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  1. I don't like dogs either, I especially don't see the attraction of
    having one as a house pet (unless it's a little thing you can trust).
    They always seem too unpredictable and hyper... and the massive one's
    (pitbulls?) are vicious (ok, some not but most are). I mean... they
    kill babies and don't get banned! WTF!

    I just don't see the attraction of having a dog like that over a nice
    lil cat or two.

    If I was chased by a dog I'd first try and out ride it - I don't know
    what i'd do after that though :p

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  2. jamessd said:

    and the massive one's (pitbulls?) are vicious (ok, some not but most
    are). I mean... they kill babies and don't get banned! WTF!

    Every week in the UK, 2 or 3 (the average is about 2.5) children are
    killed by their own parents. Every day, in the UK, 9 people are killed
    on the roads. every year in the UK, one or two people are killed by
    dogs. The question is not one of risk, but of risk perception.

    My partner has two Rottweilers. One of them can be chewing a bone or
    playing with a dog toy and you can take the bone or toy out of its
    mouth just by holding out your hand and saying "Let go." Every time.

    The small number of people who are hurt or even killed by "big dogs"
    are usually unlucky or stupid enough to put themselves in the path of a
    guard dog, or a dog kept for intimidation purposes by an owner who has
    no interest in the dog as anything other than a status symbol.

    Recent cases in the UK:

    A baby killed in a pub in leicester. The guard dog was kept on the
    flat roof of the pub, never socialised, and was deliberately kept for
    the purpose of intimidating potential burglars or assailants. Someone
    left a door open into a room where there was an unattended baby. The
    dog attacked the baby. Irresponsible dog owners, and irresponsible
    parents.

    A child of 7 carrying a baby out of the house into the back yard, where
    a Rottweiler was chained up. Why is a 7 year old carrying a baby
    outside the house unattended? Baby carried into the territory of an
    unsocialised dog. Irresponsible on all counts.

    A lady who worked at a kennel, who was badly savaged by a "rescue dog".
    That's a dog that has not been looked after or trained, and has never
    been socialised, before being abandoned to be "someone else's
    problem".

    On the other hand, my brother and sister in law have a Rottweiler that
    is kept in the house, and knows its place in the "pack". They have a
    new baby. I went to touch the baby and the dog stood between me and
    the baby to guard it, but without biting me. They are responsible dog
    owners, and responsible parents.

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  3. I don't like dogs. I live in an area where I'm sure there are more dogs
    than humans and often ride where they are taken for walks.

    So far I have more trouble (annoyance really) with owners who don't
    have their (in these cases) stupid,dogs on leads. They are supposed to
    have them on leads, it says so on signs all over the prom. But said
    stupid dogs wander underneath my wheel, forcing me to dismount. I glare
    at the owners. Once I even had an argument with the friend of one of
    the owners when I mentioned that the dog should be on a lead (very
    unlike me).

    Once or twice I have been chased by hostile dogs whilst their owners
    tried, without success, to call them back. The most recent time I was
    riding along the prom, which was covered in sand and I was finding the
    riding tricky anyway. The dog seemed to object to the fact that I was
    using my arms for balance and kept jumping up, trying to bite my hands.
    It was very hairy. I thought I was going to fall off and roll down the
    slope to my right and/or get bitten. Eventually the owner gained
    control, thank goodness.

    You can't do much about irresponsible dog owners. the best thing you
    can probably do is campaign for local bylaws that say that dogs should
    be on a lead when anywhere in public. that way you can sue the owner if
    you/you unicycle gets damaged because of thier dog.

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  4. Mike has a lot of good points. It is mostly things that the dog
    whisperer is saying here in the states. You are right, sometimes an
    authorative "NO!" does the trick. It is the need to break their train
    of thought to hear the "NO". As for the mace, I personally do not agree
    though I have considered it. I think you are asking for trouble if you
    go on the attack. I will let you all know how well that dog "dazer"
    works when I get it. It should be here today or monday. For those of
    you who don't know, it emits a irritating burst frequency that only
    dogs respond to. What I envision and read, is that you press the button
    and say no (or whatever) and it will startle the dog. It has a 30'
    radius. We can all attest we are not trying to kill dogs we just want
    to ride safely.

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  5. Always carry a cat with you. When a dog starts to chase you, drop the
    cat. The dog will be distracted and chase the cat. Getting fresh
    replacement cats is easy.

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  6. Wheel Rider said:

    I was 'attacked' (http://tinyurl.com/yohou3) by several dogs.

    I have heard that yelling "no" will usually stop a dog because that is
    something most dogs (and small children 🙄 ) understand.
    Sometimes that works. I have been successful with out-racing small
    dogs.

    Well, now I feel silly for thinking that hissing would be a good idea.
    If I were walking, I'd tell the dog no and use an authoritive voice to
    tell him to mind his own business. So surely unicycling shouldn't
    change the situation too much.

    The link you posted was really interesting, especially the discussion
    on why dogs seem so attracted to unicycles/ unicyclists.

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  7. Mikefule said:

    A child of 7 carrying a baby out of the house into the back yard, where
    a Rottweiler was chained up. Why is a 7 year old carrying a baby
    outside the house unattended? Baby carried into the territory of an
    unsocialised dog. Irresponsible on all counts.

    Like I said, You seem to be biased to the dog side of the world.
    Maybe you don't understand kids, just dogs.

    As for swearing at a total stranger, you got me there. Please excuse
    my French, but this topic gets me very angry. I don't like dealing
    with dogs and I don't like the rationalizations that I hear from dog
    owners that tell me what I should have done to have avoid a bad
    situation with a dog. The fact is if the dog is controlled, by leash
    or barrier, I don't have a problem with it.

    As for solving problems with violence, when being chased, barked at, or
    threatened by a dog, I see no other method than return the action. I
    have stood my ground and yelled NO at dogs and avoided further contact.
    The act of controlling the dog, or at least standing it down, I can
    do. Putting up with the attitude of entitlement that is shined from
    dog owners is the most frustrating part. I loved the [censored]
    attitude I got from an owner when I tried to pepper spray her dog that
    was unleashed in a public park. It had chased me off the path and the
    owner was 50 feet from it. Come on! Your dog threatens me, I defend
    myself, what is the problem here? The dog and its owner.

    You might want to contemplate my thoughts on having rocks thrown close
    to you by a total stranger. It seems a little scary, maybe even
    intimidating. When you confront the stranger on this, and he say s
    something like don't be irresponsible, I am throwing rocks over there.
    If you don't want rocks to come close to you, then go somewhere where I
    am not. That is what living with someone else’s uncontrolled dog is
    like.

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  8. I think we are under the general consensus that if people would control
    their dogs we would be better off. As for the leash laws... whether
    posted or not people do not think they apply to them and their dog. I
    do like the idea of throwing rocks at people! Ha! (just kidding)

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  9. Mark Twain said:

    Even when I could not hit a wagon I could hit a dog that came to see me
    practice. They all liked to see me practice, and they all came, for
    there was very little going on in our neighborhood to entertain a
    dog. It took time to learn to miss a dog, but I achieved even that.

    http://tinyurl.com/2axxpu

    Some things never change. 😉

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  10. Unibugg said:

    http://tinyurl.com/2axxpu

    Some things never change. 😉

    Thanks Unibugg. What a great read.

    I am in agreement with rem48, I don't mind dogs if they are controlled.

    I do question Mikefule's argument about comparing dog killings to
    accidents and homicide. Is it really a fair comparison to equate human
    activities to animal activities? Car accidents happen by people
    driving cars, parents killing their kids this could be intentional or
    accidental. Dog owners not controlling their dog/s is a human
    activity. Dogs attacking and killing humans is an animal activity.

    I am all for nature and loving animals, but if a dog is a menace it
    should be put down. We do it to bears why not dogs?

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  11. OldDrone said:

    I am all for nature and loving animals, but if a dog is a menace it
    should be put down. We do it to bears why not dogs?

    um, don't they?

    I know a few people who have shot their dogs because they were
    untrainable or mean (the dog). Maybe it is a cultural difference but we
    get rid of bad dogs, I can't imagine why you would keep a dog that is
    mean and does not serve a purpose. Would you keep a horse that bites,
    kicks and refuses to work/let you ride?

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  12. Unibugg said:

    http://tinyurl.com/2axxpu

    Some things never change. 😉

    Despite the old fashioned language, that is so very descriptive. I can
    picture every problem he had with this penny farthing to perfection.
    It reminds me to make contact with a friend who has one ( genuine
    article), and to plead with him to let me have a go.

    Nao

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  13. I had a very rare and pleasant exchange with a man who was walking two
    dogs today on the local nature trail that I usually ride on. He saw me
    coming and held his dogs by their collars as he let me pass. As I rode
    by, the man gave me a nod (which I returned) and I said "Yep, just your
    local neighbourhood unicyclist."

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  14. saskatchewanian said:

    um, don't they?

    I know a few people who have shot their dogs because they were
    untrainable or mean (the dog). Maybe it is a cultural difference but we
    get rid of bad dogs, I can't imagine why you would keep a dog that is
    mean and does not serve a purpose. Would you keep a horse that bites,
    kicks and refuses to work/let you ride?

    I am sure they do in some extreme cases. I'd like to extend this
    practice to the chasing, threatening level.

    As long as I am bashing dogs and dog owners:
    Why are dog owners ok with letting there dogs bark at every person that
    passes their yard? Dog owners in general, don't think of the nuisance
    that their barking dog is to their neighbors. It is so rude.

    My neighbors have two dogs that bark and thrash the fence at every
    person or dog that passes by. Otherwise, these are very nice dogs. At
    least they are controlled from chasing. The commotion and annoyance is
    too much. Fortunately I work during the day so I don't hear it too
    much, but if I take the day off it gets old, fast.

    I was at their house for a party over the holidays and the misses of
    the house was lamenting that a neighbor (not me) kept calling Animal
    Control to complain about the barking. She held up her hands and said
    "Come on, their dogs; they bark". As if this was suppose to make it
    acceptable.

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  15. i think yell at them and tell them to sit etc. every dog most likely
    knows the sit command and by yelling it asserts your dominance. every
    dog responds to dominance, its the basis of the pack mentality. every
    pack has a heirachy and a "top dog". if you can show the dog that your
    bigger, stronger etc than the dog and make them submissive, then they'l
    back off (hopefully). the smaller the dog, the easier it is, but it
    should work with every dog. i have two dogs and it works with them
    (they dont bark and are obedient etc), admittedly they are small which
    makes it easier because your physically bigger then them.

    if in doubt, wear shid pads😄 thats the part of you most likely to get
    bitten whilst riding (happend to me, dog wasnt too serious but it
    wouldve sucked w/o shin pads.)

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  16. maestro8 said:

    The mace is to prevent injury to the rider. ...

    Lawsuits are a moot point. If you're being attacked, you have the
    right to defend yourself. If anything, you're preventing lawsuits
    against the dog owner.

    So the lawyer for the prosecution would have to prove that you'd set
    out on your ride LOOKING for dogs to mace. Now, that might be the case,
    but it would still be hard to prove. Just don't wear your "I [MACE
    BOTTLE] dogs" shirt while in pursuit of fresh game.

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  17. seriousslacker said:

    I think when dogs are out walking with their owners, they are not going
    to attack you once they realize you are a human.

    I don't care WHAT the dog owners think...

    Oh, you meant the dogs.

    As for the owners, I've posted about this subject a long time ago. My
    philosophy is that if it's a shared road, like a bike path that allows
    pedestrians, you have to ride safely (slower than top speed) and dog
    owners have to keep their pets leashed. If they allow their dogs to
    walk unleashed (which is illegal in NYC), then you are within your
    rights to squush the dog if it's small enough. Now, no one wants to do
    that, since it's not the dog's fault, so better yet, aim for the
    owner.

    Luckily, I never had to do this in my NYC-riding days, but it's always
    best to be prepared, and believe me, I was certainly prepared to smoosh
    an unleashed dog-owner whose dog was threatening my safety.

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  18. David_Stone said:

    I don't care WHAT the dog owners think...

    Oh, you meant the dogs.

    As for the owners, I've posted about this subject a long time ago. My
    philosophy is that if it's a shared road, like a bike path that allows
    pedestrians, you have to ride safely (slower than top speed) and dog
    owners have to keep their pets leashed. If they allow their dogs to
    walk unleashed (which is illegal in NYC), then you are within your
    rights to squush the dog if it's small enough. Now, no one wants to do
    that, since it's not the dog's fault, so better yet, aim for the
    owner.

    Luckily, I never had to do this in my NYC-riding days, but it's always
    best to be prepared, and believe me, I was certainly prepared to smoosh
    an unleashed dog-owner whose dog was threatening my safety.

    Inspiring words :p

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  19. I forgot to mention one other thing I used to do while riding past
    unleashed dog owners. I'd shake an index finger at them and say, with
    an authoritative voice, "BAD dog owner. BAD dog owner."

    After reading all of these posts, I have a few other comments:

    1. I will henceforth ensure that I have at least two cats (it's always
    best to have a spare cat) when I ride thru dog-infested areas; thanks,
    Harper.
    2. Bear owners should also be forced to leash their animals. I will
    write to my local government leaders to see if we can enact some leash
    laws for bears, and I suggest the same for Saskachewan.

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  20. There are times when, reading through these fora, I feel that it is not
    just the dogs, but also some unicyclists who should be on a leash...
    and the response to that is NOT "Yes please".

    ;-)

    Nao

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