Doping, baseball, and they don't care.

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Bill C said:

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Red Sox GM Theo Epstein has indicated he will not comment on anything
pertaining to the Mitchell Report, even the parts in which he is cited
as having conversations about Donnelly and Eric Gagné using
performance-enhancing substances. J.P. Ricciardi in Toronto and Billy
Beane in Oakland, two GMs unafraid to speak their minds, issued no
comments on all things Mitchell.

The feeling is that the less talk there is, the easier the transition
will be for the accused players. Teams are trying to get into the
"moving on from this" phase, even with a congressional hearing
looming.

Yep the teams sure ARE trying to clean up their acts...
Lots more there from an OK sports writer.

Exactly the way cycling should handle the matter.
Let's put all this behind us.

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Michael Press

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Bill C said:

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Red Sox GM Theo Epstein has indicated he will not comment on anything
pertaining to the Mitchell Report, even the parts in which he is cited
as having conversations about Donnelly and Eric Gagné using
performance-enhancing substances. J.P. Ricciardi in Toronto and Billy
Beane in Oakland, two GMs unafraid to speak their minds, issued no
comments on all things Mitchell.

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The feeling is that the less talk there is, the easier the transition
will be for the accused players. Teams are trying to get into the
"moving on from this" phase, even with a congressional hearing
looming.

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Yep the teams sure ARE trying to clean up their acts...
 Lots more there from an OK sports writer.

Exactly the way cycling should handle the matter.
Let's put all this behind us.

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Lots less damage, for sure. They're still turning record numbers and
revenues. How's cycling doing again?
Bill C

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Red Sox GM Theo Epstein has indicated he will not comment on anything
pertaining to the Mitchell Report, even the parts in which he is cited
as having conversations about Donnelly and Eric Gagné using
performance-enhancing substances. J.P. Ricciardi in Toronto and Billy
Beane in Oakland, two GMs unafraid to speak their minds, issued no
comments on all things Mitchell.

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The feeling is that the less talk there is, the easier the transition
will be for the accused players. Teams are trying to get into the
"moving on from this" phase, even with a congressional hearing
looming.

Quoted message said:

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Yep the teams sure ARE trying to clean up their acts...
Lots more there from an OK sports writer.

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Exactly the way cycling should handle the matter.
Let's put all this behind us.

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Michael Press- Hide quoted text -

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Lots less damage, for sure. They're still turning record numbers and
revenues. How's cycling doing again?

dumbass,

i think a better thing to think about is how marion jones is doing in
the slammer.

given the choice no sport is going to want to punish or tarnish their
stars, but the leagues can't save you if you've broken the law and
there are politicians and prosecutors who have the motivation to
pursue these high profile cases.

clemens doesn't give a rats ass about what theo epstein or jp
ricciardi thinks about the mitchell report, he worried about whether
he'll face a criminal charge.

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Bill C said:

On Jan 13, 5:51 pm, Michael Press <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2008/01/13/noroidragein clubhouses/

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> Red Sox GM Theo Epstein has indicated he will not comment on anything
> pertaining to the Mitchell Report, even the parts in which he is cited
> as having conversations about Donnelly and Eric Gagné using
> performance-enhancing substances. J.P. Ricciardi in Toronto and Billy
> Beane in Oakland, two GMs unafraid to speak their minds, issued no
> comments on all things Mitchell.

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> The feeling is that the less talk there is, the easier the transition
> will be for the accused players. Teams are trying to get into the
> "moving on from this" phase, even with a congressional hearing
> looming.

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> Yep the teams sure ARE trying to clean up their acts...
> Lots more there from an OK sports writer.

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Exactly the way cycling should handle the matter.
Let's put all this behind us.

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Michael Press- Hide quoted text -

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Lots less damage, for sure. They're still turning record numbers and
revenues. How's cycling doing again?

dumbass,

i think a better thing to think about is how marion jones is doing in
the slammer.

given the choice no sport is going to want to punish or tarnish their
stars, but the leagues can't save you if you've broken the law and
there are politicians and prosecutors who have the motivation to
pursue these high profile cases.

clemens doesn't give a rats ass about what theo epstein or jp
ricciardi thinks about the mitchell report, he worried about whether
he'll face a criminal charge.

I just overheard off of the tube that Marion Jones is scheduled to
appear on Oprah today. I think that I'll wait for the CNN/Fox
appearances.

-bdbafh

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 Bill C <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2008/01/13/noroidragein clubhouses/

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> Red Sox GM Theo Epstein has indicated he will not comment on anything
> pertaining to the Mitchell Report, even the parts in which he is cited
> as having conversations about Donnelly and Eric Gagné using
> performance-enhancing substances. J.P. Ricciardi in Toronto and Billy
> Beane in Oakland, two GMs unafraid to speak their minds, issued no
> comments on all things Mitchell.

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> The feeling is that the less talk there is, the easier the transition
> will be for the accused players. Teams are trying to get into the
> "moving on from this" phase, even with a congressional hearing
> looming.

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> Yep the teams sure ARE trying to clean up their acts...
>  Lots more there from an OK sports writer.

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Exactly the way cycling should handle the matter.
Let's put all this behind us.

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Lots less damage, for sure. They're still turning record numbers and
revenues. How's cycling doing again?

dumbass,

i think a better thing to think about is how marion jones is doing in
the slammer.

given the choice no sport is going to want to punish or tarnish their
stars, but the leagues can't save you if you've broken the law and
there are politicians and prosecutors who have the motivation to
pursue these high profile cases.

clemens doesn't give a rats ass about what theo epstein or jp
ricciardi thinks about the  mitchell report, he worried about whether
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Amit my point with the General Managers, Epstein and Riciardi was that
they were aware of the doping, the reports the guys were doping, and
willing to sign guys that were doping.
The SF Giants ownership and management are maybe gonna get some small
penalty for this stuff. The teams in baseball are as complicit as any
in cycling. The reality is that noone other than a handful of
crusaders gives a damn. Those crusaders can always line up politicians
and prosecutors looking to make a splash.
I don't have any sympathy for Jones. She knew the rules, broke them,
then, knew the laws ands chose to break them, and got tagged. You play
the game, take the chance, you pay the cost. If your gonna play you
gotta be ready to pay.
Bill C
Bill C

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clemens doesn't give a rats ass about what theo epstein or jp
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Amit my point with the General Managers, Epstein and Riciardi was that
they were aware of the doping, the reports the guys were doping, and
willing to sign guys that were doping.

Of course they are. And the same thing is true in cycling. Every top
rider that I can think of that was in a doping case prior to 2004 (pre-
WADA, protour rules) was always able to find a team (virenque, vdb,
casagrande, frigo).

Only when it doesn't make economic sense will athletes who were known
to be doping not be able to find a team.

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The SF Giants ownership and management are maybe gonna get some small
penalty for this stuff. The teams in baseball are as complicit as any
in cycling. The reality is that noone other than a handful of
crusaders gives a damn. Those crusaders can always line up politicians
and prosecutors looking to make a splash.
I don't have any sympathy for Jones. She knew the rules, broke them,
then, knew the laws ands chose to break them, and got tagged. You play
the game, take the chance, you pay the cost. If your gonna play you
gotta be ready to pay.

She broke laws, she isn't going to jail because she cheated in
sports.

These doping cases have nothing to do with public health or safety,
but try telling the judge your case is just a waste of time. So, until
they put an NFL team in the prison system, jail time will still
interfere with a career.

On Jan 16, 11:57 am, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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I don't have any sympathy for Jones. She knew the rules, broke them,
then, knew the laws ands chose to break them, and got tagged. You play
the game, take the chance, you pay the cost. If your gonna play you
gotta be ready to pay.

She broke laws, she isn't going to jail because she cheated in
sports.

These doping cases have nothing to do with public health or safety,
but try telling the judge your case is just a waste of time. So, until
they put an NFL team in the prison system, jail time will still
interfere with a career.

Bad choice of words on my part. I meant the game of doping, then all
the legal [censored].
I still think it's a ridiculous and total waste of law enforcement
time and resources, but it's bang for the buck for the politicians.
Bill C