it is!", or
    "Hey, check out those lugs. That bike is hand made by a craftsman in
    Wisconsin.". Selling an MTB is easy, too---it's all about the cutting edge
    tech.

    How do you convince someone to spend $3000 on a Civia, a bike which is
    pretty much single purpose? If I buy a Trek Portland, I can commute on it,
    race cross on it, tour on it, or put light wheels on it and go fast. You
    can't do that on a hybrid, realistically.

  9. sew? make a cereal type box with cardboard and packing tape then lay
    fabric over the box, double stick tape the fabric or spot glue then
    sew it up. or go green and tack it with thread and pins.

  10. Gooserider said:

    "SMS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Gooserider wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've been watching the news from Interbike, and there sure are a lot of
    commuter-centric bikes available. Some, I think, are going to do very
    well. I think Raleigh has a hit with it's Detour Deluxe. Fully specced
    out commuter(rack, fenders, dynohub, front and rear lights)--$710. Put
    that on the showroom floor and watch it sell.

    Quoted message said:

    But will the dealers put it on the showroom floor? Trek had some good
    commute bicycles but almost no dealers carried them. Specialized had the
    Globe, a very good deal (about the same price as the Raleigh), but only a
    couple of shops in my area carried them, and none close to me (one dealer
    in San Francisco, one in Palo Alto). They always say, "we can order it for
    you, just pay first." This is a recipe for failure. The dealers don't
    believe they will sell and don't want to use floor space for inventory
    that they can't move at a good margin.

    Quoted message said:

    At least the REI Transfer ("http://www.rei.com/product/744802"😉 is a bike
    that you can actually try before you ride.

    The suggestion from manufacturers is that "things are different now" and
    "the market is ready". Whether shop owners will commit to stocking them
    remains to be seen----but the Raleigh has a much better chance of being
    stocked than the Civia.

    That being said, selling an expensive hybrid commuter is difficult. Selling
    an expensive road bike is relatively easy. "Hey, feel how light it is!", or
    "Hey, check out those lugs. That bike is hand made by a craftsman in
    Wisconsin.". Selling an MTB is easy, too---it's all about the cutting edge
    tech.

    How do you convince someone to spend $3000 on a Civia, a bike which is
    pretty much single purpose? If I buy a Trek Portland, I can commute on it,
    race cross on it, tour on it, or put light wheels on it and go fast. You
    can't do that on a hybrid, realistically.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    piker

  11. Gooserider said:

    "Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Wired has a nice article about how non-sport bikes are hot sellers again:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.wired.com/cars/coolwheels/news/2007/09/interbike_urbanbikers

    Quoted message said:

    This proves what can happen when fresh, smart people like Ms. Yeager are
    put in charge of marketing, and allowed to try something different than
    the same tired old formulas (More carbon! Even fewer spokes!).

    Quoted message said:

    This summer I spent 2.5 weeks in southern CA, where beach cruisers are
    back with a vengeance. Everyone is riding, and teenagers are again using
    bikes as their preferred mode of transportation. There seem to be 3x as
    many bike shops as 5 years ago, most of them selling beach cruisers and a
    few town/city bikes.

    Quoted message said:

    Text of the article is below, for the Usenet archives, in case Wired
    eventually makes it unavailable.

    Quoted message said:

    Matt O.

    I've been watching the news from Interbike, and there sure are a lot of
    commuter-centric bikes available. Some, I think, are going to do very well.
    I think Raleigh has a hit with it's Detour Deluxe. Fully specced out
    commuter(rack, fenders, dynohub, front and rear lights)--$710. Put that on
    the showroom floor and watch it sell.

    Nah, put a hip $500 3 speed with fenders and a rack on the floor and
    it will sell. My LBS has been selling out of the Electra Amsterdams @
    550, and this is freaking Nashville Tennessee. Mind, it is in a pocket
    of weirdos, artists, and queers. The Amsterdam is quite nice, and has
    hit a big niche--but I think that there's a parallel niche for a more
    mildly retro/modern and less severe bike that's more like the standard
    modern utility bikes you see in Sweden, basically hybrid geometry,
    with North Road type bars and a gear hub.

  12. Gooserider said:

    That being said, selling an expensive hybrid commuter is difficult. Selling
    an expensive road bike is relatively easy. "Hey, feel how light it is!", or
    "Hey, check out those lugs. That bike is hand made by a craftsman in
    Wisconsin.". Selling an MTB is easy, too---it's all about the cutting edge
    tech.

    I think Performance had the better plan with the World Avenue. Sell a
    relatively low priced commute bicycle with racks, fenders, and most
    importantly a chain guard. I wish they'd included a hub dynamo too.
    OTOH, all of the factory hub-dynamo equipped bicycles I see around here
    (mainly Joe Breeze and REI Transfer) have additional lights installed
    because they're used in an environment where the included dynamo lights
    don't cut it. If the owners knew about the SolidLight for dynamos, and
    had a way to buy it here for $150 or so, I'd think it'd sell reasonably
    well, since the battery powered systems on these bikes are always of the
    expensive variety.

  13. SIZE: One; step-through available WEIGHT: 30.1 lb. FRAME: Aluminum
    alloy FORK: Single-crown steel COMPONENT HIGHLIGHTS: Shimano Nexus
    internal 3-speed hub, Revo shifter, 19t cassette; 700x38 tires

    the amsterdam weighs 30 pounds!

    giveum a 3 speed calloi with flourescent orange paint and a puke green
    fade

    anyway, are yawl sure these guys wanna sell to poor people?

  14. SMS said:

    But will the dealers put it on the showroom floor? Trek had some good
    commute bicycles but almost no dealers carried them.

    Because Trek did not sell them in the US. Those were their world models.

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).

  15. Gooserider said:

    The shocker for me? The $2000 Breezer "commuter"

    Huh? Breezer's most expensive "town" bike is the Uptown 8. It goes for
    $850.

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).

  16. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That being said, selling an expensive hybrid commuter is difficult.
    Selling an expensive road bike is relatively easy. "Hey, feel how light
    it is!", or "Hey, check out those lugs. That bike is hand made by a
    craftsman in Wisconsin.". Selling an MTB is easy, too---it's all about
    the cutting edge tech.

    I think Performance had the better plan with the World Avenue. Sell a
    relatively low priced commute bicycle with racks, fenders, and most
    importantly a chain guard. I wish they'd included a hub dynamo too. OTOH,
    all of the factory hub-dynamo equipped bicycles I see around here (mainly
    Joe Breeze and REI Transfer) have additional lights installed because
    they're used in an environment where the included dynamo lights don't cut
    it. If the owners knew about the SolidLight for dynamos, and had a way to
    buy it here for $150 or so, I'd think it'd sell reasonably well, since the
    battery powered systems on these bikes are always of the expensive
    variety.

    It's almost impossible to get customers to buy practical bikes. We've
    stocked fully-decked-out commuter bikes, and they sit & rot on the floor.
    We've dressed up stock standard bikes, showing people what's available for
    them, and they just collect dust and sales of fenders & lighting systems
    only go to those who already understand their value, not new converts to the
    cause.

    It's possible that the new widespread awareness of global warming may have
    an effect, along with a general feeling that we ought to do a better job of
    protecting the planet for the next generation. But I'm skeptical. We, as an
    industry, are relatively powerless. We don't control the media, or at least
    the parts that influence the lives of everyday people. The bicycle industry
    is finally beginning to band together for common marketing causes, of which
    utility use bicycles is a big battle cry. The feeling is that, if we can get
    utilitarian use of the bicycle seen as a mainstream activity, it will raise
    sales of *all* types of bicycles, thus avoiding the pitfall of creating a
    beast that becomes a non-profit commodity item.

    Would be nice that we actually had reason to be scared of creating such a
    beast...

    --Mike Jacoubowsky
    Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com
    Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

    "SMS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Gooserider said:

    That being said, selling an expensive hybrid commuter is difficult.
    Selling an expensive road bike is relatively easy. "Hey, feel how light
    it is!", or "Hey, check out those lugs. That bike is hand made by a
    craftsman in Wisconsin.". Selling an MTB is easy, too---it's all about
    the cutting edge tech.

    I think Performance had the better plan with the World Avenue. Sell a
    relatively low priced commute bicycle with racks, fenders, and most
    importantly a chain guard. I wish they'd included a hub dynamo too. OTOH,
    all of the factory hub-dynamo equipped bicycles I see around here (mainly
    Joe Breeze and REI Transfer) have additional lights installed because
    they're used in an environment where the included dynamo lights don't cut
    it. If the owners knew about the SolidLight for dynamos, and had a way to
    buy it here for $150 or so, I'd think it'd sell reasonably well, since the
    battery powered systems on these bikes are always of the expensive
    variety.

  17. Don Wiss said:
    SMS said:

    But will the dealers put it on the showroom floor? Trek had some good
    commute bicycles but almost no dealers carried them.

    Because Trek did not sell them in the US. Those were their world models.

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).

    They sold them at Bike Gallery in Portland. Presumably other dealers
    could have gotten them if they wanted to.

  18. Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    It's almost impossible to get customers to buy practical bikes. We've
    stocked fully-decked-out commuter bikes, and they sit & rot on the floor.
    We've dressed up stock standard bikes, showing people what's available for
    them, and they just collect dust and sales of fenders & lighting systems
    only go to those who already understand their value, not new converts to the
    cause.

    I think it's a matter of pricing. The reason the Schwinn World Avenue
    has done relatively well is because they priced it well. On sale, with
    the Team Performance discount, it goes for around $320, sometimes less.
    They can't keep it in stock. It's going to be very different for a
    $700-1000 commuter bike, even if it includes some dynamo lights.

  19. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Zoot Katz said:

    On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:08:39 -0400, Matt O'Toole
    <[email hidden]> quoted, in part:

    Quoted message said:


    If anyone gave birth to the urban biker movement, it's probably Sky
    Yaeger, Swobo's managing director.

    Bulldadda. Urban cycling has been with us for over 130 years

    We can look forward to scooping some nice equipment at garage sales
    after these trend following fixey clones get their knee replacement
    surgeries.

    If anyone is responsible for cyclists regaining their senses it was
    you, me and freds the world over who never knew
    transportation/utility/commuting cycling was ever out of "fashion".

    It _was_ out of fashion. Dag nabbed fashion is always trying
    to catch up with me. They'll never make it though. I've got
    more where that came from.

    Quoted message said:

    Our "beaters" are the real progenitors of this new bicycle breed.

    [...]

    --
    Michael Press

  20. On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:49:07 -0700, SMS <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Mike Jacoubowsky said:

    It's almost impossible to get customers to buy practical bikes. We've
    stocked fully-decked-out commuter bikes, and they sit & rot on the floor.
    We've dressed up stock standard bikes, showing people what's available for
    them, and they just collect dust and sales of fenders & lighting systems
    only go to those who already understand their value, not new converts to the
    cause.

    I think it's a matter of pricing. The reason the Schwinn World Avenue
    has done relatively well is because they priced it well. On sale, with
    the Team Performance discount, it goes for around $320, sometimes less.
    They can't keep it in stock. It's going to be very different for a
    $700-1000 commuter bike, even if it includes some dynamo lights.

    I think when people start noticing how sexy we are they'll pay
    anything to get on the bandwagon.

    Fixed gear bikes have become popular largely because of the
    messengers iconic image.

    If city bikes help cyclists to dress better more people will be
    encouraged to ride. By coming stock with fenders having coat/skirt
    protectors, chain guards and geometry that permits a more dignified
    riding position people can wear their "normal" clothes.
    http://copenhagengirlsonbikes.blogspot.com/

    Keep it lightweight, give 'em a place for their stuff and lights like
    a real vehicle. At $1000 though, I'm afraid many of the new converts
    will be expecting a motor.
    --
    zk

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