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In article <[email hidden]>,

landotter said:

How many cases of PBR can it haul out of the box?

http://commutebybike.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/img_5342.jpg

Mixtes live! And are even useful!

Quoted message said:

However, having once hauled a case of aquavit bottles similarly
topside, I'd say such transport would require a steely grit!

You can determine the roughness of the pavement you're
riding over by the clinking-together of the bottles.
A couple o' really loud clinks'll getcha to slow right
down 'n take it easy.

cheers,
Tom

--
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I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:46:38 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom

Keats) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

landotter said:

How many cases of PBR can it haul out of the box?

http://commutebybike.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/img_5342.jpg

Mixtes live! And are even useful!

That's Kona's Ute at Interbike 2007.

An Xtracycle with its Freeloader bags could easily take four of those
cases. That would keep the load balanced and low.

There would still be room on the deck for a passenger, more beer and
a case of cheeze-curlz.

I want to try a Ute for comparison to see if it performs better than
the Xtracycle when the top is carrying a dead-weight.
--
zk

Zoot Katz said:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:46:38 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom

Keats) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

landotter said:

How many cases of PBR can it haul out of the box?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://commutebybike.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/img_5342.jpg

Quoted message said:

Mixtes live! And are even useful!

That's Kona's Ute at Interbike 2007.

An Xtracycle with its Freeloader bags could easily take four of those
cases. That would keep the load balanced and low.

You *could* use the two panniers that come with the Ute for two cases,
and there's room for two more.

Quoted message said:

There would still be room on the deck for a passenger, more beer and
a case of cheeze-curlz.

Snyder's mustard pretzels, in a bar bag, of course--what are you, an
animal?

Quoted message said:

I want to try a Ute for comparison to see if it performs better than
the Xtracycle when the top is carrying a dead-weight.

Taking it deer hunting? Cool! That's what I wanna see, a dead buck on
the back of a Ute, with rifle neatly stored by the mixte tubes.

A Ute might be my next ride, not that I really need one, but I figger
it's a cyclist's Escalade. I like the idea of going cruising with one
on Friday night with a sound system in back--playing Robert Goulet
tunes (RIP, my moustached hero!)

landotter said:

Zoot Katz said:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:46:38 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom

Quoted message said:

Keats) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
landotter <[email hidden]> writes:
> How many cases of PBR can it haul out of the box?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>http://commutebybike.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/img_5342.jpg

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mixtes live! And are even useful!

Quoted message said:

That's Kona's Ute at Interbike 2007.

Quoted message said:

An Xtracycle with its Freeloader bags could easily take four of those
cases. That would keep the load balanced and low.

You *could* use the two panniers that come with the Ute for two cases,
and there's room for two more.

Quoted message said:

There would still be room on the deck for a passenger, more beer and
a case of cheeze-curlz.

Snyder's mustard pretzels, in a bar bag, of course--what are you, an
animal?

Quoted message said:

I want to try a Ute for comparison to see if it performs better than
the Xtracycle when the top is carrying a dead-weight.

Taking it deer hunting? Cool! That's what I wanna see, a dead buck on
the back of a Ute, with rifle neatly stored by the mixte tubes.

A Ute might be my next ride, not that I really need one, but I figger
it's a cyclist's Escalade. I like the idea of going cruising with one
on Friday night with a sound system in back--playing Robert Goulet
tunes (RIP, my moustached hero!)

The 'Blue Light', extingushed.

Ozark Bicycle said:

landotter said:

A Ute might be my next ride, not that I really need one, but I figger
it's a cyclist's Escalade. I like the idea of going cruising with one
on Friday night with a sound system in back--playing Robert Goulet
tunes (RIP, my moustached hero!)

The 'Blue Light', extingushed.

He was my own Canadian Lou Rawls!

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:07:04 -0700, landotter <[email hidden]>
wrote, in part:

Quoted message said:

Zoot Katz said:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:46:38 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom

Keats) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
landotter <[email hidden]> writes:
> How many cases of PBR can it haul out of the box?

Quoted message said:

>http://commutebybike.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/img_5342.jpg

Quoted message said:

Mixtes live! And are even useful!

That's Kona's Ute at Interbike 2007.

An Xtracycle with its Freeloader bags could easily take four of those
cases. That would keep the load balanced and low.

You *could* use the two panniers that come with the Ute for two cases,
and there's room for two more.

I've not yet seen the panniers, in person, and Kona's site doesn't
specify their size except to say it holds a grocery-bag. A two-four
looks like it would be a tight fit. You might have to leave the
cardboard behind.

I'm not certain the design qualifies as true mixte as it lacks a
third seat stay. The twin tubes abut the top tube just ahead of the
seat tube. The attachment point for the normal seat stays is instead
used to form the top rails of the rack.

Nevertheless, the Ute is an interesting option in an expanding range
of practical bikes making their way to market.
--
zk

Zoot Katz said:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:07:04 -0700, landotter <[email hidden]>
wrote, in part:

Quoted message said:

Zoot Katz said:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:46:38 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Keats) wrote:
>In article <[email hidden]>,
> landotter <[email hidden]> writes:
>> How many cases of PBR can it haul out of the box?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>http://commutebybike.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/img_5342.jpg

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Mixtes live! And are even useful!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's Kona's Ute at Interbike 2007.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

An Xtracycle with its Freeloader bags could easily take four of those
cases. That would keep the load balanced and low.

Quoted message said:

You *could* use the two panniers that come with the Ute for two cases,
and there's room for two more.

I've not yet seen the panniers, in person, and Kona's site doesn't
specify their size except to say it holds a grocery-bag. A two-four
looks like it would be a tight fit. You might have to leave the
cardboard behind.

I'm not certain the design qualifies as true mixte as it lacks a
third seat stay.

Two skinny sloping top tubes to the rear drops would have looked
classy cool, but it's still not bad looking--especially when you
consider the spec for the MSRP.

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:47:22 -0700, landotter <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not certain the design qualifies as true mixte as it lacks a
third seat stay.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I really meant a third pair of rear stays.

Quoted message said:

Two skinny sloping top tubes to the rear drops would have looked
classy cool, but it's still not bad looking--especially when you
consider the spec for the MSRP.

I too like the Ute but wonder if it will find its niche.

Have you seen this one?
http://www.fietsfabriek.nl/images/modellen/pmduo02.jpg
--
zk

Zoot Katz said:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:47:22 -0700, landotter <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not certain the design qualifies as true mixte as it lacks a
third seat stay.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I really meant a third pair of rear stays.

Quoted message said:

Two skinny sloping top tubes to the rear drops would have looked
classy cool, but it's still not bad looking--especially when you
consider the spec for the MSRP.

I too like the Ute but wonder if it will find its niche.

Have you seen this one?http://www.fietsfabriek.nl/images/modellen/pmduo02.jpg
--
zk

I love the large capacity ashtray for the rear passenger! Love the
color as well--it's a typical northern European primary color,
remember how Volvos used to be that shade in the 70s?

Will the Ute find a niche in the States? Outside a few big cities,
nope. But, as Kona sells a [censored] of bikes in Europe, and the Ute
not being that radical compared to the long tradition of working bikes
overseas, it'll hopefully stay around long enough for me to buy
one. ;-)

landotter said:

Zoot Katz said:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:47:22 -0700, landotter <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I'm not certain the design qualifies as true mixte as it lacks a
> third seat stay.

Quoted message said:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I really meant a third pair of rear stays.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Two skinny sloping top tubes to the rear drops would have looked
classy cool, but it's still not bad looking--especially when you
consider the spec for the MSRP.

Quoted message said:

I too like the Ute but wonder if it will find its niche.

Quoted message said:

Have you seen this one?http://www.fietsfabriek.nl/images/modellen/pmduo02.jpg
--
zk

I love the large capacity ashtray for the rear passenger! Love the
color as well--it's a typical northern European primary color,
remember how Volvos used to be that shade in the 70s?

Will the Ute find a niche in the States? Outside a few big cities,
nope. But, as Kona sells a [censored] of bikes in Europe, and the Ute
not being that radical compared to the long tradition of working bikes
overseas, it'll hopefully stay around long enough for me to buy
one. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

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Perhaps if they price it low enough you can skip the PBR and buy a
decent beer, PBR being only about a half step above Grain Belt.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

landotter said:

Zoot Katz said:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:47:22 -0700, landotter <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I'm not certain the design qualifies as true mixte as it lacks a
> third seat stay.

Quoted message said:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I really meant a third pair of rear stays.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Two skinny sloping top tubes to the rear drops would have looked
classy cool, but it's still not bad looking--especially when you
consider the spec for the MSRP.

Quoted message said:

I too like the Ute but wonder if it will find its niche.

Quoted message said:

Have you seen this one?http://www.fietsfabriek.nl/images/modellen/pmduo02.jpg
--
zk

I love the large capacity ashtray for the rear passenger! Love the
color as well--it's a typical northern European primary color,
remember how Volvos used to be that shade in the 70s?

Will the Ute find a niche in the States? Outside a few big cities,
nope. But, as Kona sells a [censored] of bikes in Europe, and the Ute
not being that radical compared to the long tradition of working bikes
overseas, it'll hopefully stay around long enough for me to buy
one. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Perhaps if they price it low enough you can skip the PBR and buy a
decent beer, PBR being only about a half step above Grain Belt.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

Bob Hunt said:

Perhaps if they price it low enough you can skip the PBR and buy a
decent beer, PBR being only about a half step above Grain Belt.

Pabst is now only a brand name with the beer produced by Miller under
contract, with the old brewery being partly demolished, with the
remainder being converted into shops, office space and housing.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Tradition is the worst rational for action.

Bob Hunt said:

Perhaps if they price it low enough you can skip the PBR and buy a
decent beer, PBR being only about a half step above Grain Belt.

Pabst is now only a brand name with the beer produced by Miller under
contract, with the old brewery being partly demolished, with the
remainder being converted into shops, office space and housing.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Tradition is the worst rational for action.