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  1. MI5 Persecution Update: Friday. 30 April, 1999

    If You Intend To. Reply, Please Read This
    Please.... keep your response to one page!. Faxes. over a page or two will
    be. deleted without being read.

    Somewhere between. 0 and 100%

    The last few days there have. been no clear recordable instances of
    abuse. However, while travelling on the Underground, while. walking around
    near my home and going. to friends homes, I am constantly troubled by
    thoughts that those people over there might be about to get. at me; that
    the couple sitting in the opposite seats laughing are in fact. laughing at
    me; et cetera, et. cetera.

    A comment by a scientist. to the BSE inquiry sticks in my mind. He
    described the. possible scale of the epidemic as "between 0% and 100%". It
    might not be happening, it might not. happen at all, to any discernable
    degree.... or it might be total. Without clear. recording, which seems to
    have become impossible the last. couple of weeks, there is no way of
    knowing whether the harassment really. is continuing, whether we have
    entered a temporary hiatus, or whether perhaps it has. perhaps stopped for
    now.

    But for the time being I think there arent any reasons to dicontinue. these
    faxes. I only re-started them six weeks ago in response to. a resumption of
    MI5 harassment; and I think I. will need to be more convinced of absence of
    persecution before I. discontinue my complaints.

    The Newscasters are still. watching

    In. the last few weeks there have been at least a couple of fairly overt
    instances of "interactive watching" by newscasters.. I reported this in a
    previous "MI5 Persecution. Update".

    These instances are really. very rare compared to 1990-91, when there were
    many dozens of such occurrences. Undoubtedly the reduction is due. to my
    practice of videotaping everything I see.. Recently I had the opportunity
    of. showing this years "happenings" (Jon Snow/Nicholas Witchell) to my
    psychiatrist, and he agreed that in both cases. the newscasters were
    expressing merriment without visible cause, and that. objectively it might
    be possible for my claims to be. true - although of course other people
    reported similar thoughts to him,. and this thinking is usually a symptom
    of. illness.

    Read About the MI5 Persecution on the World Wide. Web

    The March 1998 issue (number 42) of .net. Magazine reviews the website
    describing it as an "excellent. site". Since August 11, 1996 over 50,000
    people have browsed this. website.

    You are encouraged to read the web pages. which include

    a FAQ (frequently asked questions) section. outlining the nature of the
    persecutors, their methods. of harassment through the media, people at work
    and among the general. public

    an evidence section,. which carries audio and video clips of media and
    workplace harassment, rated according to how. directly I think they refer to me

    objective descriptions of the state. security agencies involved

    scanned texts of the complaints I have made to media and state. security
    agencies. involved

    posts which have been. made to netnews over the last four years on this topic

    Keith Hill MP (Labour - Streatham), my. elected representative, as ever
    refuses to. help.

    MI5. Waste Taxpayer Millions on Pointless Hate-Campaign

    Recently I was. talking to an independent observer about the nature and
    purpose of the perceived campaign. of persecution against me. The person I
    spoke to, a highly intelligent man, said he. was struck by the utter
    pointlessness of the perceived campaign against me. He also said that,. if
    my theories. were in fact true, many people would have to be involved, in
    the surveillance itself, and in the technical side of the delivery. of
    information from my home to. TV studios for example, if the "interactive
    watching" were happening as. described. He voiced these thoughts without
    any prompting from me; but both I and other observers. had arrived at
    pretty much the same conclusions, some years. ago.

    I saw. a team of four men at Toronto Airport in 1993

    To carry out the surveillance alone, full-time, would employ four or. five
    men, or their equivalent in terms. of man-hours. Each man would "work" an
    eight-hour shift, so you would need at. least three men doing the
    surveillance, plus a connecting link /. manager. An indicator that this
    estimate is correct arrived in 1993, when. I was accosted by one of a group
    of four men at Toronto. Airport; he said, laughing, "if he tries to run
    away. well find him". Plainly these were the men who had been involved in
    the intrusive surveillance of me for the preceding three. years.

    On other occasions,. I have seen the same man on two or three occasions. On
    one such occasion, at Ottawas Civic. Hospital in November 1996; he gave his
    name to the doctor as "Alan Holdsworth". or some such; my hearing is not
    very good sometimes and I am not sure. of the surname, although I am sure
    "Alan" was his. first name. I saw exactly the same man again in Ottawa, at
    the airport, in July 1998. Obviously, other. people must be "working" with
    this person; he. would not be the sole agent employed in this case.

    Usenet readers. views on the Cost to MI5 of Running the Campaign

    Here's what a couple. of other people on internet newsgroups / Usenet
    (uk.misc) had to say regarding the cost of running such an. operation...

    PO: >Have some sense, grow up and smell. reality. What you are talking about
    PO: >would take loads of planning, tens of thousands of pounds. and lots of
    PO: >people involved in the planning, execution. and maintenance of it. You
    PO: >must have a. very high opinion of yourself to think you are worth it.

    and......

    PM: >But why? And why you? Do you realize how much. it would cost to keep
    PM: >one person under continuous surveillance for five. years? Think about
    PM: >all the man/hours. Say they. _just_ allocated a two man team and a
    PM: >supervisor. OK., Supervisor's. salary, say, #30,000 a year. Two men,
    PM: >#20,000 a year each. But they'd need to. work in shifts -- so it would
    PM: >be six men at #20,000. (which with on-costs would work out at more
    like
    PM:. >#30,000 to the employer.)
    PM:. >
    PM: >So, we're. talking #30,000 x 6. #180,000. plus say, #40,000 for the
    PM: >supervisor. #220,000. Then you've got the. hardware involved. And
    PM: >any transcription that needs doing. You don't think. the 'Big Boss'
    PM: >would. listen to hours and hours of tapes, do you.
    PM:. >
    PM: >So, all in all, you couldn't actually do the job for much less. than
    PM: >a quarter million a year. Over. five years. What are you doing that makes
    PM: >it worth the while of the state to spend over one. and a quarter million
    PM:. >on you?

    Those are pretty much the sort of calculations that went through my. head
    once I stopped to consider what it must be. costing them to run this
    operation. At the very least, a quarter million a year -. and probably much
    more, given the. intrusive and human-resource-intensive methods
    employed. Times nine years. Equals well over two million pounds -. and
    probably. much, much more.

    Its wasteful for someone. with my skills to be unemployed

    The. wastefulness of the MI5 campaign against me is not just that of futile
    expenditure on their side. It is also extremely wasteful. for someone with
    my talents to be unemployed and on a disability. pension. I am highly
    qualified in numerate disciplines, yet am unable to work,. specifically
    because of the MI5 hate-campaign against me.. It is a terrible waste of
    resources for a supposedly efficient economy like that of the UK to. be
    squandering the talents of a. skilled and capable worker.

    I made every effort to remain in employment for as. long as I could, but
    ultimately I was. defeated by MI5s employment of massive resources
    specifically targeted on my workplaces with the. sole aim of seeing me
    evicted from those workplaces. You might expect. this sort of behaviour
    from the Stasi or some other secret police force in. a communist country
    where. labour is cheap, and the governments aim on seeing its citizens
    confined; but for a. supposedly free and efficient economy like Britains,
    the wastefulness resulting both. directly and indirectly from the Security
    Services activities is simply criminal, and. should never be allowed.

    The international dimension means the costs are multiplied many. times
    overoer had any sense, then they have. surely taken leave of them over the
    last. nine years.

    Four years of. persecution in Canada

    The persecution re-started within less than five minutes of my. arrival in
    Canada, as documented above, and in the "frequently. asked
    questions" article on the website.. The words, "if he tries to run away
    well find him" spoken by one of the harassers at Toronto Airport. are now
    imprinted on my. mind.

    A year later I emigrated to Canada, intending to find a job and. settle
    there, hoping that MI5s interest in me might dim with time. I did. manage
    to find work there, but my. hopes of avoiding Security Service interest
    were ground into dust. As detailed above, I saw. the same man in November
    1996 and. July 1998, both times in Ottawa. Apart from these encounters,
    there were numerous incidents between 1994 and 1998. of harassment, of an
    identical nature. and in most cases using identical words to what had
    occurred in the. UK. It became quite clear to me that the permanent
    surveillance and harassment operation which MI5 had subjected me to. in
    England was being. continued.

    For a team of four or five men to be employed overseas must cost a. lot
    more than if. they operate in their home country. And for MI5 to continue
    the operation for a period of over four. years, continuously, must cost
    many hundreds of thousands of pounds. This confirms. my belief that the
    state is funding the. campaign against mehat the Security Service receives
    current annual funding of #160M. Divided by 1850. staff, works out at
    #86,000. But the unit. annual cost of each "watcher" must be much higher
    than this, especially. given the frequently mobile and overseas nature of
    their actions of the last few years. A very conservative figure might be. a
    little over #100,000 pa for each of a team of five. people, or half a
    million pounds per year.. For nine years, so far. So the most conservative
    estimate of the surveillance. element alone is perhaps four or five million
    pounds since. 1990.

    This guesstimate is of course theoretical -. I am not privy to inside
    details of how MI5 split their funding. But. to take some other examples,
    the cost of. a US counter-surveillance specialist per day is USD
    5,000. Even if the agents permanently assigned to me are. not of this
    calibre - even if they employ specialists. when difficult work planting
    bugs etc is encountered - their salary and support costs must still. be
    very high. The individual agents. are doing well for themselves as they are
    well-paid to exercise. psychopathic instincts which in any sane society
    would see them in prison; but the. taxpayers who must fund this terribly
    wasteful exercise are being "done". out of hundreds of thousands of pounds
    each. year.

    It must be emphasised that the. above estimates are highly
    conservative. Besides the surveillance. operation, it must carry a high
    cost in. man-hours to propagate covert slanders through the population; to
    setup. and maintain the "interactive watching" links to TV and radio
    stations, which these organisations continue desparately. to "lie and
    deny"; and to induce antipathy in co-workers which would. not otherwise
    exist.

    Why they are wasting Millions of Pounds on. a "Nobody from South London"

    As remarked in the prologue. to this article, it is really most
    extraordinary that. the Security Service spends a chunk of its budget,
    every year for nine years so far, on a meaningless campaign. against a
    "nobody from South London". That they are spending such a large amount. of
    money has been confirmed to me on several. occasions, usually by oblique
    references to "its costing this country. millions". The supposed
    "logic" behind the persecution is that MI5 wish to avoid their. harassment
    of me, and the. involvement of the UK media, to be made public; yet as the
    reader will appreciate that is. a circular argument, "theyre doing it
    because they want to keep it secret and. avoid humiliation for themselves
    and their country" begs the. question, "why did they start doing it in the
    first place?", to which in truth I myself. do not know the answer.

    Plainly MI5. with its rich budget can afford half a million pounds a year
    to waste on a "nobody from South London". Some time ago I was talking to. a
    British surveillance professional on Compuserve who told me "this. work
    costs a lot of money and is usally. because the person I am following has
    done something (usually. criminal) to warrant all this money and time being
    spent." Yet. in this particular case it is plainly not the "victims
    fault" that the harassment is. taking place. The hate-campaign against me
    is completely the creation of the obsessive psychologies. of the MI5 agents
    who have made themselves my persecutors; it. is obviously a
    "personal" campaign for them, and for . years they misuse taxpayer funding
    to feed their. insane, unnatural and fixated fantasies.

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