Re: This group is full of morons

Howard Kveck said:

It wasn't just that he mangled the fingers - the doctors had to cut some parts
away. They were going to send himto the hospital to have it done but he wanted it
done at the track so he could ride the second race.

Obviously Paulie has never been in a really hard crash.

Hmmmnnn... you mean like Beloki?

Or Abdoujaparov?

Nope, thankfully I've never been in one of those. But I did hurt my
middle finger once. Here, I'll hold it up for you... ;-))
-Paul

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Paul G. said:

Howard Kveck said:

It wasn't just that he mangled the fingers - the doctors had to cut some
parts
away. They were going to send himto the hospital to have it done but he
wanted it
done at the track so he could ride the second race.

Obviously Paulie has never been in a really hard crash.

Hmmmnnn... you mean like Beloki?

Or Abdoujaparov?

Nope, thankfully I've never been in one of those. But I did hurt my
middle finger once. Here, I'll hold it up for you... ;-))
-Paul

Obviously you've never been in a really hard crash.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

Quoted message said:

-Paul

Obviously you've never been in a really hard crash.

--
                              tanx,
                               Howard

Whatever happened to
                        Leon Trotsky?
                        He got an icepick
                        That made his ears burn.

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Like where your sliding down the road in a superman position, and
wondering when the motorcycle behind you is going to catch up, and
slam into you from behind as you leave a trail of flesh on the road,
or going airborne in your truck, hitting the trees about 12 feet up
and waking up to see grass coming through where the windshield used to
be while hanging upside down?
I think some of us have been in all those. I've never been able to
decide if the road rash/ground away parts and secondary hits, slamming
into a curb, on the bike/MC are worse than the seporated shoulder/
cracked ribs, blasted legs, etc...in the truck stuff. I'd go with the
truck though since that made the shoulder a chronic problem with the
displaced collarbone and torn up ligaments and muscles. I can imagine
the stories you, TK, and Carl could tell since I never did more MC
racing than local MC and brit Iron club stuff way back when.
Either way they really suck, and after you highside once you will
voluntarily lowside just to prevent that EVER happening again, no?
Bill C

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Paul G. said:

On Mar 7, 10:57 pm, Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It wasn't just that he mangled the fingers - the doctors had to cut some
parts
away. They were going to send himto the hospital to have it done but he
wanted it
done at the track so he could ride the second race.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Obviously Paulie has never been in a really hard crash.

Quoted message said:

Hmmmnnn... you mean like Beloki?

Or Abdoujaparov?

Quoted message said:

Nope, thankfully I've never been in one of those. But I did hurt my
middle finger once. Here, I'll hold it up for you... ;-))
-Paul

Obviously you've never been in a really hard crash.

There's no honor in crashing. That said, I've been in plenty of
crashes- if you ride enough miles, something is eventually going to
get you (usually your own screwup). I've broken a couple of bones,
been sewed up, and had my share of road rash. I have waited for an
ambulance with a dying friend, back when a bike helmet was some padded
straps. That wasn't some spectacular crash, but it certainly was
hard.
-Paul

Carl Sundquist said:

Quoted message said:

Despite what it may seem, I didn't delve too deeply into motorcycle racing
myself. After many years of bicycle racing, I couldn't cope well enough with
the thought of damaging my legs in a crash to push the motorcycles hard
enough to be really competitive. IOW, I was a [censored].

I hear ya Carl. Just getting smoked on the MX course by teenagers,
and watching the stuff they'd do made it REAL clear I wasn't gonna be
much good. My cousin and his kid still race at Southwick pretty often
and keep trying to get me to go. Not gonna happen, except to watch.
The changes in the road bikes, and the different skills, style, and
insanity mean I'm a spectator there too.
Got to ride both a current dragbike, and GSXR race bike a few years
ago. That was eye-opening, and meant a trip to Wally world for some
new drawers.
Bill C

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Carl Sundquist said:

"Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Howard Kveck said:

Quoted message said:

-Paul

Obviously you've never been in a really hard crash.

I think some of us have been in all those. I've never been able to
decide if the road rash/ground away parts and secondary hits, slamming
into a curb, on the bike/MC are worse than the seporated shoulder/
cracked ribs, blasted legs, etc...in the truck stuff. I'd go with the
truck though since that made the shoulder a chronic problem with the
displaced collarbone and torn up ligaments and muscles. I can imagine
the stories you, TK, and Carl could tell since I never did more MC
racing than local MC and brit Iron club stuff way back when.
Either way they really suck, and after you highside once you will
voluntarily lowside just to prevent that EVER happening again, no?
Bill C
----------------------

Despite what it may seem, I didn't delve too deeply into motorcycle racing
myself. After many years of bicycle racing, I couldn't cope well enough with
the thought of damaging my legs in a crash to push the motorcycles hard
enough to be really competitive. IOW, I was a [censored].

Dumbass lightweights: the guys who have crashed _really_ hard don't get
to tell stories about it after.

RIP Jimmy Adamo, RIP Joe Hailey.

Never raced motorcycles, crashed 'em a few times on the street, remember
the time I screamed like a girl inside my helmet as a truck U-turned
across my path on a 4-lane highway,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Carl Sundquist said:

Despite what it may seem, I didn't delve too deeply into motorcycle racing
myself. After many years of bicycle racing, I couldn't cope well enough with
the thought of damaging my legs in a crash to push the motorcycles hard
enough to be really competitive. IOW, I was a [censored].

Dumbass -

There's that, plus I heard that your handling skills were suspect.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Paul G. said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,
"Paul G." <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Mar 7, 10:57 pm, Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> It wasn't just that he mangled the fingers - the doctors had to cut
> some parts away. They were going to send himto the hospital to have it done
> but he wanted it done at the track so he could ride the second race.

Quoted message said:

> Obviously Paulie has never been in a really hard crash.

Quoted message said:

Hmmmnnn... you mean like Beloki?

Or Abdoujaparov?

Quoted message said:

Nope, thankfully I've never been in one of those. But I did hurt my
middle finger once. Here, I'll hold it up for you... ;-))
-Paul

Obviously you've never been in a really hard crash.

There's no honor in crashing. That said, I've been in plenty of
crashes- if you ride enough miles, something is eventually going to
get you (usually your own screwup). I've broken a couple of bones,
been sewed up, and had my share of road rash. I have waited for an
ambulance with a dying friend, back when a bike helmet was some padded
straps. That wasn't some spectacular crash, but it certainly was
hard.

You don't understand - I mean you've never been in a hard crash in a car.
Otherwise you wouldn't be sneering at the reponse to being in one that someone else
has. Do us a favor - go drive a car into a wall at 55 mph and tell us how it felt.
Then think about how much more unpleasant and painful it is at two, three or more
times that fast. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not (I actually think you're
simply unaware of this), drivers sometimes die in crashes at those speeds, roll cage
or not. The fact that Stewart was complaining of tingling and such is an indication
that he feared having spinal cord damage.

That you keep nattering on about this [censored] when you obviously know next to nothing
about it and the fact that you are doing it to get a reaction out of people (like an
eight year old might) is a good indication that you're a very silly person.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Carl Sundquist said:

Despite what it may seem, I didn't delve too deeply into motorcycle racing
myself. After many years of bicycle racing, I couldn't cope well enough
with
the thought of damaging my legs in a crash to push the motorcycles hard
enough to be really competitive. IOW, I was a [censored].

Dumbass -

There's that, plus I heard that your handling skills were suspect.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.
---------------

That was the irony: the motorcycle racing improved my bicycle handling
skills.

Howard Kveck said:

You don't understand - I mean you've never been in a hard crash in a
car.
Otherwise you wouldn't be sneering at the reponse to being in one that
someone else has. Do us a favor - go drive a car into a wall at 55 mph and
tell us how it felt.

You mean you want him to audition for the crash test dummies.

Ryan Cousineau said:

Dumbass lightweights: the guys who have crashed _really_ hard don't get
to tell stories about it after.

RIP Jimmy Adamo, RIP Joe Hailey.

Never raced motorcycles, crashed 'em a few times on the street, remember
the time I screamed like a girl inside my helmet as a truck U-turned
across my path on a 4-lane highway,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden]://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."- Hide quoted text -

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Unfortunately all of us who ride have lost people. My daughter's
riding now. Got her to the MSF courses, and eventually a racing school
too, but the mantra is "What is the stupidest thing possible that car/
person/whatever could do?!" Didn't go down, and was actually a
passenger in the one that scred me worst. We were just cruising down a
nice rural highway, nice dry sunny day, and some [censored] in a dump
truck runs a stop sign and pulls out right in front of us. Didn't
quite wet my pants, but made the same sounds you did. My buddy
actually hit the throttle, swerved, and shot us along side up the
breakdown lane until he could stop.
No way in hell he could've stopped.
Bill C

Howard Kveck said:

You don't understand - I mean you've never been in a hard crash in a car.
Otherwise you wouldn't be sneering at the reponse to being in one that someone else
has. Do us a favor - go drive a car into a wall at 55 mph and tell us how it felt.
Then think about how much more unpleasant and painful it is at two, three or more
times that fast. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not (I actually think you're
simply unaware of this), drivers sometimes die in crashes at those speeds, roll cage
or not.

That has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Maybe you
have an excuse- are you brain damaged from all those crashes you've
stupidly gotten yourself into? I'm never going to crash at NASCAR
speeds (and hopefully not at 55 mph either) but Stewart has, and I
posted his comments about it. He bruised his foot. BFD! Cyclists get
hurt far worse at far lower speeds- case in point, my friend who died
from a head injury incurred at less than 30 mph. This is common sense-
cyclists have very little protection due to the need for cooling, low
drag, and low weight. People in cars, and particularly in NASCAR cars,
have WAY more protection in a crash. There's also WAY more to it than
how fast you are going. It's a tribute to your dumbness that I even
have to waste time typing that as ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS
THAT.

Quoted message said:

That you keep nattering on about this [censored] when you obviously know next to nothing
about it and the fact that you are doing it to get a reaction out of people (like an
eight year old might) is a good indication that you're a very silly person.

As I just pointed out, you lack common sense. This is why I disparage
NASCAR- it's a low-brow "sport" for neanderthals with no class.
Cycling, on the other hand, is an elegant sport that requires
everything motor sports do PLUS physical ability and the mental
toughness to push yourself to the limit. Compare the skill and effort
it takes to floor the accelerator on a car with the skill and effort
it takes a cyclist to sprint. There's no comparison!

And that's my point. NASCAR drivers are wusses compared to bike
racers. That's common sense. If that gets a reaction out of you, it
simply proves that you lack common sense.
-Paul

Paul G. said:

It's a tribute to your dumbness that I even
have to waste time typing that as ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS
THAT.

ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE usually argues that the things they want to
believe are facts. History in general supports me on this as thoroughly
as the history of this newsgroup.

Your NASCAR safety model is OK, so far as it goes. It fails to explain
why John Blewett is dead. He's got company though, if that makes you
feel better. Should be a bunch of bruised feet, right?

ANYONE WHO'S NOT INTO SELF-DELUSION, on the other hand, might try to do
some sort of objective comparison of injuries between NASCAR and
cycling. They would probably conclude that objectivity in this matter is
tricky. Do you normalize the data based on the number of participants,
or deaths per mile or deaths per hour of racing or ...

Fred Fredburger said:

Paul G. said:

It's a tribute to your dumbness that I even
have to waste time typing that as ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS
THAT.

ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE usually argues that the things they want to
believe are facts. History in general supports me on this as thoroughly
as the history of this newsgroup.

That' s a nice, vague generality. If you want to dispute something I
posted, be specific. For example: "He bruised his foot. BFD! Cyclists
get
hurt far worse at far lower speeds." Care to dispute that? No? I
didn't think so. It's not just something I "want to believe".

Quoted message said:

Your NASCAR safety model is OK, so far as it goes. It fails to explain
why John Blewett is dead. He's got company though, if that makes you
feel better. Should be a bunch of bruised feet, right?

I never claimed that NASCAR racing was safe, or that no driver suffers
more than a bruised foot. It's common sense that neither one of those
things is true, so I don't see any need to explain why Joe Blow is
dead. Even golfers get killed on the course, usually by lightning.
Doesn't mean anyone with common sense thinks the hazards of golfing
are remotely comparable to those in bike racing. What I did say is
"NASCAR drivers are wusses compared to bike racers."

Quoted message said:

ANYONE WHO'S NOT INTO SELF-DELUSION, on the other hand, might try to do
some sort of objective comparison of injuries between NASCAR and
cycling. They would probably conclude that objectivity in this matter is
tricky. Do you normalize the data based on the number of participants,
or deaths per mile or deaths per hour of racing or ...

What's a typical speed in a bike race, 30 mph? No cyclist hitting a
wall at that speed is going to come out of it with nothing more than a
bruised foot. Not only that, but on a local descent I hit 52 mph, and
I'm old and cautious compared with when I was in my prime. Surely the
pros hit much higher speeds. A cyclist at that speed is taking far
more risk than a NASCAR driver at 200 mph or whatever their top speed
is. Those guys routinely come out of a crash without a scratch.

All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that common these
days. There's no need to "normalize data blah blah blah".
-Paul

Paul G. says;

Quoted message said:

All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that
common these days. There's no need to "normalize data blah
blah blah". -Paul

...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience of
normal man...

How many here believe Paul G. has the common sense to stop trying to
support his childish rant?

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

(Michael Baldwin) said:

Paul G. says;

Quoted message said:

All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that
common these days. There's no need to "normalize data blah
blah blah". -Paul

...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience of
normal man...

How many here believe Paul G. has the common sense to stop trying to
support his childish rant?

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

Using his logic cyclists are pussies and not athletes either compared
to Ironman tri types, and they suck next to decathletes. He could just
check the archives since we killed this a long time ago too.
Bill C

In article <[email hidden]>,

Fred Fredburger said:

Paul G. said:

It's a tribute to your dumbness that I even
have to waste time typing that as ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS
THAT.

ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE usually argues that the things they want to
believe are facts. History in general supports me on this as thoroughly
as the history of this newsgroup.

Your NASCAR safety model is OK, so far as it goes. It fails to explain
why John Blewett is dead. He's got company though, if that makes you
feel better. Should be a bunch of bruised feet, right?

ANYONE WHO'S NOT INTO SELF-DELUSION, on the other hand, might try to do
some sort of objective comparison of injuries between NASCAR and
cycling. They would probably conclude that objectivity in this matter is
tricky. Do you normalize the data based on the number of participants,
or deaths per mile or deaths per hour of racing or ...

#serious injuries /((# races) x (# racers))

--
Michael Press

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Michael Baldwin) said:

Paul G. says;

Quoted message said:

All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that
common these days. There's no need to "normalize data blah
blah blah". -Paul

...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience of
normal man...

How many here believe Paul G. has the common sense to stop trying to
support his childish rant?

That's it. No more childish rants on rbr. They are not seemly,
nor in good taste.

--
Michael Press

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (Michael Press)
In article <[email hidden]>,

(Michael Baldwin) said:

Paul G. says;
All that is common sense, which evidently isn't all that
common these days. There's no need to "normalize data blah
blah blah". -Paul
 ...common sense has been defined as the unquantified experience

of

Quoted message said:

normal man...
   How many here believe Paul G. has the common sense
to stop trying to support his childish rant?
That's it. No more childish rants on rbr. They are
not seemly, nor in good taste.
--
Michael Press

Michael,

If you're trying to paint me as some kind of anti-free speech nut it
won't stick.
The over- use of the phrase "common sense" is just one of my _very_
few pet peeves. Whenever the opportunity presents itself I enjoy
asking the user of the forementioned phrase "What _is_ common sense?"
Quite often, as defined, the "common sense" phrase user has no idea
as to "what is" common sense.
But to prove that I _do_ have "common sense", I've now learned to
never ask anyone, ever again, to define the phrase "common sense".
So I'll get out of your way now so that you may enjoy the expert
opinions of
Mr. Paul G. and continue your role as playground teacher.

just regards - Mike Baldwin