Volae Reports Anyone?

Seth Jayson said:

... Post that Brevet schedule. I'd like to get out and ride some longer distances, although that
may be a ways off. I got creamed this weekend by Gary Toy out in Barrington....

Gary rides a proper lowracer, not one of those nosebleed bikes. 😉

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

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Boy Seth,

You must be on the payroll dude! I beg to differ with you but a strong rider will make that bike
"wiggle". I guess you don't know what that would be about though. And, I do believe you live in
Chi-town? We will have to go for a ride sometime? The Wisconsin Brevet schedual should be out
soon I will post it. Hope to see you and your Volae there. Sharon is real close to you. Looking
forward to seeing you next season.

No pay, Kev, but I do get to ride a loaned Team for free. We bought the one my wife rides. (I've
purchased Bacchettas too... I got enough love for everyone...)

As for wiggling, anything will do that if you crank on it hard enough, I suppose. My point is that
there are a lot of people speculating who have never ridden the Volae. It is not a noodle.

I'm pretty sure it wiggles less than an Aero, (others have said the same thing) but on the other
hand, the Team does weigh a couple pounds more since it's not Ti.

Post that Brevet schedule. I'd like to get out and ride some longer distances, although that may
be a ways off. I got creamed this weekend by Gary Toy out in Barrington. I'm outta shape big time.

See you at the Chitown party.

Hi Seth,

I still have to disagree with you on this open forum. The best "high racer design is the Bacchetta
bikes". I had the first prototype Aerocycle which is pretty much the same as the Volae and it was a
very wippy machine. The Aero is much stiffer at the boom and of course with the thicker tubing it
will be stiffer for climbing. The Volae is a older design sold at a reasonable price. But if you
want performance get an Aero. Ti is great and fatter tubes make for a more effecient frame. Sure you
are not on the Payroll Seth? My post is to bennifit those who are still shopping. I could care less
what bike anyone buys. The Aero is the best high racer design. period. Bacchetta has the fastest
riders on there team. Did not see one fast rider on a Volae. I did ride one and it is like my old
Aerocycle. It did "wiggle" and a lot. The Aero is stiffer at the boom. Like I said I could care less
what bike anyone buys but if you want performance the Ti Aero is the way to go. You get what you pay
for. BTW, Richard Schwinn will build anything for a price. He wants a job shop to keep his factory
going. I was there this summer. He was flabergasted by the Aero's design. He can't build a bike like
it with his current setup. Just the facts. I don't care what anyone of you thinks. The truth is the
truth. someone has to say it.

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Seth Jayson said:

... Post that Brevet schedule. I'd like to get out and ride some longer distances, although that
may be a ways off. I got creamed this weekend by Gary Toy out in Barrington....

Gary rides a proper lowracer, not one of those nosebleed bikes. 😉

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Hi Tom,

I am faster than Gary on my Aero. I am faster than you on my MTB. The only Chi-town guy I did not
beat up on was Alan Arial on his Razz Fazz with tail fairing. Just the facts jack. BTW, I hope not
to read your Obit from riding a bike that is at tailpipe height of your average SUV. Hey, America is
about choices dude.... You make yours I will make mine. I suggest that you shut up when it comes to
the speed department. You don't have any on that sunset.

My Volae Team is an exceptionally well designed and beautifully built recumbent AND Hostel
Shoppe's support (and return policy) is unbeatable. The Volae is a pleasure to ride, handles
extremely well and is very FAST. I am 5'10", weigh 175 pounds and have not experienced ANY boom or
frameset "wiggle".

The Volae Team weighs only two pounds more than an Aero and has equal or better quality components.
My Volae Team costs about $1,000 less than an Aero. In addition, the 6% sales tax on the
no-mail-order Aero adds another $250. The Volae Team goes as fast as I can make it go, which is
faster ... for me ... than any of the other six high quality recumbents I have owned. I'm not a
racer but at age 75 keeping up with the non-racing upright members of the Gainesville Cycling Club
is plenty good enough for me.

Finally, Rolf Garthus and his entire team are absolutely first class people and a total pleasure to
do business with. They rank right up there with the two other class acts in the business: John
Schlitter and the Bacchetta folks and Gardner Martin and the Easy Racers group. All three provide
superb customer support but Rolf has gone the extra mile for me in fine tuning and even
volunteering to change some parts and specs on my new Volae Team without my even asking. Very
unusual in this day and age.

Bob Siegel in Gainesville FL

"nogoslow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Hi Seth,

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I still have to disagree with you on this open forum. The best "high racer design is the Bacchetta
bikes". I had the first prototype Aerocycle which is pretty much the same as the Volae and it was
a very wippy machine. The Aero is much stiffer at the boom and of course with the thicker tubing
it will be stiffer for climbing. The Volae is a older design sold at a reasonable price. But if
you want performance get an Aero. Ti is great and fatter tubes make for a more effecient frame.
Sure you are not on the Payroll Seth? My post is to bennifit those who are still shopping. I could
care less what bike anyone buys. The Aero is the best high racer design. period. Bacchetta has the
fastest riders on there team. Did not see one fast rider on a Volae. I did ride one and it is like
my old Aerocycle. It did "wiggle" and a lot. The Aero is stiffer at the boom. Like I said I could
care less what bike anyone buys but if you want performance the Ti Aero is the way to go. You get
what you pay for. BTW, Richard Schwinn will build anything for a price. He wants a job shop to
keep his factory going. I was there this summer. He was flabergasted by the Aero's design. He
can't build a bike like it with his current setup. Just the facts. I don't care what anyone of you
thinks. The truth is the truth. someone has to say it.

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Gary rides a proper lowracer, not one of those nosebleed bikes. 😉

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Hi Tom,

I am faster than Gary on my Aero.

I will take your word on this.

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I am faster than you on my MTB.

I have never ridden your MTB, so I do not see how you can say this. 😉

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The only Chi-town guy I did not beat up on was Alan Arial on his Razz Fazz with tail fairing. Just
the facts jack. BTW, I hope not to read your Obit from riding a bike that is at tailpipe height of
your average SUV.

Well, it would make Mr. Edward Dolan happy.

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Hey, America is about choices dude.... You make yours I will make mine.

I have no problem with anyone riding a highracer (or an upright for that matter.

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I suggest that you shut up when it comes to the speed department. You don't have any on
that sunset.

I suggest that you learn the meaning of the following emoticon [😉]. The "nosebleed" comment was a
joke - if you did not find it funny, you are certainly free to voice an objection, but understand
that it is a joke. For what it is worth, I might purchase a highracer someday, and it might even be
a Bacchetta Aero.

As for my speed on the Sunset, I was faster on my Rocket two years ago than I am on the Sunset now.
Does that mean that the Rocket is a faster bike than the Sunset? Of course not.

Final point. From the publicly available evidence (postings to Internet forums) it would appear that
you have bad relations with certain people in the Chicagoland area that we are both acquainted with.
From the tone of your response it would appear that you are assuming that I am taking their side in
the grudge match. Nothing could be further from the truth
- the only time your name has come up in a conversation that I was part of was with someone who is
NOT part of the Chicagoland group, and he was merely mentioning that he had ridden with you. The
only real comment I have on the differences between you and the others that I am acquainted with
is that it would behoove everyone to be civil. I am not pointing fingers here, since I have not
followed certain forums closely (e.g. BROL's message board), and I do not care who was uncivil
first, since be treated uncivilly is not an excuse to return the behavior.

I have no problem with you, Bacchetta, or the Bacchetta Aero. If I were in a better state of health
and conditioning I would be happy to ride with you, unless you did not want my company, in which
case I would politely let you go on your way while I went on mine.

Tom Sherman - Downstate Illinois

Well said, Tom. All of it. You are mellowing. I would enjoy riding with you.

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nogoslow said:

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Gary rides a proper lowracer, not one of those nosebleed bikes. 😉

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

Hi Tom,

I am faster than Gary on my Aero.

I will take your word on this.

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I am faster than you on my MTB.

I have never ridden your MTB, so I do not see how you can say this. 😉

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The only Chi-town guy I did not beat up on was Alan Arial on his Razz Fazz with tail fairing.
Just the facts jack. BTW, I hope not to read your Obit from riding a bike that is at tailpipe
height of your average SUV.

Well, it would make Mr. Edward Dolan happy.

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Hey, America is about choices dude.... You make yours I will make mine.

I have no problem with anyone riding a highracer (or an upright for that matter.

Quoted message said:

I suggest that you shut up when it comes to the speed department. You don't have any on that
sunset.

I suggest that you learn the meaning of the following emoticon [😉]. The "nosebleed" comment was a
joke - if you did not find it funny, you are certainly free to voice an objection, but understand
that it is a joke. For what it is worth, I might purchase a highracer someday, and it might even
be a Bacchetta Aero.

As for my speed on the Sunset, I was faster on my Rocket two years ago than I am on the Sunset
now. Does that mean that the Rocket is a faster bike than the Sunset? Of course not.

Final point. From the publicly available evidence (postings to Internet forums) it would appear
that you have bad relations with certain people in the Chicagoland area that we are both
acquainted with. From the tone of your response it would appear that you are assuming that I am
taking their side in the grudge match. Nothing could be further from the truth
- the only time your name has come up in a conversation that I was part of was with someone who is
NOT part of the Chicagoland group, and he was merely mentioning that he had ridden with you. The
only real comment I have on the differences between you and the others that I am acquainted with
is that it would behoove everyone to be civil. I am not pointing fingers here, since I have not
followed certain forums closely (e.g. BROL's message board), and I do not care who was uncivil
first, since be treated uncivilly is not an excuse to return the behavior.

I have no problem with you, Bacchetta, or the Bacchetta Aero. If I were in a better state of
health and conditioning I would be happy to ride with you, unless you did not want my company, in
which case I would politely let you go on your way while I went on mine.

Tom Sherman - Downstate Illinois

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I have no problem with you, Bacchetta, or the Bacchetta Aero. If I were in a better state of
health and conditioning I would be happy to ride with you, unless you did not want my company, in
which case I would politely let you go on your way while I went on mine.

Tom Sherman - Downstate Illinois

Tom,

I have no problem with you either. I just don't understand why you post where you don't seem to have
any real interest like this thread? Free country I guess. BTW, I agree with you on most issues and
disagree with Mr. Dolan (or whoever he is) most of the time. I have more miles than anyone I know of
on the high racer design so I think that gives me some right to air my opinion. My post was geared
to those who are shopping and reading this forum. Simple as that. My next bike will be a lowracer.
Take care...

Kevin

Robert Siegel said:

Well said, Tom. All of it. You are mellowing. I would enjoy riding with you.

You are welcome.

Tom Sherman

that all said, i'd still buy a Volae :-)

nogoslow said:

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I have no problem with you, Bacchetta, or the Bacchetta Aero. If I were in a better state of
health and conditioning I would be happy to ride with you, unless you did not want my company, in
which case I would politely let you go on your way while I went on mine.

Tom Sherman - Downstate Illinois

Tom,

I have no problem with you either. I just don't understand why you post where you don't seem to
have any real interest like this thread? Free country I guess. BTW, I agree with you on most
issues and disagree with Mr. Dolan (or whoever he is) most of the time. I have more miles than
anyone I know of on the high racer design so I think that gives me some right to air my opinion.
My post was geared to those who are shopping and reading this forum. Simple as that. My next bike
will be a lowracer. Take care...

Kevin

As I said at some length in a previous post, I bought a Volae Team and I'd do it again.

However, I would TRY an Aero ... IF ... the Aero was close to the Volae's price ... AND ...
Bacchetta offered Hostel Shoppe's return option (a 5% restocking fee, plus round trip shipping for
$180 and no sales tax).

As always, though, YMMV.

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that all said, i'd still buy a Volae :-)

nogoslow said:

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I have no problem with you, Bacchetta, or the Bacchetta Aero. If I were in a better state of
health and conditioning I would be happy to ride with you, unless you did not want my company,
in which case I would politely let you go on your way while I went on mine.

Tom Sherman - Downstate Illinois

Tom,

I have no problem with you either. I just don't understand why you post where you don't seem to
have any real interest like this thread? Free country I guess. BTW, I agree with you on most
issues and disagree with Mr. Dolan (or whoever he is) most of the time. I have more miles than
anyone I know of on the high racer design so I think that gives me some right to air my opinion.
My post was geared to those who are shopping and reading this forum. Simple as that. My next
bike will be a lowracer. Take care...

Kevin

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As I said at some length in a previous post, I bought a Volae Team and I'd do it again.

However, I would TRY an Aero ... IF ... the Aero was close to the Volae's price ... AND ...
Bacchetta offered Hostel Shoppe's return option (a 5% restocking fee, plus round trip shipping for
$180 and no sales tax).

As always, though, YMMV.

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Bob Siegel in Gainesville FL

Sorry Bob but in the real world you don't get a Ti bike for the price of a steel bike. You will have
to pay a bit more for the gray metal. I know that the dealers around where I live will let you test
ride an Aero. My friends shop has 6000 dollar plus DF bikes and people buy them. Its all what you
are willing to pay for Bob. As I told Tom my post's are for people that are shopping so that they
can make an informed choice on a bike. You are a satisfied Volae customer and thats fine by me.

Take care...

Kevin

I own a Ti Rush and I agree that the difference between it and the aluminum GRR is significant and
well worth the $$$$ to me.

However ... I test rode the Aero and Corsa twice and it is very possible I missed something ... but
... I did NOT "feel" a major difference in ride between the Aero and Corsa. Weight yes, ride no.
That's one of several reasons I am more than pleased with the 24 pound Volae.

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As I said at some length in a previous post, I bought a Volae Team and

I'd

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do it again.

However, I would TRY an Aero ... IF ... the Aero was close to the

Volae's

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price ... AND ... Bacchetta offered Hostel Shoppe's return option (a 5% restocking fee, plus
round trip shipping for $180 and no sales tax).

As always, though, YMMV.

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Bob Siegel in Gainesville FL

Sorry Bob but in the real world you don't get a Ti bike for the price of a steel bike. You will
have to pay a bit more for the gray metal. I know that the dealers around where I live will let
you test ride an Aero. My friends shop has 6000 dollar plus DF bikes and people buy them. Its all
what you are willing to pay for Bob. As I told Tom my post's are for people that are shopping so
that they can make an informed choice on a bike. You are a satisfied Volae customer and thats
fine by me.

Take care...

Kevin

the Aero aside, I just like the overal looks and design of the Volae better, and the Finish is much
nicer IMO>

Robert Siegel said:

As I said at some length in a previous post, I bought a Volae Team and I'd do it again.

However, I would TRY an Aero ... IF ... the Aero was close to the Volae's price ... AND ...
Bacchetta offered Hostel Shoppe's return option (a 5% restocking fee, plus round trip shipping for
$180 and no sales tax).

As always, though, YMMV.

Bob,

Thanks for the Volae impressions.

As a lurker considering a highracer purchase without anything in the way of a 'bent shop within
hours of driving, it's good to collect some data.

But that's really an aside for the main issue--you're 75 and actively cycling? That blows me away! I
hope I can same the same in 30 years.

Bob, you rock! Keep on spinning!

I thank 1) my Mom's genes (she died at 92 after smoking two packs a day for 60-plus years) and 2)
continuously from age 30, running, working out, swimming and biking. So far so good. BUT ... in the
end (no pun intended) dumb luck may be the biggest factor.

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Bob,

Thanks for the Volae impressions.

As a lurker considering a highracer purchase without anything in the way of a 'bent shop within
hours of driving, it's good to collect some data.

But that's really an aside for the main issue--you're 75 and actively cycling? That blows me away!
I hope I can same the same in 30 years.

Bob, you rock! Keep on spinning!

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Bob,

Thanks for the Volae impressions.

As a lurker considering a highracer purchase without anything in the way of a 'bent shop within
hours of driving, it's good to collect some data.

But that's really an aside for the main issue--you're 75 and actively cycling? That blows me away!
I hope I can same the same in 30 years.

Bob, you rock! Keep on spinning!

Check out the Bacchetta list. [email hidden] You are welcome to lurk
there! Why get a clone when you can get the real deal? Please post your questions there. The
bacchetta is the best bike in the High racer class. That is if performance matters to you. The Volae
is an old and dated design that was discarded by RC Pinto and gang over two years ago. I don't see
to many Hostel Shopp people that are as crazzy about bents as the Bacchetta guys are. To them it is
a product to sell over the net. Not Passion for the product. I can relate more to Fast Freddy and
his new venture than to Rolf and his. At least Freddy rides the bikes and has passion for the HPV
sport. This is a free and open forum and I will tell it like it is. BTW, Bob is a cool guy but I
just disagree with him on this issue. No big deal.

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BTW, Bob is a cool guy but I just disagree with him on this issue. No

big deal.

We're both cool on this, nogoslow. I enjoy and learn a lot from this exchange of views. Will I EVER
try an Aero ... why not, especially if I come across a slightly used Aero at the right price, so I
can resell it if it isn't "right" for me . I'd be nuts to say never, since over the last four years
I bought and re-sold six (6) recumbents, in this order: BikeE AT, BikeE FX, P-38 XT, Challenge
Taifun quasi-low-racer, aluminum GRR and (not yet and maybe never to be sold) Ti Rush.

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At least Freddy rides the bikes and has passion for the HPV sport. This

is a free and open forum and I will tell it like it is.

Well ... now you' can learn something: Rolf Garthus, owner of Hostel Shoppe and Volae, has a passion
for recumbents, trust me! He rides recumbents a LOT during the Wisconsin riding season. I just
bought Rolf's personal 2003 Volae Team, ridden for a half season for about 1000 miles.

Keep on riding!

Bob Siegel in Gainesville FL

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Please post your questions there. The bacchetta is the best bike in the High racer class. That is
if performance matters to you. The Volae is an old and dated design that was discarded by RC
Pinto and gang over two years ago. I don't see to many Hostel Shopp people that are as crazzy
about bents as the Bacchetta guys are. To them it is a product to sell over the net. Not Passion
for the product. I can relate more to Fast Freddy and his new venture than to Rolf and his. At
least Freddy rides the bikes and has passion for the HPV sport. This is a free and open forum and
I will tell it like it is. BTW, Bob is a cool guy but I just disagree with him on this issue. No
big deal.

Try This for the bacchetta list www.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bacchetta_Bikes/ This is the home page
for Denny Vooheries group. Denny is the owner of the list and the moderator. It says that there are
287 members but he posted recently and said that there are now over 400 members on the list which
would make it one of the biggest lists for bents out there. I would encourage any shoppers to stop
there and take a peak at the past messages. Lots of good info on dual 26 bikes.

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Well ... now you' can learn something: Rolf Garthus, owner of Hostel Shoppe and Volae, has a
passion for recumbents, trust me! He rides recumbents a LOT during the Wisconsin riding season. I
just bought Rolf's personal 2003 Volae Team, ridden for a half season for about 1000 miles.

Keep on riding!

Bob Siegel in Gainesville FL

Hi Bob,

Rich Pinto and John Schlitter are not just bike builders but two of the fastest riders in the bent
world today. I have a different meaning for the word "passion" than you do. This is not just "riding
a lot" but riding a lot very fast and the bike is designed for that purpose. Most bents are a joke
for serious riders. Bacchetta expected copys and clones and I am sure that this will continue. Can't
stop that. It speaks to Bacchetta's great design! That simplicity makes it easier for others to
build similar bikes. But I am sure they will remain leaders in the industry. After all competition
is good for the consumer. Check out Denny's Bacchetta list.

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Well ... now you' can learn something: Rolf Garthus, owner of Hostel Shoppe and Volae, has a
passion for recumbents, trust me! He rides recumbents a LOT during the Wisconsin riding season.
I just bought Rolf's personal 2003 Volae Team, ridden for a half season

for

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about 1000 miles.

Keep on riding!

Bob Siegel in Gainesville FL

Hi Bob,

Rich Pinto and John Schlitter are not just bike builders but two of the fastest riders in the bent
world today. I have a different meaning for the word "passion" than you do. This is not just
"riding a lot" but riding a lot very fast and the bike is designed for that purpose.

Most bents are a joke for serious riders.

Most bicycles in general are a joke for serious (using your term) riders

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Bacchetta expected copys and clones and I am sure that this will continue.

If anything Bacchetta copied other designs, while I'm sure it is an excellent bike it doesn't appear
to be different in design than other bikes of that type build before it

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Can't stop that. It speaks to Bacchetta's great design!

And everyone else who uses that same basic design in the past

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That simplicity makes it easier for others to build similar bikes. But I am sure they will remain
leaders in the industry. After all competition is good for the consumer. Check out Denny's
Bacchetta list.