A TdF route a Frenchman could win?

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
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I dunno... looking at the '08 TdF route, looks rather dumbed down. No epic
stages with 4 or 5 climbs, the initial ITT is rather short, no Ventoux...
am I missing something?

Or is this an attempt to eliminate doping by making the stages
not-so-hard? If so, why not just come out and say "OK, we've designed an
easier route with more chances to recover, so you guys don't need to dope
this year." Yeah, I guess that wouldn't sound so good, would it?

In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that, with
more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more action, a lot
more moves to cover.

Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

I doubt you know what you are talking about

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I doubt you know what you are talking about

What sort of credentials are you looking for?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
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I dunno... looking at the '08 TdF route, looks rather dumbed down. No epic
stages with 4 or 5 climbs, the initial ITT is rather short, no Ventoux...
am I missing something?

Or is this an attempt to eliminate doping by making the stages
not-so-hard? If so, why not just come out and say "OK, we've designed an
easier route with more chances to recover, so you guys don't need to dope
this year." Yeah, I guess that wouldn't sound so good, would it?

In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that, with
more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more action, a
lot more moves to cover.

Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

I doubt you know what you are talking about

"Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
won their race 8 years in a row.

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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I doubt you know what you are talking about

What sort of credentials are you looking for?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
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I dunno... looking at the '08 TdF route, looks rather dumbed down. No
epic stages with 4 or 5 climbs, the initial ITT is rather short, no
Ventoux... am I missing something?

Or is this an attempt to eliminate doping by making the stages
not-so-hard? If so, why not just come out and say "OK, we've designed an
easier route with more chances to recover, so you guys don't need to
dope this year." Yeah, I guess that wouldn't sound so good, would it?

In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that,
with more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more
action, a lot more moves to cover.

Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

I doubt you know what you are talking about

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
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I doubt you know what you are talking about

What sort of credentials are you looking for?

Do you think I expect some kind of "credential" after your stupid comment ?
"OK, we've designed an easier route with more chances to recover, so you
guys don't need to dope this year."

???

Dear friend : If you have some kind of Marion Jones credential, if you are
pround in supporting cheaters so ....you are a xenophobic loser.

Have a nice day

<Montesquiou> wrote in message
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
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Quoted message said:

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I doubt you know what you are talking about

What sort of credentials are you looking for?

Do you think I expect some kind of "credential" after your stupid comment
? "OK, we've designed an easier route with more chances to recover, so
you guys don't need to dope this year."

???

Dear friend : If you have some kind of Marion Jones credential, if you are
pround in supporting cheaters so ....you are a xenophobic loser.

Have a nice day

You are apparently much better at *appearing* fluent in English than is
actually the case. I don't think anybody else got the impression that I was
in favor of cheating.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

<Montesquiou> wrote in message
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I doubt you know what you are talking about

What sort of credentials are you looking for?

Do you think I expect some kind of "credential" after your stupid comment
? "OK, we've designed an easier route with more chances to recover, so
you guys don't need to dope this year."

???

Dear friend : If you have some kind of Marion Jones credential, if you are
pround in supporting cheaters so ....you are a xenophobic loser.

Have a nice day

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"Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
won their race 8 years in a row.

He also may not have been amused at the subject line. I was, in fact, hoping
to get some comments from our few resident RBRs that actually live in
France. I probably could have done so in a less-offensive manner.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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"Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
won their race 8 years in a row.

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Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I doubt you know what you are talking about

What sort of credentials are you looking for?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
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>I dunno... looking at the '08 TdF route, looks rather dumbed down. No
>epic stages with 4 or 5 climbs, the initial ITT is rather short, no
>Ventoux... am I missing something?
>
> Or is this an attempt to eliminate doping by making the stages
> not-so-hard? If so, why not just come out and say "OK, we've designed
> an easier route with more chances to recover, so you guys don't need to
> dope this year." Yeah, I guess that wouldn't sound so good, would it?
>
> In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that,
> with more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more
> action, a lot more moves to cover.
>
> Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>

I doubt you know what you are talking about

* "xzzy" <[email hidden]> a écrit profondement:
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| "Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
| won their race 8 years in a row.
|

Stole it don't you mean?

--
"If the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts."
George H.W. Bush

xzzy said:

"Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
won their race 8 years in a row.

Or he's possibly upset that since they've won it, it's been:
multiple Americans*
an Italian*
multiple Spaniards**,***
a German*
a Dane*
an Irishman***

*suspected of doping
**at least one won by default
***just as "dope-free" as the Frenchman that won before him

-B

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that, with
more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more action, a lot
more moves to cover.

Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.

There are 4 mountain top finishes though which should help separate
the mules from the race horses.

Davey Crockett said:

* "xzzy" <[email hidden]> a écrit profondement:
|
| "Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
| won their race 8 years in a row.

Stole it don't you mean?

Percentage grade doesn't have nationality.

And he stole it fair and square.

Ben

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"If the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts."
George H.W. Bush

On Oct 26, 1:16 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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And he stole it fair and square.

Even the guilty can steal a race.

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Quoted message said:

And he stole it fair and square.

rechungREMOVETHIS said:

Even the guilty can steal a race.

Lets resurrect Lafferty so we can discuss this concept in detail.

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On Oct 26, 1:16 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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And he stole it fair and square.

Even the guilty can steal a race.

And be framed, too.

Of course, you don't have to be guilty to be framed.

You might not even have to be really positive twice. --D-y

"xzzy" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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"Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
won their race 8 years in a row.

Wow ! I am lost !
I did my best for you to believe I was american !
How inteligent you are. Amazing.

BTW : If you want to know were some one comes from : first ask him.
(Pourquoi faire simple quand on peut faire compliqué ?)

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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I doubt you know what you are talking about

What sort of credentials are you looking for?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

<Montesquiou> wrote in message
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
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>I dunno... looking at the '08 TdF route, looks rather dumbed down. No
>epic stages with 4 or 5 climbs, the initial ITT is rather short, no
>Ventoux... am I missing something?
>
> Or is this an attempt to eliminate doping by making the stages
> not-so-hard? If so, why not just come out and say "OK, we've designed
> an easier route with more chances to recover, so you guys don't need to
> dope this year." Yeah, I guess that wouldn't sound so good, would it?
>
> In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that,
> with more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more
> action, a lot more moves to cover.
>
> Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>

I doubt you know what you are talking about

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<[email hidden]>,

Donald Munro said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And he stole it fair and square.

rechungREMOVETHIS said:

Even the guilty can steal a race.

Lets resurrect Lafferty so we can discuss this concept in detail.

Unlikely. Volunteers to troll rec.games.chess.politics?

--
Michael Press

<Montesquiou> wrote in message
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"xzzy" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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"Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
won their race 8 years in a row.

Wow ! I am lost !
I did my best for you to believe I was american !
How inteligent you are. Amazing.

BTW : If you want to know were some one comes from : first ask him.
(Pourquoi faire simple quand on peut faire compliqué ?)

Monte, here's a clue for you - when you don't understand what people mean
you should ask them first and not react negatively. Do you suppose that
people are attacking you because you're French or because you're reacting
all wrong to what was said?

Mike is one of the nice people and a humorous jab meant in fun was hardly
the thing that should have set you off.

Since you've posted much better in the past I wonder if something is
bothering you indirectly?

Donald Munro said:

There are 4 mountain top finishes though which should help separate
the mules from the race horses.

The mules would be the ones who didn't take the dope out of the
condoms before swallowing?

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In the end, the riders make the race, not the course.

Don't know where you picked up this weird idea, but if a course isn't
challenging, the top riders won't waste their time. Trust me!

Caroline

Caroline said:

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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In the end, the riders make the race, not the course.

Don't know where you picked up this weird idea, but if a course isn't
challenging, the top riders won't waste their time. Trust me!

What, they'll all go off and do the Tour of Qinghai Lake instead?

In any case, next year's Tour is challenging enough. The time
trialists might feel a bit shortchanged but not by too much.

Jeff