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  1. Arri London said:
    Bobo said:
    ChattyCathy said:

    blake murphy wrote:
    > what with the discussion of the butter bells or balls or bongos or
    > whatever they are, i thought this product from kitchenart might be of
    > some interest:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > <http://www.amazon.com/KitchenArt-Buttermate-Measure-Dispense/dp/B0002...>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > your precise pal,
    > blake

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'll pass. Butter is like garlic - you can never have too much - IMHO,
    of course.

    Quoted message said:

    I agree, except in baking. There, you need to be relatively precise.

    Not true, of course. People have been baking perfectly good breads,
    cakes, pies/tartes and pastries for centuries without ever measuring
    anything precisely. Quite often I've made baked goods with the remains
    of a packet of butter. It *might* have been the amount needed but was
    probably a little less. Structure and taste of the final products are
    always as expected. For many things the amount of sugar is reduced from
    what is stated in the recipe and the amount of salt is reduced or
    eliminated entirely. Stuff wtill works and still tastes excellent. No
    precision there.

    Given that I currently live in a very dry climate (often need more
    liquid than stated) at high altitude (may need to adjust oven temp,
    cooking time and occasionally add a bit more flour), following most
    baked goods recipes in a 'relatively precise' manner is guaranteed to
    fail often. It's easy enough to learn what textures a baking mix should
    have and get there without measuring anything precisely.

    Precisely. Of all cookery baking requires the *least* precision.
    People like to think precise measuing is important for baking because
    those are the people who don't understand the concepts involved, and
    therefore are frightened, really *ascared*. The methods employed and
    of course ingredient quality/freshness are far more important aspects
    for sucessful baking. And in all cookery experience trumps measuring
    every time... anyone who needs to cook with precise measurements is
    not an accomplished cook... if after one's first month in the kitchen
    they are still using measuring spoons they will never know how to
    cook, not ever... following a recipe is not cooking, that's like paint
    by numbers is art. Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read the
    weights printed on the packaging. It's actually stupid to accurately
    measure ingredients for baking especially, because many ingredients
    used for baking are simply not consistant. Accurate measuing doesn't
    gaurantee success because unless one possesses the experience/ability
    to make adjustments for inconsistances they are guaranteed to fail.
    When people harp on precise measuring for baking you can bet your
    bipee they are the ones who only bake box cakes, make pizza from
    frozen dough, and have a freezer filled with Pillsbury dough boy
    tubes... yes, with premixed baked products you sorta hafta gotta
    follow the directions fairly accurately... but even with box cake no
    one can tell if you added two eggs instead of three... I got yer
    accuracy, even the dumbest dago mixing c-ment doesn't measure... yo,
    carmine, make a more juicy.

    At a real bakery you'll never see two loaves of bread, two cakes, two
    pies, etc. exactly precisely alike... when you do then you're in the
    prepackaged baked goods aisle of the stupidmarket... Wonder bread is
    measured.

    Sheldon

  2. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read the
    weights printed on the packaging.>
    Sheldon

    You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs volume.
    And, if a pro baker is making six cakes, a quantity not so unusual for a
    small bakery, seeing "Net Weight 50 lbs" on a bag of flour isn't much help.

  3. JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    Quoted message said:

    �Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read the
    weights printed on the packaging.>
    Sheldon

    You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs volume.

    Show me.

    Quoted message said:

    And, if a pro baker is making six cakes, a quantity not so unusual for a
    small bakery, seeing "Net Weight 50 lbs" on a bag of flour isn't much help..

    Bakers are more intelligent than you... for six cakes they would know
    to grab the ten pound sack of flour, and then use their bench knife to
    slash it in half... you aren't a baker is all. Of course in a real
    bakery they'd never make just six cakes unless they were full
    commercial sized sheet cakes... they wouldn't dirty the equipment let
    alone waste the oven for just six little cakes.

    The flour purchased by bakeries comes as 60 pound bags, with six 10
    pound sacks contained in each.... very few bakeries purchase bulk in
    50 or 100 pound sacks, too messy. The thing people fail to realize is
    it's the commercial user that dictates the packaging, not the
    supplier.

  4. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    Quoted message said:

    ?Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read the
    weights printed on the packaging.>
    Sheldon

    You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs
    volume.

    Quoted message said:

    Show me.

    Not worth the trouble, thorazine boy.

  5. JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ?Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read the
    weights printed on the packaging.>
    Sheldon

    Quoted message said:

    You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs
    volume.
    Show me.

    Not worth the trouble, thorazine boy.

    You're obviously liar... and what you know about cooking would fit on
    the head of pin with plenty of room to spare... actually you know
    ZERO, you're just a bluff.

  6. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ?Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read the
    weights printed on the packaging.>
    Sheldon

    Quoted message said:

    You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs
    volume.
    Show me.

    Not worth the trouble, thorazine boy.

    You're obviously liar... and what you know about cooking would fit on
    the head of pin with plenty of room to spare... actually you know
    ZERO, you're just a bluff.

    ===================

    Think hard, Sheldon. You were explaining why it's preferable to measure
    flour by weight instead of volume, and you said this is how pro bakers
    measure.

    Your need to be right causes you to pretend you didn't say certain things in
    the past, because it's convenient for you to pretend at the moment. Next
    week, you'll contradict whatever you said in THIS thread.

  7. JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > ?Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    > hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read the
    > weights printed on the packaging.>
    > Sheldon
    You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs
    volume.
    Show me.


    Not worth the trouble, thorazine boy.

    You're obviously liar... and what you know about cooking would fit on
    the head of pin with plenty of room to spare... actually you know
    ZERO, you're just a bluff.

    ===================

    Think hard, Sheldon. You were explaining why it's preferable to measure
    flour by weight instead of volume, and you said this is how pro bakers
    measure.

    Your need to be right causes you to pretend you didn't say certain things in
    the past, because it's convenient for you to pretend at the moment. Next
    week, you'll contradict whatever you said in THIS thread.


    FFS - the "holiday season" approaches. Can't we all just stop this
    arguing and 'name calling' BS for a week or three?
    --
    Cheers
    Chatty Cathy

    Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible

  8. "ChattyCathy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    On Dec 4, 11:15?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> ?Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    >> hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read the
    >> weights printed on the packaging.>
    >> Sheldon
    > You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs
    > volume.
    > Show me.
    Not worth the trouble, thorazine boy.

    You're obviously liar... and what you know about cooking would fit on
    the head of pin with plenty of room to spare... actually you know
    ZERO, you're just a bluff.

    ===================

    Think hard, Sheldon. You were explaining why it's preferable to measure
    flour by weight instead of volume, and you said this is how pro bakers
    measure.

    Your need to be right causes you to pretend you didn't say certain things
    in the past, because it's convenient for you to pretend at the moment.
    Next week, you'll contradict whatever you said in THIS thread.


    FFS - the "holiday season" approaches. Can't we all just stop this arguing
    and 'name calling' BS for a week or three?
    --
    Cheers
    Chatty Cathy

    What holiday?

  9. JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "ChattyCathy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    On Dec 4, 11:37?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > On Dec 4, 11:15?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >>> ?Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    >>> hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read the
    >>> weights printed on the packaging.>
    >>> Sheldon
    >> You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs
    >> volume.
    >> Show me.
    > Not worth the trouble, thorazine boy.
    You're obviously liar... and what you know about cooking would fit on
    the head of pin with plenty of room to spare... actually you know
    ZERO, you're just a bluff.

    ===================

    Think hard, Sheldon. You were explaining why it's preferable to measure
    flour by weight instead of volume, and you said this is how pro bakers
    measure.

    Your need to be right causes you to pretend you didn't say certain things
    in the past, because it's convenient for you to pretend at the moment.
    Next week, you'll contradict whatever you said in THIS thread.


    FFS - the "holiday season" approaches. Can't we all just stop this arguing
    and 'name calling' BS for a week or three?
    --
    Cheers
    Chatty Cathy

    What holiday?


    "The" holiday...

    --
    Cheers
    Chatty Cathy

    Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible

  10. "ChattyCathy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "ChattyCathy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
    > "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > On Dec 4, 11:37?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >> On Dec 4, 11:15?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email hidden]...
    >>>> ?Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    >>>> hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read
    >>>> the
    >>>> weights printed on the packaging.>
    >>>> Sheldon
    >>> You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs
    >>> volume.
    >>> Show me.
    >> Not worth the trouble, thorazine boy.
    > You're obviously liar... and what you know about cooking would fit on
    > the head of pin with plenty of room to spare... actually you know
    > ZERO, you're just a bluff.
    >
    > ===================
    >
    >
    >
    > Think hard, Sheldon. You were explaining why it's preferable to measure
    > flour by weight instead of volume, and you said this is how pro bakers
    > measure.
    >
    > Your need to be right causes you to pretend you didn't say certain
    > things in the past, because it's convenient for you to pretend at the
    > moment. Next week, you'll contradict whatever you said in THIS thread.
    FFS - the "holiday season" approaches. Can't we all just stop this
    arguing and 'name calling' BS for a week or three?
    --
    Cheers
    Chatty Cathy

    What holiday?


    "The" holiday...

    I'm a Druid. "The holiday" is when the ground thaws.

  11. ChattyCathy said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...
    On Dec 4, 11:15?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> ?Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    >> hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read the
    >> weights printed on the packaging.>
    >> Sheldon
    > You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs
    > volume.
    > Show me.
    Not worth the trouble, thorazine boy.

    You're obviously liar... and what you know about cooking would fit on
    the head of pin with plenty of room to spare... actually you know
    ZERO, you're just a bluff.

    ===================

    Think hard, Sheldon. You were explaining why it's preferable to measure
    flour by weight instead of volume, and you said this is how pro bakers
    measure.

    Your need to be right causes you to pretend you didn't say certain things in
    the past, because it's convenient for you to pretend at the moment. Next
    week, you'll contradict whatever you said in THIS thread.


    FFS - the "holiday season" approaches. Can't we all just stop this
    arguing and 'name calling' BS for a week or three?

    isn't it time for sheldon to take off to his winter hovel in costa
    rica anyway?

    your pal,
    blake

  12. ChattyCathy said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    FFS - the "holiday season" approaches. Can't we all just stop this arguing
    and 'name calling' BS for a week or three?
    --
    Cheers
    Chatty Cathy

    What holiday?


    "The" holiday...

    you know - the end of mary's confinement.

    your pal,
    joseph

  13. JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "ChattyCathy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "ChattyCathy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
    >> "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >> On Dec 4, 11:37?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>> "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>
    >>> news:[email hidden]...
    >>> On Dec 4, 11:15?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>> ?Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    >>>>> hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read
    >>>>> the
    >>>>> weights printed on the packaging.>
    >>>>> Sheldon
    >>>> You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs
    >>>> volume.
    >>>> Show me.
    >>> Not worth the trouble, thorazine boy.
    >> You're obviously liar... and what you know about cooking would fit on
    >> the head of pin with plenty of room to spare... actually you know
    >> ZERO, you're just a bluff.
    >>
    >> ===================
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Think hard, Sheldon. You were explaining why it's preferable to measure
    >> flour by weight instead of volume, and you said this is how pro bakers
    >> measure.
    >>
    >> Your need to be right causes you to pretend you didn't say certain
    >> things in the past, because it's convenient for you to pretend at the
    >> moment. Next week, you'll contradict whatever you said in THIS thread.
    > FFS - the "holiday season" approaches. Can't we all just stop this
    > arguing and 'name calling' BS for a week or three?
    > --
    > Cheers
    > Chatty Cathy

    What holiday?


    "The" holiday...

    I'm a Druid. "The holiday" is when the ground thaws.

    nonsense. i'm sure the druids find a reason to get drunk around this
    time of year also.

    your pal,
    blake

  14. On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:57:43 -0600, zxcvbob <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Sqwertz said:
    blake murphy said:

    what with the discussion of the butter bells or balls or bongos or
    whatever they are, i thought this product from kitchenart might be of
    some interest:

    <http://www.amazon.com/KitchenArt-Buttermate-Measure-Dispense/dp/B00020O3YC/ref=cm_cr-mr-title>

    It really saddens me to think that there's actually a market
    enough for Amazon to carry something like this.

    And that 3 people found it useful and gave it 5-Stars.

    This is why the World is going to [censored].

    -sw

    There's also a "Pro" model, with a black and chrome finish, that costs
    over twice as much. :P

    Bob

    if you're going to measure butter pats, you might as well be
    professional about it. nothing worse than a rank amateur butter-pat
    slicer.

    your pal,
    blake

  15. On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:51:13 -0600, Sqwertz <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    zxcvbob said:
    Sqwertz said:

    It really saddens me to think that there's actually a market
    enough for Amazon to carry something like this.

    And that 3 people found it useful and gave it 5-Stars.

    This is why the World is going to [censored].

    There's also a "Pro" model, with a black and chrome finish, that costs
    over twice as much. :P

    Gimme a razor blade... One that cuts vertical, not horizontally.

    -sw

    you silly boy, that's for wrists. how will that help with butter?

    your pal,
    blake

  16. email hidden said:
    blake murphy said:

    what with the discussion of the butter bells or balls or bongos or
    whatever they are, i thought this product from kitchenart might be of
    some interest:

    <http://www.amazon.com/KitchenArt-Buttermate-Measure-Dispense/dp/B0002...>

    your precise pal,
    blake

    I never knew it was that difficult to slice off a pat of butter. I
    now know what I'm giving everyone for Christmas this year.

    my first thought was to get one for jill, but i couldn't remember if
    butter was something she didn't like, didn't use, or had never heard
    of, or something they didn't eat in thailand.

    your pal,
    blake

  17. "blake murphy" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm a Druid. "The holiday" is when the ground thaws.

    nonsense. i'm sure the druids find a reason to get drunk around this
    time of year also.


    There's ample evidence that the time of year at which the birth of Christ
    is officially celebrated was roughly overlaid on Pagan/Druid celebration
    dates
    (winter solstice) to better soften up the natives for conversion. This was
    when the
    missionaries were still soft. They started the Death to the Heathen stuff
    later.

  18. Sheldon said:
    Quoted message said:

    Given that I currently live in a very dry climate (often need more
    liquid than stated) at high altitude (may need to adjust oven temp,
    cooking time and occasionally add a bit more flour), following most
    baked goods recipes in a 'relatively precise' manner is guaranteed to
    fail often. It's easy enough to learn what textures a baking mix should
    have and get there without measuring anything precisely.

    Precisely. Of all cookery baking requires the *least* precision.
    People like to think precise measuing is important for baking because
    those are the people who don't understand the concepts involved, and
    therefore are frightened, really *ascared*.

    Spoken like someone who is not a baker. I admit to cooking most things by
    the seat of my pants and regard recipes as guidelines only, but baking is a
    different matter. While cakes are very versatile and can turn out nicely,
    though sometimes different, with huge variations in ingredients, cookies,
    biscuits and pastry tend to be much better when you follow the recommended
    amounts of ingredients as specified in the recipes.

  19. JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    news:[email hidden]...
    On Dec 4, 11:15?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    news:[email hidden]....

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > ?Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    > hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read the
    > weights printed on the packaging.>
    > Sheldon

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs
    volume.
    Show me.

    Quoted message said:

    Not worth the trouble, thorazine boy.

    You're obviously liar... and what you know about cooking would fit on
    the head of pin with plenty of room to spare... actually you know
    ZERO, you're just a bluff.

    ===================

    Think hard, Sheldon. You were explaining why it's preferable to measure
    flour by weight instead of volume, and you said this is how pro bakers
    measure.

    You didn't read the entire post, obviously didn't comprehend it all...
    and taking something out of context makes you a liar.

    By weight is preferable to volume, but that doesn't mean bakers use a
    scale, just as I said here, they use weight by reading the weight
    printed on the package. Why would they bother to weigh out pounds
    when the pounds are printed on the package. duh Recipes for
    commercial bakeries are developed around the standard package sizes,
    there is no need to measure... ingredients are handled as little as
    possible, wasted motion is lost profits.

    Professional bakers don't need any stink'n scale, they got all the
    scale they need with their eyes and hands. A professional baker can
    scoop a five pound pile of flour by hand the same as a profesional
    butcher can trim out a five pound roast... after many thousands of
    times both can come within an ounce.... the gal at the deli I go to
    can slice different cold cuts to within one slice of a pound every
    time.. but she's only been at it some 40 years.

    You see, JSB, the difference is you can't actually do anything (I know
    that from your posts), you can only talk trash... that's why you don't
    know anything.

    Sheldon

  20. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    news:[email hidden]...
    On Dec 4, 11:15?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > ?Professional bakers do all measuring by eye,
    > hand, and interpolation... no scales either, because they can read
    > the
    > weights printed on the packaging.>
    > Sheldon

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You said the exact opposite about flour, in a thread about weight vs
    volume.
    Show me.

    Quoted message said:

    Not worth the trouble, thorazine boy.

    You're obviously liar... and what you know about cooking would fit on
    the head of pin with plenty of room to spare... actually you know
    ZERO, you're just a bluff.

    ===================

    Think hard, Sheldon. You were explaining why it's preferable to measure
    flour by weight instead of volume, and you said this is how pro bakers
    measure.

    You didn't read the entire post, obviously didn't comprehend it all...
    and taking something out of context makes you a liar.

    By weight is preferable to volume, but that doesn't mean bakers use a
    scale, just as I said here, they use weight by reading the weight
    printed on the package. Why would they bother to weigh out pounds
    when the pounds are printed on the package. duh Recipes for
    commercial bakeries are developed around the standard package sizes,
    there is no need to measure... ingredients are handled as little as
    possible, wasted motion is lost profits.

    Professional bakers don't need any stink'n scale, they got all the
    scale they need with their eyes and hands. A professional baker can
    scoop a five pound pile of flour by hand the same as a profesional
    butcher can trim out a five pound roast... after many thousands of
    times both can come within an ounce.... the gal at the deli I go to
    can slice different cold cuts to within one slice of a pound every
    time.. but she's only been at it some 40 years.

    You see, JSB, the difference is you can't actually do anything (I know
    that from your posts), you can only talk trash... that's why you don't
    know anything.

    Sheldon

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Next time I talk to my neighbor the bakery owner, I'll see what she says
    about all this, thorazine boy.

    Maybe you and she worked in different kinds of bakeries. What kind did YOU
    work in?

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