If you don't believe in Evolution, then why do you drive an SUV?

Red Cloud said:

That's honest opinion being American consumer automobile addicted
culture. Sure Americans are fighting for green stuff but that's just
window dressing. In deepest psyche of America, they are all desire
to drive SUV and Hummer. That is the American psyche. Driving
big car, driving like NASCAR are their passion and psyche. This is
why bicycle will never be the public transporatation in America.
Bike is too slow and too silence and unable to kill human being.

Me addicted American killer automobile consumer.

Me American psyche demand NASCAR killer Hummer making
lots noise!

SMH

George Conklin said:

If you are concerned with your health, you won't be riding a bicycle. Too
many accidents per mile.

Like how many?

Cite please.

SMH

donquijote1954 said:

Lions for lambs. The lion makes the sheep vote in a certain way, and
the sheep blindly follow.

Didn't know sheep voted.

What sort of bribes do the sheep get from the lions?
Extra grazing privileges? A higher percentage of
the wool trade? Outlawing of lamb chops?

SMH

Stephen Harding said:

Once H2 fueled vehicles come on line in perhaps 10-15 years,
their by-product of combustion will be water vapor.

Water vapor is much more effective "greenhouse gas" than
CO2.

Current gasoline-powered cars also produce water vapour - about 8
pound per US gallon of gas burned, I believe.

(It then condenses into ice right where I want to ride, apparently.)

Stephen Harding said:

Jack May said:

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Once H2 fueled vehicles come on line in perhaps 10-15 years,
their by-product of combustion will be water vapor.

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Water vapor is much more effective "greenhouse gas" than
CO2.

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But the atmosphere can only hold so much water vapor before it falls outof
the sky as potential fuel; rain.  Water vapor will probably not effect
greenhouse problems very much.

I think I read that during the Carboniferous period that
the earth was as hot as it has ever been.

ISTR that one of the reasons was due to large amounts of
water vapor in the air (volcanoes?  geothermal activity?).
Can't remember what the source of it was.  Maybe just
evaporation from oceans.

At any rate, the air can be very heavily saturated with
water without it raining, or without rain clearing up
the humidity.  Check out many of the tropical locations
of the world where heavy rains don't lessen humidity.

Perhaps H2 powered SUVs will bring on a glacial cooling
period when all that SUV derived water vapor freezes
into snow and ice in Minnesota and Canada, feeding
glaciers and burying our cities!!!

Wow, those SUVs are really something, huh?

SMH

I think the main contribution of the SUV is toward the male ego of the
American psyche. Perhaps like being a gladiator in Roman times.

Their only drawbacks is the gases they spew and the people they kill
on the roads, but those risks are greatly offset by their benefits.
Well, the Roman Circus had its losers too.

Stephen Harding said:

Red Cloud said:

That's honest opinion being American consumer automobile addicted
culture.  Sure Americans are fighting for green stuff but that's just
window dressing. In deepest psyche of America, they are all desire
to drive SUV and Hummer. That is the American psyche. Driving
big car, driving like NASCAR are their passion and psyche. This is
why bicycle will never be the public transporatation in America.
Bike is too slow and too silence and unable to kill human being.

Me addicted American killer automobile consumer.

Me American psyche demand NASCAR killer Hummer making
lots noise!

SMH

Yep, you must attend "SUV Anonymous," and promise to ride a bicycle,
at least when you go to church.

Stephen Harding said:

George Conklin said:

If you are concerned with your health, you won't be riding a bicycle..  Too
many accidents per mile.

Like how many?

Cite please.

SMH

It's just a fear the system plants on you. It doesn't have to be real
though. Just enough so people give up bicycles and buy SUVs.

George Conklin said:

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Red Cloud said:

That's honest opinion being American consumer automobile addicted
culture. Sure Americans are fighting for green stuff but that's
just window dressing. In deepest psyche of America, they are all
desire to drive SUV and Hummer. That is the American psyche. Driving
big car, driving like NASCAR are their passion and psyche. This is
why bicycle will never be the public transporatation in America.
Bike is too slow and too silence and unable to kill human being.

Only missing thing photo Red Cloud tear in eye. HHT! SB

If you are concerned with your health, you won't be riding a
bicycle. Too many accidents per mile.

First of all, WHOOSH.

Secondly, I'm well over 20,000 miles now, with zero accidents. When should
I start getting scared?!?

Bill "now mountain biking is a far different story" S.

Stephen Harding said:

donquijote1954 said:

Lions for lambs. The lion makes the sheep vote in a certain way, and
the sheep blindly follow.

Didn't know sheep voted.

What sort of bribes do the sheep get from the lions?
Extra grazing privileges?  A higher percentage of
the wool trade?  Outlawing of lamb chops?

SMH

The sheep provide good consumers, which keeps the Hungry Lion happy.

Well the sheep aren't actually happy, but they like suffering as a
sort of highway to heaven.

"HAPPY PEOPLE IS NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS"

In a consumeristic society the more people get sick, suffer, die, the
better it's for business.

For example, people who can't ride bikes in dangerous traffic become
couch potatoes, who soon become sick, then suffer and finally die. You
can see it everywhere: THE JUNK FOOD INDUSTRY getting kids addicted to
sweet, unhealthy stuff; THE ACCIDENT INDUSTRY that keeps people buying
ever bigger SUVs; THE WAR INDUSTRY that keeps conflicts among ethnics
and religions; THE OIL INDUSTRY that keeps adding to Global Warming as
if there were no tomorrow (there isn't, thanks to them); THE
HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY that benefits from sickness, obesity and mental
anxiety; THE RELIGIOUS INDUSTRY that makes sure you live in fear of a
loving God; and finally THE FUNERAL INDUSTRY that makes sure nothing
gets wasted.

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Jack May said:

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I think I read that during the Carboniferous period that
the earth was as hot as it has ever been.

ISTR that one of the reasons was due to large amounts of
water vapor in the air (volcanoes? geothermal activity?).
Can't remember what the source of it was. Maybe just
evaporation from oceans.

At any rate, the air can be very heavily saturated with
water without it raining, or without rain clearing up
the humidity. Check out many of the tropical locations
of the world where heavy rains don't lessen humidity.

From:

http://www.wxdude.com/humidity.html

Air can only hold 100% relative humidity. For rain the 100% relative
humidity is at the altitude where the rain is coming from, not the ground
where the humidity gage is normally. It takes some time for the 100%
humidity "mist" to form into drops which fall as rain. There are cases
where there can be super cooled water being more than 100%, but that is
rare.

So for all practical purposes vapor is not going to do much to increase
global warming because it will precipitate out as rain when it reaches 100%
humidity at some place in the atmosphere. Since we get rain now, the air is
often saturated at some place with the maximum moisture it can hold.

The American psyche is something that the rest of the world doesn't
understand. It's a sort of vaudeville with SUVs and guns. A farse with
yellow ribbons...

"Stick Magnetic Ribbons on your SUV"

Red Cloud said:

That's honest opinion being American consumer automobile addicted
culture. Sure Americans are fighting for green stuff but that's just
window dressing. In deepest psyche of America, they are all desire
to drive SUV and Hummer. That is the American psyche. Driving
big car, driving like NASCAR are their passion and psyche. This is
why bicycle will never be the public transporatation in America.
Bike is too slow and too silence and unable to kill human being.

What, no "White Penis Power"?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." A. Derleth

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Bike is too slow and too silence and unable to kill human being.

Why would you want to kill human being with your bike, RC.
That's horrible!

suv here in new york city are now a dead issue

what we now see are 1/2 ton 4 wheel drive pickups with double wheels in back
and passenger cabs
it really is depressing
i can now understand the phd physicist burning suv dealerships

i suspect after Katrina groups of people jsut killed the persons who totally
disrupted the ability to suvive--drink all teh water/ eat all the food freak
out becasue of no alcohol

etc
fwiw

peter

"David

do you really believe that ther is enough biomass to feed
1/2 ton 4 wheel drive pickups?
i susspect they get about 6 miles a gallon when they lie about their gas
milage

fwiw
peter

The more economical source is when they start running on bull [censored].
Imagine all the [censored] cows leave behind, not to say what people say in
politics and organized religion.

politicians and lots of religious leaders only reflect the society as does
this usenet--so what do you expect?

fwiw
peter

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I think the planet is doomed unless there is mass human
destruction!

Perhaps SUVs are actually doing Earth a favor?

steve
i hate to say this but i think you are right--sad for our children
i know of no answer and that includes getting human dna off this planet
life i know will go one and steve--that's what keeps me going in a dead
planet

peter

I think the main contribution of the SUV is toward the male ego of the
American psyche. Perhaps like being a gladiator in Roman times.
i agree
you can now see it in 1/2 ton 4 wheel drive pickups here in the bronx
also if you can believe it--stretch humvees

peter

They will shuttle the Religious Right out of this planet when they
finally succeed in destroying it.

its really not them
they jsut refect our society no more no less

peter

ilaboo said:

The more economical source is when they start running on bull [censored].
Imagine all the [censored] cows leave behind, not to say what people say in
politics and organized religion.

politicians and lots of religious leaders only reflect the society as does
this usenet--so what do you expect?

I expect correct netiquette and for a reply to contain some idea of what
is being replied to.