Venison is Disgusting

Michael Kuettner said:

ChattyCathy schrieb :

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Michael Kuettner wrote:

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Yes, marinade ("Beize" in German) is important.
Dependant on the type of venison, there's cold marinade, boiled marinade
and buttermilk marinade.
What do you use ?

Depends on my mood... but often red wine is involved 😉

Err, I didn't mean what you use for marinating the cook ;-)

LOL! No that would be white wine...

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Yes, red wine is in most marinades (apart from the buttermilk one,
of course).

Of course.

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Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible

Ted Campanelli said:

Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not
so great) words of knowledge:

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Venison is disgusting.

�>snip

If venison is so "disgusting" why do high class, gourmet restaurants
sell and serve it ?

Venison as well as Bison meat are among the MOST healthy red meats you
can eat. �If you do not prepare it and cook it properly, then it will
not be flavorful and tender.

The venison, elk, bison, etc, served at restaurants is *farmed*...
tastes nothing like wild game... it's illegal to serve wild game at US
restaurants, and under current law no commercial hunting is permitted.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE3D9163BF930A15751C1A

When folks brag about how the venison and bison they ate at a
restaurant wasn't at all gamey, well duh, it was fed like prime beef.

There are lots of game farms in the US, plenty right near where I live
raise elk and deer, many advertise they're organic.

http://www.deerfarmer.com

Sheldon

Sheldon said:

Ted Campanelli said:

Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not
so great) words of knowledge:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Venison is disgusting.

Quoted message said:

�>snip

Quoted message said:

If venison is so "disgusting" why do high class, gourmet restaurants
sell and serve it ?

Quoted message said:

Venison as well as Bison meat are among the MOST healthy red meats you
can eat. �If you do not prepare it and cook it properly, then itwill
not be flavorful and tender.

The venison, elk, bison, etc, served at restaurants is *farmed*...
tastes nothing like wild game... it's illegal to serve wild game at US
restaurants, and under current law no commercial hunting is permitted.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE3D9163BF930A15751C1A

Correction:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE3D9163BF930A15751C1A964958260

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When folks brag about how the venison and bison they ate at a
restaurant wasn't at all gamey, well duh, it was fed like prime beef.

There are lots of game farms in the US, plenty right near where I live
raise elk and deer, many advertise they're organic.

http://www.deerfarmer.com

Sheldon

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Michael Kuettner said:

ChattyCathy schrieb :

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Sarah Gray said:

Miche wrote :

> More for me, yum yum.
>

My sentiments exactly!

I'll third that. However, it does need to be marinated (IMHO) or it can be
rather tough.

Yes, marinade ("Beize" in German) is important.
Dependant on the type of venison, there's cold marinade, boiled marinade
and buttermilk marinade.
What do you use ?

Interesting. I don't think I've ever had marinated venison.

And yes, that includes wild-caught (hunted).

Miche

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Electricians do it in three phases

Miche said:

Interesting. I don't think I've ever had marinated venison.

And yes, that includes wild-caught (hunted).

Well, there are many types of venison. Most people think of "deer-type"
meat, but that's not strictly true...

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=venison

I have had warthog chops cooked on the grill - which were (IMHO), much,
much, better than pork chops any day - but you have to marinate them for
several hours (preferably overnight) or they're as tough as the
proverbial 'old boots'. And as for what to marinate it in - use a splosh
of Coca Cola (tm) instead of red wine - seriously. Makes it very tender.
I kid you not.
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Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible

Ted Campanelli said:

Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not
so great) words of knowledge:

Quoted message said:

Venison is disgusting.

Quoted message said:

snip

If venison is so "disgusting" why do high class, gourmet restaurants
sell and serve it ?

Venison as well as Bison meat are among the MOST healthy red meats you
can eat. If you do not prepare it and cook it properly, then it will
not be flavorful and tender.

As for the "so called hunters" that just shoot a deer to mount on the
wall, I have no respect for them and neither do real hunters. A real
hunter (or fisherman) cleans and eat what they shoot (or catch ).
Unfortunately, there is no "catch and release" with hunting.

I agree with all you say about hunters. Especially the bison hunters
of Montana. Hunting a bison is about as much sport as killing a cow in
the pasture. Trophy hunting is sick. But you can hunt and release with
a CAMERA and enjoy the "trophy" forever in living color.

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ChattyCathy said:

Miche said:

Interesting. I don't think I've ever had marinated venison.

And yes, that includes wild-caught (hunted).

Well, there are many types of venison. Most people think of "deer-type"
meat, but that's not strictly true...

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=venison

I have had warthog chops cooked on the grill - which were (IMHO), much,
much, better than pork chops any day - but you have to marinate them for
several hours (preferably overnight) or they're as tough as the
proverbial 'old boots'. And as for what to marinate it in - use a splosh
of Coca Cola (tm) instead of red wine - seriously. Makes it very tender.
I kid you not.

Well, there you go! I would never have thought of warthog as venison, I
must say.

Miche

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Well, there you go! I would never have thought of warthog as venison, I
must say.

The original meaning of venison, was any kind of hunted game.

Janet

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Janet Baraclough said:

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from Miche <[email hidden]> contains these words:

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Well, there you go! I would never have thought of warthog as venison, I
must say.

The original meaning of venison, was any kind of hunted game.

As the link Cathy posted said, yeah.

Miche

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Virginia Tadrzynski said:

"Boron Elgar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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We call 'em rats on hooves over where I live.

Boron

The only thing that quasi-worked on keeping the deer out of the garden was
when Boy#2 took to piddling in the garden. He had overheard some older
gents talking in Home Depot about 'marking territory' and that deer
respected it. It [censored] the neighbor who has three girls (all older
than his 5 years at the time) and she demanded I make him stop, to told her
to tell her girls not to look if it bothered them. The deer population
seemed to avoid the garden whenever he 'went' so I guess it worked,
somewhat.
-ginny

That might work for the deer, but my neighbors will be scandalized!

Too bad the twins are 19. When there were 4-5, I discovered them and
several other little neighborhood boys in the backyard having a
contest. Come to think of it, we had no deer in that yard....

Boron

Sheldon said:

Ted Campanelli said:

Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not
so great) words of knowledge:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Venison is disgusting.

Quoted message said:

�>snip

Quoted message said:

If venison is so "disgusting" why do high class, gourmet restaurants
sell and serve it ?

Quoted message said:

Venison as well as Bison meat are among the MOST healthy red meats you
can eat. �If you do not prepare it and cook it properly, then itwill
not be flavorful and tender.

The venison, elk, bison, etc, served at restaurants is *farmed*...
tastes nothing like wild game... it's illegal to serve wild game at US
restaurants, and under current law no commercial hunting is permitted.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE3D9163BF930A15751C1A

When folks brag about how the venison and bison they ate at a
restaurant wasn't at all gamey, well duh, it was fed like prime beef.

However if the deer live in the right area they can be 'corn-fed" even
if wild. This does give a different taste to the meat. Domestic must
be even more different.
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

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There are lots of game farms in the US, plenty right near where I live
raise elk and deer, many advertise they're organic.

http://www.deerfarmer.com

Sheldon

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Out of frustration and aggravation, I've made a game of all of this.
Everytime I hear a shot, I yell out "I HOPE YOU SHOT YOUR MOTHER" "I
HOPE YOU SHOT YOUR FATHER" "I HOPE YOU SHOT YOUR BROTHER" "I HOPE YOU
SHOT YOUR UNCLE" "I HOPE YOU SHOT YOUR WIFE" and the list of people I
wish they would shoot goes on. Everytime it's different...... In

You need to do something about that anger, dude....see someone; get
some management therapy; take some drugs. You're yelling yourself
into an early grave.

N.

Ophelia said:

Ted Campanelli said:

Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes
not so great) words of knowledge:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Venison is disgusting.
snip

Quoted message said:

If venison is so "disgusting" why do high class, gourmet restaurants
sell and serve it ?

Quoted message said:

Venison as well as Bison meat are among the MOST healthy red meats you
can eat. If you do not prepare it and cook it properly, then it will
not be flavorful and tender.

Quoted message said:

As for the "so called hunters" that just shoot a deer to mount on the
wall, I have no respect for them and neither do real hunters. A real
hunter (or fisherman) cleans and eat what they shoot (or catch ).
Unfortunately, there is no "catch and release" with hunting.

Agreed! Apart from the vermin, anything we shoot, we eat!

Deer sausage....yummy!

N.

Boron Elgar said:

Virginia Tadrzynski said:

"Boron Elgar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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We call 'em rats on hooves over where I live.

Boron

The only thing that quasi-worked on keeping the deer out of the garden was
when Boy#2 took to piddling in the garden. He had overheard some older
gents talking in Home Depot about 'marking territory' and that deer
respected it. It [censored] the neighbor who has three girls (all older
than his 5 years at the time) and she demanded I make him stop, to told her
to tell her girls not to look if it bothered them. The deer population
seemed to avoid the garden whenever he 'went' so I guess it worked,
somewhat.
-ginny

That might work for the deer, but my neighbors will be scandalized!

Too bad the twins are 19. When there were 4-5, I discovered them and
several other little neighborhood boys in the backyard having a
contest. Come to think of it, we had no deer in that yard....

In the winter little boys can write their names in the snow. The next
day another group of little boys finds the names and they become pen
pals.

Lou

Virginia Tadrzynski said:

"Boron Elgar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:16:22 GMT, "James Silverton"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Venison is disgusting. How can anyone eat that stuff. I can
> not
> stand it. And why is is called venison anyhow? I'd rather
> see the
> deer run in my fields, and even eat my corn than see them
> killed,

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Try using a dictionary for the etymology of venison. You've
obviously never had it cooked properly and it is a very low-fat
meat.

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As far as I am concerned, deer, while pretty animals that are
far too abundant and which can eat damn near anything vegetable.
If I knew a plant that reliably poisoned herbivores I would grow
it for the benefit of the deer.

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We call 'em rats on hooves over where I live.

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Boron

The only thing that quasi-worked on keeping the deer out of the garden was
when Boy#2 took to piddling in the garden. He had overheard some older
gents talking in Home Depot about 'marking territory' and that deer
respected it. It [censored] the neighbor who has three girls (all older
than his 5 years at the time) and she demanded I make him stop, to told her
to tell her girls not to look if it bothered them. The deer population
seemed to avoid the garden whenever he 'went' so I guess it worked,
somewhat.

I don't understand exactly what kind of psychic damage people think
that seeing human genitalia is going to do to people. If some guy was
flashing his penis at her daughters in a provocative way, sure, but
just seeing another person urinating is a non-event. As far as simple
nudity goes, just ask nearly anyone who has ever been to a nude
beach. Even if a person's motives were originally lascivious, or at
least prurient, within a certain amount of time they become
habituated, just like guys from countries where women wear freakin'
bourkas get used to seeing women unveiled in jeans and t-shirts.
There is nothing characteristic enough about the genitals of either
sex or about the portions of female breasts covered by bikini tops
that makes one person's more an object of lust--appropriate or
inappropriate--than another's
If I've ever been uncomfortable about nakedness, it was certainly
never *others'* nudity, but my own, and for reasons that most folks
can relate too that have to do with appearance (am I too fat? how does
my skin look? stuff like that), rather than I'm worried that I'm being
looked on as an object of lust. Social mores about sexuality don't
cease to exist when the clothes get skimpier, and the Free Body
Culture (Germany) movement was anything but highly sexualized, and the
same goes for modern nudists worldwide these days.

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The deer population
seemed to avoid the garden whenever he 'went' so I guess it worked,
somewhat.

It doesn't work for squirrels. I didn't pee in the back yard, but did
pee into a container and pour it around the tomato plants. It didn't
help.

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-ginny

--Bryan

ChattyCathy said:

I have had warthog chops cooked on the grill - which were (IMHO), much,
much, better than pork chops any day - but you have to marinate them for
several hours (preferably overnight) or they're as tough as the
proverbial 'old boots'. And as for what to marinate it in - use a splosh
of Coca Cola (tm) instead of red wine - seriously. Makes it very tender.
I kid you not.

I often include Coca - Cola in marinades, BBQ sauces and the like...I
baste ham with a mixture that includes Coca - Cola or Dr. Pepper.
Just *don't* use Diet (Light) Coke, though...

;-)

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Best
Greg

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"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote> Agreed! Apart from the vermin, anything we shoot, we eat!

Oh, Ohphelia, you do *not* shoot things!

OH, cyberPUSSY, are you *krushed*...???

[cue up: _Cry Me A River_ ]

And PLEASE don't tell us that you think fishermen are "murderers" like
that nutty "L" [censored] pal of yers did that used to post here...

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Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to
claim that we are some kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

Gregory Morrow said:

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Quoted message said:

"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote> Agreed! Apart from the vermin,
anything we shoot, we eat!

Oh, Ohphelia, you do *not* shoot things!

OH, cyberPUSSY, are you *krushed*...???

[cue up: _Cry Me A River_ ]

And PLEASE don't tell us that you think fishermen are "murderers" like
that nutty "L" [censored] pal of yers did that used to post here...

Hey cat! I think Greggy baby has a crush on you🙂) Or some kind of
obsession🙂)

Gregory Morrow said:

ChattyCathy said:

I have had warthog chops cooked on the grill - which were (IMHO), much,
much, better than pork chops any day - but you have to marinate them for
several hours (preferably overnight) or they're as tough as the
proverbial 'old boots'. And as for what to marinate it in - use a splosh
of Coca Cola (tm) instead of red wine - seriously. Makes it very tender.
I kid you not.

I often include Coca - Cola in marinades, BBQ sauces and the like...I
baste ham with a mixture that includes Coca - Cola or Dr. Pepper.
Just *don't* use Diet (Light) Coke, though...

Not on your nelly! Blech - I don't drink the stuff so I certainly won't
use it in a marinade. Learned the tip from a butcher friend - he used to
rent out these big "spits" (rotisserie?) for doing a whole lamb. We got
the 'spit' and a lamb from him for my DS's 21st birthday party and he
volunteered to cook the lamb too 🙂 He brought his own 'basting sauce'
and I asked him what he put in it... You could have knocked me over with
a feather when he told me about adding the cola - but it does work. That
lamb was delish!

BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA).
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Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:27:40 -0600, Lou Decruss <[email hidden]>

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Boron Elgar said:

Virginia Tadrzynski said:

"Boron Elgar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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>
> We call 'em rats on hooves over where I live.
>
> Boron

The only thing that quasi-worked on keeping the deer out of the garden was
when Boy#2 took to piddling in the garden. He had overheard some older
gents talking in Home Depot about 'marking territory' and that deer
respected it. It [censored] the neighbor who has three girls (all older
than his 5 years at the time) and she demanded I make him stop, to told her
to tell her girls not to look if it bothered them. The deer population
seemed to avoid the garden whenever he 'went' so I guess it worked,
somewhat.
-ginny

That might work for the deer, but my neighbors will be scandalized!

Too bad the twins are 19. When there were 4-5, I discovered them and
several other little neighborhood boys in the backyard having a
contest. Come to think of it, we had no deer in that yard....

In the winter little boys can write their names in the snow. The next
day another group of little boys finds the names and they become pen
pals.

Lou

beautiful, lou.

your pal,
blake