Quick Release for Cantilevers Brakes?

Lewis Barings said:

My Novara Radonee has Shimano cantilevers with no quick-release (other
than disengaging the yoke cable which is very difficult, sometimes
impossible). So I'm wondering if there are any cable hangers
currently manufactured with a q/r device? These were common in years
past. I've looked on the web & find none.

I've read about the work-around to use the barrel adjuster but the
convenience of a lever would really be nice.

Thanks!

What brake lever are you using? Some brake levers like Dia Compe have
a release built into them. It allows enough slack in the cable to
release them. Steve

Lewis Barings said:

My Novara Radonee has Shimano cantilevers with no quick-release (other
than disengaging the yoke cable which is very difficult, sometimes
impossible). So I'm wondering if there are any cable hangers
currently manufactured with a q/r device? These were common in years
past. I've looked on the web & find none.
I've read about the work-around to use the barrel adjuster but the
convenience of a lever would really be nice.

Specifically, either a Campagnolo Ergo lever with built in QR or, if you
are not running indexed levers, the Campagnolo or Tektro aero lever with QR.
(and yes, there are QR cable hangers for regular BSC headsets, difficult
on an OS AH headset)
More generally, our assembly inspection standard for cantilever or
linear brakes is that an average customer should be able to open the
brake with fingers and without duress or pain - such that a new bike
owner can remove the wheel to take her bike home in a car. You might
want to lighten up on that brake adjustment!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi said:

You might
want to lighten up on that brake adjustment!

Exactly what I was thinking. Cantis are designed to fall back from the
rim a little more than how you would adjust a linear pull brake.

The Randonee is Shimano brifter equipped, FWIW.

OT: With that nice new linear pull road lever from Tektro, I'd love to
see touring bikes with bar ends and LP brakes. Cantis are fine--but
I've fallen for the stupid-proof adjustment of LP brakes.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:01:52 -0600, A Muzi <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Lewis Barings said:

My Novara Radonee has Shimano cantilevers with no quick-release (other
than disengaging the yoke cable which is very difficult, sometimes
impossible). So I'm wondering if there are any cable hangers
currently manufactured with a q/r device? These were common in years
past. I've looked on the web & find none.
I've read about the work-around to use the barrel adjuster but the
convenience of a lever would really be nice.

Specifically, either a Campagnolo Ergo lever with built in QR or, if you
are not running indexed levers, the Campagnolo or Tektro aero lever with QR.
(and yes, there are QR cable hangers for regular BSC headsets, difficult
on an OS AH headset)
More generally, our assembly inspection standard for cantilever or
linear brakes is that an average customer should be able to open the
brake with fingers and without duress or pain - such that a new bike
owner can remove the wheel to take her bike home in a car. You might
want to lighten up on that brake adjustment!

I like that standard.

Being too lazy to re-adjust the brakes when new, it took 6-8 months
for the pads to wear down so I could easily disengage the cantis on my
Randonee.

Pat
Email address works as is.

"A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Specifically, either a Campagnolo Ergo lever with built in QR or, if you
are not running indexed levers, the Campagnolo or Tektro aero lever with
QR.
(and yes, there are QR cable hangers for regular BSC headsets, difficult
on an OS AH headset)
More generally, our assembly inspection standard for cantilever or linear
brakes is that an average customer should be able to open the brake with
fingers and without duress or pain - such that a new bike owner can remove
the wheel to take her bike home in a car. You might want to lighten up on
that brake adjustment!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Campy levers would be sweet, for me not worth the extra $$. Well if it's
standard to leave enough pad gap to allow easy unhooking I should try that.
Previous bikes used sidepulls adjusted really close, I like that instant
response. Oh well.

Thanks

"landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

OT: With that nice new linear pull road lever from Tektro, I'd love to
see touring bikes with bar ends and LP brakes. Cantis are fine--but
I've fallen for the stupid-proof adjustment of LP brakes.

Bar-ends are more reliable but all my current riding is in local area so
brifters are OK for me. Actually when I bought the bike I didn't know that
bar-ends worked for indexed shifting. Pays to read RBT.

Lewis Barings said:

"landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

OT: With that nice new linear pull road lever from Tektro, I'd love to
see touring bikes with bar ends and LP brakes. Cantis are fine--but
I've fallen for the stupid-proof adjustment of LP brakes.

Bar-ends are more reliable but all my current riding is in local area so
brifters are OK for me. Actually when I bought the bike I didn't know that
bar-ends worked for indexed shifting. Pays to read RBT.

Brifters [1] should be for racing/racing training only. All bicycles
used for more practical purposes should have bar-end or down-tube
shifters with an optional friction mode.

[1] Or trigger shifters on ATBs.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

Tom Sherman said:

Brifters [1] should be for racing/racing training only. All bicycles
used for more practical purposes should have bar-end or down-tube
shifters with an optional friction mode.

What about just riding for fun? What is alowed for that?

What about a fun commute in a city?

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Tom Sherman said:

Brifters [1] should be for racing/racing training only. All bicycles
used for more practical purposes should have bar-end or down-tube
shifters with an optional friction mode.

What about just riding for fun? What is alowed for that?

What about a fun commute in a city?

The fun stops as soon as the indexing goes off a little bit or the
brifter otherwise malfunctions.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

Tom Sherman said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Tom Sherman said:

Brifters [1] should be for racing/racing training only. All bicycles
used for more practical purposes should have bar-end or down-tube
shifters with an optional friction mode.

What about just riding for fun? What is alowed for that?

What about a fun commute in a city?

The fun stops as soon as the indexing goes off a little bit or the
brifter otherwise malfunctions.

That doesn't happen often at all.

I have to laugh at th tech-grouches who care so much for "reliability"
that they ride around with worse stuff all the time. I'll take one
day every couple of years out of adjustment for 200 days of fun and
better performance. But then when I bike commuted it wasn't some sort
of outback adventure when a little chain rub would result in death or
losses of vast sums of money being helicoptered out of the woods....

On Jan 23, 1:46 am, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:00:30 -0600, Tom Sherman
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Brifters [1] should be for racing/racing training only. All bicycles
used for more practical purposes should have bar-end or down-tube
shifters with an optional friction mode.

Quoted message said:

What about just riding for fun? What is alowed for that?

Quoted message said:

What about a fun commute in a city?

Quoted message said:

The fun stops as soon as the indexing goes off a little bit or the
brifter otherwise malfunctions.

You must have a hard time with spoons and zippers.

landotter said:

On Jan 23, 1:46 am, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:00:30 -0600, Tom Sherman
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> Brifters [1] should be for racing/racing training only. All bicycles
> used for more practical purposes should have bar-end or down-tube
> shifters with an optional friction mode.

Quoted message said:

What about just riding for fun? What is alowed for that?

Quoted message said:

What about a fun commute in a city?

Quoted message said:

The fun stops as soon as the indexing goes off a little bit or the
brifter otherwise malfunctions.

You must have a hard time with spoons and zippers.

I eat with my hands. Very reliable.

landotter said:

On Jan 23, 1:46 am, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:00:30 -0600, Tom Sherman
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> Brifters [1] should be for racing/racing training only. All bicycles
> used for more practical purposes should have bar-end or down-tube
> shifters with an optional friction mode.

Quoted message said:

What about just riding for fun? What is alowed for that?

Quoted message said:

What about a fun commute in a city?

Quoted message said:

The fun stops as soon as the indexing goes off a little bit or the
brifter otherwise malfunctions.

You must have a hard time with spoons and zippers.

I eat with my hands. Very reliable.

On Jan 23, 5:37 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 07:53:02 -0800 (PST), landotter

Quoted message said:

On Jan 23, 1:46 am, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:00:30 -0600, Tom Sherman
> <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> Brifters [1] should be for racing/racing training only. All bicycles
>> used for more practical purposes should have bar-end or down-tube
>> shifters with an optional friction mode.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> What about just riding for fun? What is alowed for that?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> What about a fun commute in a city?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The fun stops as soon as the indexing goes off a little bit or the
brifter otherwise malfunctions.

Quoted message said:

You must have a hard time with spoons and zippers.

I eat with my hands. Very reliable.

Too much of a man to use a spork?

Lewis Barings said:

"A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Specifically, either a Campagnolo Ergo lever with built in QR or, if you
are not running indexed levers, the Campagnolo or Tektro aero lever with
QR.
(and yes, there are QR cable hangers for regular BSC headsets, difficult
on an OS AH headset)
More generally, our assembly inspection standard for cantilever or linear
brakes is that an average customer should be able to open the brake with
fingers and without duress or pain - such that a new bike owner can remove
the wheel to take her bike home in a car. You might want to lighten up on
that brake adjustment!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Campy levers would be sweet, for me not worth the extra $$. Well if it's
standard to leave enough pad gap to allow easy unhooking I should try that.
Previous bikes used sidepulls adjusted really close, I like that instant
response. Oh well.

Try riding a MBST out of a department store to appreciate what you
have.
That's what I have to ride after my OCR3 (backup)
was stolen out of a _closed_ garage this sunday.
Two things happen:
1. you brake with the rear brake and hope there won't be
a squeal. Half a minute later you come to a stop (in a middle
of an intersection).
2. you brake with the front and the canti lever pad wannabees pressing
against the p.o.s. wobbly up front elicit a deafening
ayeayeeeeeeeeayeeeeeeee screech.
Of course that P.O.S. bike is designed in such a way that you can't
put
semi decent pads in that could've locked up the front so that I can at
least
practice stoppies :-)
-----
Two ladies at the retirement home:
1st: The food is very mediocre here
2nd: Yes.... and the portions are very small also...

terra lutra said:

On Jan 23, 1:46 am, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:00:30 -0600, Tom Sherman
<[email hidden]> wrote:
> Brifters [1] should be for racing/racing training only. All bicycles
> used for more practical purposes should have bar-end or down-tube
> shifters with an optional friction mode.
What about just riding for fun? What is alowed for that?
What about a fun commute in a city?

The fun stops as soon as the indexing goes off a little bit or the
brifter otherwise malfunctions.

You must have a hard time with spoons and zippers.

Actually, I was thinking about messing with other people's broken
bicycles on various rides (I had tools and spares, they did not).

A bar-end will still shift when things get knocked out of alignment. A
broken brifter will not do a damn thing.

Brifters seem particularly prone to problems in freezing weather.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Tom Sherman said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:00:30 -0600, Tom Sherman
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> Brifters [1] should be for racing/racing training only. All bicycles
> used for more practical purposes should have bar-end or down-tube
> shifters with an optional friction mode.
What about just riding for fun? What is alowed for that?

What about a fun commute in a city?

The fun stops as soon as the indexing goes off a little bit or the
brifter otherwise malfunctions.

That doesn't happen often at all.

I have to laugh at th tech-grouches who care so much for "reliability"
that they ride around with worse stuff all the time. I'll take one
day every couple of years out of adjustment for 200 days of fun and
better performance. But then when I bike commuted it wasn't some sort
of outback adventure when a little chain rub would result in death or
losses of vast sums of money being helicoptered out of the woods....

Well, I can shift my bar-ends and my twist-grips without moving my hands
from the braking position. What could be better than that?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

I eat with my hands. Very reliable.

I eat with my mouth.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

Tom Sherman said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Tom Sherman said:

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:00:30 -0600, Tom Sherman
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Brifters [1] should be for racing/racing training only. All bicycles
>> used for more practical purposes should have bar-end or down-tube
>> shifters with an optional friction mode.
> What about just riding for fun? What is alowed for that?
>
> What about a fun commute in a city?
>
The fun stops as soon as the indexing goes off a little bit or the
brifter otherwise malfunctions.

That doesn't happen often at all.

I have to laugh at th tech-grouches who care so much for "reliability"
that they ride around with worse stuff all the time. I'll take one
day every couple of years out of adjustment for 200 days of fun and
better performance. But then when I bike commuted it wasn't some sort
of outback adventure when a little chain rub would result in death or
losses of vast sums of money being helicoptered out of the woods....

Well, I can shift my bar-ends and my twist-grips without moving my hands
from the braking position. What could be better than that?

Being able to shift from the tops and the drops.