Re: Biological Passport - Another Act of Fraud by the Sport

Quoted message said:

MagillaGorilla said:

The reason why this whole biological passport thing is fraudulent is
because under UCI rules only a positive doping test along with a
confirmation of the B test can be used to find an athlete guilty of
doping.

dumbass,

the same goes for a DNA test.

a DNA test is not part of the WADA protocol and it can't be used to
detect doping so i don't know why bettini was so paranoid about it.

it is also not against the WADA protocol to store bags of your blood
in a freezer in madrid.

Any WADA lab is free to run a DNA test on any rider's blood. They don't
need anyone's permission. They only reason they don't run DNA is
because there's no use for it (exept to compare to blood bags) and you
can't get DNA from [censored] (WADA doesn't collect blood).

Magilla

MagillaGorilla said:

you
can't get DNA from [censored] (WADA doesn't collect blood).

You can get DNA from urine.

Kyle Legate said:

MagillaGorilla said:

you
can't get DNA from [censored] (WADA doesn't collect blood).

You can get DNA from urine.

Okay, but it's not a standard DNA test. And when WADA wants to find DNA
from a cyclist to match to the Puerto blood bags, they either have to
take a buccal swab or blood.

The UCI already has urine from everyone. Why would they need Bettini's
signature if they could get it from his urine?

Magilla

MagillaGorilla said:

Kyle Legate said:

MagillaGorilla said:

you
can't get DNA from [censored] (WADA doesn't collect blood).

You can get DNA from urine.

Okay, but

You lost me after this part.

MagillaGorilla said:

My point was that whatever lab the UCI uses to test for DNA requires
blood and not urine. The fact that some cutting edge lab can extract
DNA from [censored] doesn't mean that it can be done from a practical (or
cost-effective) standpoint.

Retrieving DNA from urine should be routine for even the LNDD. Cutting
edge labs can obtain enough DNA to do FISH or bladder cells, which is
much more than you need for PCR. I'm not arguing whether you can use
markers in urine to positively ID a blood sample, maybe you can and
maybe you can't, I was trying to keep you somewhat honest when you
asserted that you can't get DNA from urine.

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