That' it. No more running for me

Dave Smith said:

I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
jogging and competitive running.

It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and their
knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of heart
attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year old Ryan
Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for the Beijing
Olympics.

I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness, but
I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5 times a
week. Much easier on the joints and knees.

It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top notch
runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.

Myrl Jeffcoat said:

Dave Smith said:

I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
jogging and competitive running.

It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and their
knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of heart
attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year old Ryan
Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for the Beijing
Olympics.

I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness, but
I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5 times a
week. Much easier on the joints and knees.

It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top notch
runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.

The most common in cause in cases such as this is congenital heart
defect, such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, or a cardiac electrical
problem.

Boron.

Myrl Jeffcoat said:

Quoted message said:

It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and their
knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of heart
attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year old Ryan
Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for the Beijing
Olympics.

I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness, but
I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5 times a
week. Much easier on the joints and knees.

It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top notch
runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.

It's a damned shame. Runners obviously work hard to keep in shape. Last
year I was doing a lot of swimming, usually 5 days a week, 1500 m three
times a week and 1000 m in between. I had a couple of problems with
swimming. First of all, it's boring as hell. The other problem was having
to share the lanes in the pool at the local Y with imbeciles who think they
deserve to be in the fast lane. I would rate myself as medium speed, though
I am usually the fastest there. Then there is the time limitations for
lane swimming. So I started walking on the track instead and then working
on the wight machines. As soon as the weather warmed up in the spring I
started bicycling, which was a lot less boring. I was cycling 10-15 miles
per day. It was a much better way to lose weight, and I needed to lose
weight for the sake of the horses I ride, since my primary fitness activity
is equestrian jumping.

"Dave Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
jogging and competitive running.

It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and their
knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of heart
attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year old Ryan
Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for the Beijing
Olympics.

I read someplace that runners who push into that kind of territory are
actually stressing their bodies to the levels seen in concentration camp
victims from WWII. A life in a wheel chair or crutches is hardly testimony
to the "fitness" effects of running. The few runners I have known have all
been intensely obsessed people and often have pretty serious personal issues
that somehow the running is supposed to compensate.

Take up bike riding or swimming. Swimming I have heard is supposed to be a
perfect exercise.

Paul

Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 01:37:54p, Paul M. Cook meant to say...

Quoted message said:

"Dave Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
jogging and competitive running.

It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and
their knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of heart
attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year old Ryan
Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for the Beijing
Olympics.

I read someplace that runners who push into that kind of territory are
actually stressing their bodies to the levels seen in concentration camp
victims from WWII. A life in a wheel chair or crutches is hardly
testimony to the "fitness" effects of running. The few runners I have
known have all been intensely obsessed people and often have pretty
serious personal issues that somehow the running is supposed to
compensate.

Take up bike riding or swimming. Swimming I have heard is supposed to
be a perfect exercise.

Paul

My boss participates in Iron Man competitions as frequently as he can, and
usually places fairly high. He usually takes a couple of vacation days
after the competition, but he still looks like he's been through hell when
he get back to work.

--
Wayne Boatwright

(to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
______________________________________________________________

It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave Smith said:

I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
jogging and competitive running.

It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and their
knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of heart
attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year old Ryan
Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for the Beijing
Olympics.

While sudden cardiac death in young athletes always makes headlines,
it's actually pretty rare. A guy I know wanted to set up a testing
program for this in the Washington state public schools. When I
crunched a few numbers for him, I came up with a very puny number of
potential cases for a huge number of expensive tests (EKG's). I don't
mean to discount saving one child's life, but the numbers weren't there
to justify the research and the expense when schools have trouble
getting enough money for their core mission. (No, football is NOT the
core mission.)

OB Food: I have boneless leg of lamb in the fridge. I need to figure
out what to do with it.

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

In article <[email hidden]>,

Myrl Jeffcoat said:

Dave Smith said:

I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
jogging and competitive running.

It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and their
knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of heart
attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year old Ryan
Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for the Beijing
Olympics.

I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness, but
I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5 times a
week. Much easier on the joints and knees.

It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top notch
runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.

Some very fit young people die of undiagnosed heart problems. Happened
to one young friend-of-a-friend -- 26 years old, very fit. Came home
from playing rugby, had a shower, got a beer out of the fridge, then sat
down to watch another rugby game on TV... and died.

It's very sad.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

In article <C_4Xi.1187$b%1.47@trnddc01>,

Paul M. Cook said:

"Dave Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
jogging and competitive running.

It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and their
knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of heart
attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year old Ryan
Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for the Beijing
Olympics.

I read someplace that runners who push into that kind of territory are
actually stressing their bodies to the levels seen in concentration camp
victims from WWII. A life in a wheel chair or crutches is hardly testimony
to the "fitness" effects of running. The few runners I have known have all
been intensely obsessed people and often have pretty serious personal issues
that somehow the running is supposed to compensate.

Take up bike riding or swimming. Swimming I have heard is supposed to be a
perfect exercise.

Swimming's pretty good, but you also need something weight-bearing to
keep bone mass. Walking is good.

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

Quoted message said:

OB Food: I have boneless leg of lamb in the fridge. I need to figure
out what to do with it.

I would cook it.

OK, ok ....

I would butterfly it, pound it flat then add a layer of prosciutto, pine
nuts, fresh sage, garlic, olive oil, parmesan slivers. Roll it up, tie it,
brown it in a pan then into the oven at 350 for 20 minutes per pound.

Paul

jmcquown said...

Quoted message said:

Boron Elgar said:

Myrl Jeffcoat said:

On Nov 3, 11:56 am, Dave Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
> playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
> jogging and competitive running.
>
> It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and
> their knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of
> heart attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year
> old Ryan Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for
> the Beijing Olympics.

I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness, but
I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5 times a
week. Much easier on the joints and knees.

It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top notch
runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.

The most common in cause in cases such as this is congenital heart
defect, such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, or a cardiac electrical
problem.

Boron.

I agree, this is sad. But shouldn't people who plan to compete in

Olympic

Quoted message said:

(or heck, any professional) events be thoroughly examined by a physician
first?

Jill

jmcquown said:

Boron Elgar said:

Myrl Jeffcoat said:

On Nov 3, 11:56 am, Dave Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
> playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
> jogging and competitive running.
>
> It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and
> their knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of
> heart attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year
> old Ryan Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for
> the Beijing Olympics.

I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness, but
I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5 times a
week. Much easier on the joints and knees.

It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top notch
runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.

The most common in cause in cases such as this is congenital heart
defect, such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, or a cardiac electrical
problem.

Boron.

I agree, this is sad. But shouldn't people who plan to compete in Olympic
(or heck, any professional) events be thoroughly examined by a physician
first?

Jill

Have had any number of 'thorough' exams when I was doing competitive
swimming. But *none* of them included an ECG. If someone's insurance
won't pay, it doesn't happen.

Boron Elgar said:

Myrl Jeffcoat said:

Dave Smith said:

I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
jogging and competitive running.

It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and
their knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of
heart attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year
old Ryan Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for
the Beijing Olympics.

I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness, but
I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5 times a
week. Much easier on the joints and knees.

It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top notch
runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.

The most common in cause in cases such as this is congenital heart
defect, such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, or a cardiac electrical
problem.

Boron.

I agree, this is sad. But shouldn't people who plan to compete in Olympic
(or heck, any professional) events be thoroughly examined by a physician
first?

Jill

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:23:28 -0600, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Boron Elgar said:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:03:33 -0000, Myrl Jeffcoat
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top notch
runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.

The most common in cause in cases such as this is congenital heart
defect, such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, or a cardiac electrical
problem.

Boron.

I agree, this is sad. But shouldn't people who plan to compete in Olympic
(or heck, any professional) events be thoroughly examined by a physician
first?

Jill

That sort of thing is rarely looked for in a young and healthy
athlete. Some problems can be detected ahead of time, some not, with
the usual testing.

The incidence is quite low, so the testing isn't cost effective. That
isn't to sound cold, just practical.

Boron

Myrl Jeffcoat said:

Dave Smith said:

I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
jogging and competitive running.

Quoted message said:

It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and their
knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of heart
attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year oldRyan
Shaydied 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for the Beijing
Olympics.

I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness, but
I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5 times a
week. Much easier on the joints and knees.

It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top notch
runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.

Yeah, this guy has been running marathons and various other distance
races for years. You'd think if he had a heart defect, it would've
surfaced at some point in the past. Of course, I did know a guy who
was born with Marfan's Syndrome and did quite a bit of drinking and
used drugs during his teen years.(Yes, he was aware of his heart
condition then) He died of a massive heart attack at the age of 23
while simply sitting and eating dinner with his girlfriend.

But I'm wondering if Shay maybe was taking supplements of some kind
for an energy boost and to give him an edge...not steroids, since I
doubt that helps in a marathon, but maybe something with ginseng or
ephedra or something along those lines. He could've overdosed or
tried something new and was allergic. Whatever it was, as a 36 year
old who just started seriously running about 6 months ago, it kinda
makes me think...what if I have an underlying heart condition and my
life suddenly ends during one of my 3 or 4 mile runs.

Of course, I had a friend who got killed by a drunk driver a few years
ago while she was just sitting in her car off the side of the road
while somebody went to get gas. And my cousin's life ended instantly
back in February when her four-wheeler flipped over on top of
her...which is sort of the reason why I'm still running. I guess we
just have to live our life and whatever's gonna happen is gonna
happen. Yeah, really deep, I know. lol Well for me it is. Anyway
that's enough of my rambling. I didn't mean to turn it into a therapy
session for myself...R.I.P. Emily, Lisa, & Ryan Shay.

"Arri London" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

jmcquown said:

Boron Elgar said:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:03:33 -0000, Myrl Jeffcoat
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> On Nov 3, 11:56 am, Dave Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
>> playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
>> jogging and competitive running.
>>
>> It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and
>> their knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of
>> heart attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year
>> old Ryan Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for
>> the Beijing Olympics.
>
>
> I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness, but
> I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5 times a
> week. Much easier on the joints and knees.
>
> It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top notch
> runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.
>
>
>
The most common in cause in cases such as this is congenital heart
defect, such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, or a cardiac electrical
problem.

Boron.

I agree, this is sad. But shouldn't people who plan to compete in
Olympic
(or heck, any professional) events be thoroughly examined by a physician
first?

Jill

Have had any number of 'thorough' exams when I was doing competitive
swimming. But *none* of them included an ECG. If someone's insurance
won't pay, it doesn't happen.

with some types of heart conduction (electrical) problems, you won't see any
changes on an ECG unless the problem is actually happening at that time

so if he's asymptomatic at the time of testing, then he's "normal and
healthy"

"Arri London" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

jmcquown said:

Boron Elgar said:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:03:33 -0000, Myrl Jeffcoat
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> On Nov 3, 11:56 am, Dave Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
>> playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
>> jogging and competitive running.
>>
>> It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and
>> their knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of
>> heart attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year
>> old Ryan Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for
>> the Beijing Olympics.
>
>
> I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness, but
> I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5 times a
> week. Much easier on the joints and knees.
>
> It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top notch
> runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.
>
>
>
The most common in cause in cases such as this is congenital heart
defect, such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, or a cardiac electrical
problem.

Boron.

I agree, this is sad. But shouldn't people who plan to compete in
Olympic
(or heck, any professional) events be thoroughly examined by a physician
first?

Jill

Have had any number of 'thorough' exams when I was doing competitive
swimming. But *none* of them included an ECG. If someone's insurance
won't pay, it doesn't happen.

with some types of heart conduction (electrical) problems, you won't see any
changes on an ECG unless the problem is actually happening at that time

so if he's asymptomatic at the time of testing, then he's "normal and
healthy"

Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 06:50:21a, MG meant to say...

Quoted message said:

"Arri London" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

jmcquown said:

Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:03:33 -0000, Myrl Jeffcoat
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 3, 11:56 am, Dave Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes
>>> while playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never
>>> understood jogging and competitive running.
>>>
>>> It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and
>>> their knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of
>>> heart attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year
>>> old Ryan Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race
>>> for the Beijing Olympics.
>>
>>
>> I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness,
>> but I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5
>> times a week. Much easier on the joints and knees.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top
>> notch runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.
>>
>>
>>
> The most common in cause in cases such as this is congenital heart
> defect, such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, or a cardiac electrical
> problem.
>
> Boron.

I agree, this is sad. But shouldn't people who plan to compete in
Olympic
(or heck, any professional) events be thoroughly examined by a
physician first?

Jill

Have had any number of 'thorough' exams when I was doing competitive
swimming. But *none* of them included an ECG. If someone's insurance
won't pay, it doesn't happen.

with some types of heart conduction (electrical) problems, you won't see
any changes on an ECG unless the problem is actually happening at that
time

so if he's asymptomatic at the time of testing, then he's "normal and
healthy"

ECGs or EKGs are of relative limited use unless there's a cardiac event
occurring at that very moment.

--
Wayne Boatwright

(to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
______________________________________________________________

It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 06:50:21a, MG meant to say...

Quoted message said:

"Arri London" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

jmcquown said:

Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:03:33 -0000, Myrl Jeffcoat
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 3, 11:56 am, Dave Smith <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes
>>> while playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never
>>> understood jogging and competitive running.
>>>
>>> It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and
>>> their knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of
>>> heart attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year
>>> old Ryan Shay died 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race
>>> for the Beijing Olympics.
>>
>>
>> I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness,
>> but I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5
>> times a week. Much easier on the joints and knees.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top
>> notch runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.
>>
>>
>>
> The most common in cause in cases such as this is congenital heart
> defect, such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, or a cardiac electrical
> problem.
>
> Boron.

I agree, this is sad. But shouldn't people who plan to compete in
Olympic
(or heck, any professional) events be thoroughly examined by a
physician first?

Jill

Have had any number of 'thorough' exams when I was doing competitive
swimming. But *none* of them included an ECG. If someone's insurance
won't pay, it doesn't happen.

with some types of heart conduction (electrical) problems, you won't see
any changes on an ECG unless the problem is actually happening at that
time

so if he's asymptomatic at the time of testing, then he's "normal and
healthy"

ECGs or EKGs are of relative limited use unless there's a cardiac event
occurring at that very moment.

--
Wayne Boatwright

(to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
______________________________________________________________

It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:29:01 -0700, SkinnyBilly <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Myrl Jeffcoat said:

Dave Smith said:

I never liked running. It wasn't too bad to make short dashes while
playing kids games, or baseball and football, but I never understood
jogging and competitive running.

Quoted message said:

It was bad enough to hear about people screwing up their shins and their
knees from running, or those older joggers who drop dead of heart
attacks while out running for fitness. This morning 28 year oldRyan
Shaydied 5 1/2 miles into a 26.2 mile qualifying race for the Beijing
Olympics.

I just saw that on the news. . .Unbelievable! I'm into fitness, but
I'm not a runner. Instead I swim a couple of miles, 4 - 5 times a
week. Much easier on the joints and knees.

It will be interesting to see what caused this 28 year old top notch
runner to die, 5 1/2 miles into the race.

Remember Jim Fix(x?)? In the 70's. He was a real and early guru of
running and claimed he wanted to run to keep fit because his father
died so early. Then Jim, IIRC, died fairly early and cynics said
"See, running kills you." Jim would have disagreed. He lived longer
than his father and certainly, healthier and happier.

Just as Wayne has described, unless you are having an "event" during
testing, you can appear normal. Figure 10% or less of the general
population runs regularly. The vast majority feel healthier, are
healthier, feel empowered and love it. IMHO running does the most for
your head.

The extremely rare stories of runners dying claim headlines now days,
as opposed to what running can do for you. Gads, I can't calculate
the percentage of runners who die, but it is miniscule and I doubt any
would want you to be discouraged about taking up running.

OT My DIL is right now, running her first Marathon in Springfield, MO
and I wish her so much luck but told her, to finish is to win.

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