On Feb 15, 7:56 am, Tom Sherman <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:still just me said:On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:12:11 -0800 (PST), "Squat'n Dive"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:$60 plus sales tax buys you Goretex skiing gloves.
Beats any "winter" bicycling gloves.
Works well below 60F and higher than that if you are off a bicycle.
Quoted message said:Who wears gloves over 60f?
Er, people who want to protect their hands from abrasion?
Yes. I don't ever cycle without gloves. One reason is that I am
lightskinned and don't want the malignant melanoma flying around to
settle on the backs of my hands, the other is fear of abrasion.
My bikes are parked in a hallway next to a glove chest. However I have
nothing but contempt for the shortcomings of cycling-specific gloves.
If you want to see why, look at the miniscule sweatpad on most;
clearly fashion-driven rather than intended to be used. A real cyclist
uses a sweatband around his head and wrings it out at appropriate
intervals, I say.
For the spring and the autumn (American Fall, what a silly way to
describe a season to a cyclist!) I use Mikasa workman's gloves.
They're yellow and made tough with glass fibre, and have rubber
grippers on the palm. Expensive at sports stores, cheaper at hardware
stores, cheapest at garden centres. But in heavy rain the Mikasa get
wet through and they're not much chop in really cold weather. In the
high summer I wear lightweight cotton gardening gloves with rubber
pips on the palms to keep the sun off me and give sweaty palms grip on
the controls. The rubber pips are necessary on rotary gear controls
and desirable on brake levers.
I have a lot of experience of Goretex gear for hillwalkers but Goretex
gloves for bikers are a nonstarter, and for regular commuting simply a
stupid suggestion. A piece of Goretex clothing depends for its
waterproofing on the nap of the nylon. The Gore part of it is a
microlayer on the inside which lets perspiration out and partially
stops ingress of water. Goretex thus needs a lot of looking after,
constant washing and drying to keep up the nap, and spraying with
chemical wetproofing. The problem with Goretex gloves is worst of all,
because the necessary taping of the seams, the obvious place for
ingress of water, makes them either awkward or, if skimped for shape,
unsuited for purpose.
Instead in the winter if it is cold I wear thinsulate gloves and a
peaked knitted cap (bought in Milan, apparently very fashionable among
the shop girls and secretaries there) under my helmet. That keeps the
cold out.
If it is also wet, I wear wool-lined leather gloves. If it is really
sleeting and heading for freezing (very rarely below here), I wear
woolen "liners" and old-fashioned leather motorbike gauntlets. Thus
the three purposes of keeping warm, keeping the wind off and keeping
the water out are split between two sets of gloves, wool inside, thick
leather outside. That works.
What would probably work even better for the longrange foul-weather
commuter than heavy leather gauntlets, which might take a long time to
soak through but will take equally long to dry, is woolen gloves with
simple kitchen rubber gloves over them: wind cheating, dry and warm.
Quoted message said:Gloves are also useful in hot weather, as they provide a much better
grip than sweaty hand on things like twist-shifters and brake levers.
Precisely. See above. But "cycling" gloves are almost universally made
of plastic, hot and sweaty, and designed to pose in rather than for
real use. Cotton garden gloves with rubbers pips on the palms work
well and are comfortable to wear. If you want to be fashionable, get
ones with flowers printed on the cotton. Buy the cheapest, lightest
weight ones by the dozen at the pound shop (nickel and dime store) and
throw them away after a couple of weeks' use rather than washing them,
or use them for oily work on the bike.
Quoted message said:--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
Unfortunately not. Earlier this week I thought the spring was here and
I put in 45km in four days (my weekly average target over a year is
only 50 klicks a week) but today I dressed up and found a cycling
buddy sitting in her driveway, waiting for me, tears already running
down her cheeks. We called in at the library to get warm and then came
straight home; I was never even warm enough to activate the sender to
my heart rate monitor.
Something that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is that it is as
important to keep your head warm as your hands. Bell sells a winter
liner kit for their Metro helmet; it blocks off the vents and provides
earflaps. One might also note that the Metro and the similar Citi
helmets from Bell look better on riders of city bikes than pointyhead
racing helmets. I have the Citi in tasteful titanium grey (it was the
colour my pet mail order vendor, Chain Reaction, had on sale in my
size); if I commuted I would buy either helmet in traffic orange or
bright yellow for additional safety rather than save the few bucks on
a sale colour. The Citi can take the swing-mirror accessory -- most
useful -- but not the winter liner for which only the Metro has
fixings; the Metro also has a place to fit rear light that the Citi
misses out on.
Andre Jute
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