Tonight! Alternative Medicine on FRONTLINE

Mark Thorson said:

Thursday, November 6, 9 PM (in most places), the PBS series Frontline will examine "alternative
medicine". For more information, see this press release:

pbs.org2203.htmlOpen ↗

It was an interesting piece.

Points they made:

Hospitals offer "alternative" care as a marketing device, not because they really think it works.

Very little has been tested for effectiveness.

Orrin Hatch has a vested interest in keeping the supplement industry unregulated: he recieved more
money from them than any other politician. And their immunity from having to prove effectiveness
or even show that the label matches what's in the bottle, makes it a very low overhead, high
profit industry.

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like politicians invoking morality
and children - grab your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.

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Mark Thorson said:

Thursday, November 6, 9 PM (in most places), the PBS series Frontline will examine "alternative
medicine". For more information, see this press release:

pbs.org2203.htmlOpen ↗

It was an interesting piece.

Points they made:

Hospitals offer "alternative" care as a marketing device, not because they really think it works.

Very little has been tested for effectiveness.

Orrin Hatch has a vested interest in keeping the supplement industry unregulated: he recieved more
money from them than any other politician. And their immunity from having to prove effectiveness
or even show that the label matches what's in the bottle, makes it a very low overhead, high
profit industry.

Hatch was the prime sponsor of the bill that deregulated the industry in 1993. Time Magazine
reoprted, at that time, that he owned stock in the companies.

Imagine if pharmaceuticals were deregulated like that, under the same circumstances.

The Alties would be howling away.

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Mark Thorson said:

Thursday, November 6, 9 PM (in most places), the PBS series Frontline will examine "alternative
medicine". For more information, see this press release:

pbs.org2203.htmlOpen ↗

It was an interesting piece.

Points they made:

Hospitals offer "alternative" care as a marketing device, not because they really think it
works.

Very little has been tested for effectiveness.

Orrin Hatch has a vested interest in keeping the supplement industry unregulated: he recieved
more money from them than any other politician. And their immunity from having to prove
effectiveness or even show that the label matches what's in the bottle, makes it a very low
overhead, high profit industry.

Hatch was the prime sponsor of the bill that deregulated the industry in 1993. Time Magazine
reoprted, at that time, that he owned stock in the companies.

Imagine if pharmaceuticals were deregulated like that, under the same circumstances.

The Alties would be howling away.

You and I, if we were dishonest, could collect random weeds from the roadside, grind them up and put
them in capsules, put them in bottles labeled "Echinacea," and sell them at high prices. Many people
browsing the "natural" remedies at the drugstore or on the internet do not realize that our would-be
scheme is perfectly legal! If I sell food labeled "Strawberry Jam," it must, by law, contain
strawberries. But the "supplement" industry is exempt and unregulated, and no one is watching them
to prevent cheating. So, are all the supplement manufacturers righteously honest and careful never
to let the profit motive tempt them to deceive the public? Ha! That would be unnatural.

--Rich

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Subject: Re: Tonight! Alternative Medicine on FRONTLINE
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Date: 11/7/2003 3:50 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Mark Thorson said:

Thursday, November 6, 9 PM (in most places), the PBS series Frontline will examine "alternative
medicine". For more information, see this press release:

pbs.org2203.htmlOpen ↗

It was an interesting piece.

Points they made:

Hospitals offer "alternative" care as a marketing device, not because they really think it works.

i didn't see it, but I certainly don't take the word of an oorganized medicine member.

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Very little has been tested for effectiveness.

I wonder why?

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Orrin Hatch has a vested interest in keeping the supplement industry unregulated:

Well now. Double standards.

It is A OK for the CDC and FDA to have a vested interested in vaccines.

IOW's you are a biased organized brain washed medicine dishonest person.

Jan

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Orrin Hatch has a vested interest in keeping the supplement industry unregulated:

Well now. Double standards.

It is A OK for the CDC and FDA to have a vested interested in vaccines.

IOW's you are a biased organized brain washed medicine dishonest person.

Hatch profits from it. The CDA and FDA are not profiting.

next issue.

Rich Shewmaker said:

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>There is a lot of fraud in the industry at the moment, but things are changing. The FDA has a 10
>year plan to "clean up" the supplement industry. Changes will inculde:
>
>- Adverse Event Reporting

Being strenuously oppposed as we type.

That's true. Many supplement companies don't have the infrastructure to be able to do this. If
supplement companies are forced to do Adverse Event Reporting, this will really "separate the
wheat from the shaft" as they say. You'll know whose serious about product quality and
consumer safety.

Wayne Bryan

Let's evaluate what infrastructure will be necessary for a small supplement company to do adverse
event reporting.

One file folder to store any letters of complaint about adverse
events........................ $ .12

Copies of said letters (can be made at the local Seven-Eleven if the company has no copier..
$ .10 ea.

Priority Mail postage to send copies to FDA ............ $ 3.20

Time of secretary or other employee to copy and mail letters. (at a very generous $25/hr.-and a
generous three hours allowed for the task.) .......... $ 75.00

Total cost of "Infrastructure" .................................... $
78.42 per month

If that's going to bankrupt your company, you are on pretty shaky financial grounds, and might
consider some other line of business.

--Rich

I'm sure it takes more than just taking a letter and stuffing it in a file. You may have to get more
details (customers can often be vague or leave out important details). This will require having
someone with some medical knowledge on staff to quantify these reports.

Wayne Bryan mannapages.comjdiOpen ↗

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>There is a lot of fraud in the industry at the moment, but things are changing. The FDA has a 10
>year plan to "clean up" the supplement industry. Changes will inculde:
>
>- Adverse Event Reporting

Being strenuously oppposed as we type.

That's true. Many supplement companies don't have the infrastructure to be able to do this.

Then they should not be in the business.

I agree!

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If supplement companies are forced to do Adverse Event Reporting, this will really "separate the
wheat from the shaft" as they say.

(note, it is chaff).

Thanks.

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Good. If a company is so undercapitalized that they cannot afford to send off the leters of
complaint to the FDA, then they are probably cutting corners in the area of quality control, as
that does not reflect directly on the bottom line.better off that they be out of business.

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You'll know whose serious about product quality and consumer safety.

Pharmaceuticals, and not the MannaDreck people. (Dreck is a Yiddish word meaning "[censored]".) They are
just another of the MLM companies.

On the contrary. Mannatech (let's get the name right!) has been doing Adverse Event Reporting for
six years (not that it gets much use, but the system is in place) as well as following Good
Manufacturing Practices (GMP) - similar to pharmaceutical companies, so they welcome the new FDA
guidelines!

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Rich Shewmaker said:

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Marko Proberto wrote:

>"Wayne Bryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>
>
>>There is a lot of fraud in the industry at the moment, but things are changing. The FDA has a
>>10 year plan to "clean up" the supplement industry. Changes will inculde:
>>
>>- Adverse Event Reporting
>
>
>Being strenuously oppposed as we type.
>

That's true. Many supplement companies don't have the infrastructure to be able to do this. If
supplement companies are forced to do Adverse Event Reporting, this will really "separate the
wheat from the shaft" as they say. You'll know whose serious about product quality and consumer
safety.

Wayne Bryan

Let's evaluate what infrastructure will be necessary for a small

supplement

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company to do adverse event reporting.

One file folder to store any letters of complaint about adverse
events........................ $ .12

Copies of said letters (can be made at the local Seven-Eleven if the company has no copier.. $
.10 ea.

Priority Mail postage to send copies to FDA ............ $ 3.20

Time of secretary or other employee to copy and mail letters. (at a very generous $25/hr.-and a
generous three hours allowed for the task.) .......... $ 75.00

Total cost of "Infrastructure" .................................... $
78.42 per month

If that's going to bankrupt your company, you are on pretty shaky

financial

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grounds, and might consider some other line of business.

--Rich

I'm sure it takes more than just taking a letter and stuffing it in a file. You may have to get
more details (customers can often be vague or leave out important details). This will require
having someone with some medical knowledge on staff to quantify these reports.

Wayne Bryan

Have you actually READ SB722? Or are you just speculating as to what it requires?

If it turns out that when the system is in place it requires "someone with some medical knowledge to
quantify these reports," I'm sure that private companies will spring up to investigate adverse
experiences with dietary supplements and prepare the appropriate reports to the FDA. Hmmm. Perhaps I
could get into that business myself. Then, you send me the file folder every month, with my fee, and
I keep the FDA out of your hair.

Excuse me. I have to go write a business plan.

;o) Rich

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Marko Proberto wrote:

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Pharmaceuticals, and not the MannaDreck people. (Dreck is a Yiddish word meaning "[censored]".) They
are just another of the MLM companies.

On the contrary. Mannatech (let's get the name right!)

I did. Long expereince with their salescritters and false advertising. And, I mean LONG.

has been doing

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Adverse Event Reporting for six years (not that it gets much use, but the system is in place) as
well as following Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) - similar to pharmaceutical companies, so
they welcome the new FDA guidelines!

Mannadreckies are waging a campaign against FDA/FTC regulation of their sales pitches. I suggest
that you visit the FDA website and search on Mannatech and see how they claim that the regulation of
their sale spitches interferes witht heir free speech...free speech to misrepresent their products.

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Have you actually READ SB722? Or are you just speculating as to what it requires?

If it turns out that when the system is in place it requires "someone with some medical knowledge
to quantify these reports," I'm sure that private companies will spring up to investigate adverse
experiences with dietary supplements and prepare the appropriate reports to the FDA.

Hey, that sounds like a plan, a business plan. My company could get into that.

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Hmmm. Perhaps I could get into that business myself. Then, you send me the file folder

every

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month, with my fee, and I keep the FDA out of your hair.

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Excuse me. I have to go write a business plan.

It would take one good interview, with a person who can ask questions off a script to start off
with. A medsically trained person, e.g., a nurse, could review the interview and recontact the
informant and get clarifying information when need be.

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Marko Proberto wrote:

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Pharmaceuticals, and not the MannaDreck people. (Dreck is a Yiddish word meaning "[censored]".) They
are just another of the MLM companies.

On the contrary. Mannatech (let's get the name right!)

I did. Long expereince with their salescritters and false advertising. And, I mean LONG.

has been doing

Quoted message said:

Adverse Event Reporting for six years (not that it gets much use, but the system is in place) as
well as following Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) - similar to pharmaceutical companies, so
they welcome the new FDA guidelines!

Mannadreckies are waging a campaign against FDA/FTC regulation of their sales pitches. I suggest
that you visit the FDA website and search on Mannatech and see how they claim that the regulation
of their sale spitches interferes witht heir free speech...free speech to misrepresent their
products.

Searching the FDA web site for Mannatech finds references to 18 comments on Mannatech posted by
INDIVIDUALS, not the company, expressing their views on the DSHEA law and FDA regulations (as each
and every American has the right to do, don't you agree!). If you search for Monsanto (a drug
company), you'll find similar comments.

If you want Mannatech's views, go to their website. Here are some quotes: "Mannatech's comprehensive
quality system is based on the FDA proposed Good Manufacturing Practices for dietary supplements."

"Only manufacturers that meet the stringent requirements of the Good Manufacturing Practices
regulations, and that have been inspected by the FDA or certified by associations such as the
National Nutritional Foods Association (NNFA) or NSF International manufacture Mannatech products."

"Mannatech is a proud member of the Council for Responsible Nutrition and participates on the CRN's
Media Relationship Committee.

The Council for Responsible Nutrition(CRN), founded in 1973, is a Washington-based trade association
representing ingredient suppliers and manufacturers in the dietary supplement industry. CRN members
adhere to a strong code of ethics, comply with dosage limits and manufacture dietary supplements to
high quality standards under good manufacturing practices."

Doesn't sound like Mannatech waging a campaign against the FDA to me!

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Marko Proberto said:

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Marko Proberto wrote:

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>Pharmaceuticals, and not the MannaDreck people. (Dreck is a Yiddish

word

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>meaning "[censored]".) They are just another of the MLM companies.
>

On the contrary. Mannatech (let's get the name right!)

I did. Long expereince with their salescritters and false advertising.

And,

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I mean LONG.

has been doing

Quoted message said:

Adverse Event Reporting for six years (not that it gets much use, but the system is in place) as
well as following Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) - similar to pharmaceutical companies, so
they welcome the new FDA guidelines!

Mannadreckies are waging a campaign against FDA/FTC regulation of their sales pitches. I suggest
that you visit the FDA website and search on Mannatech and see how they claim that the
regulation of their sale

spitches

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interferes witht heir free speech...free speech to misrepresent their products.

Searching the FDA web site for Mannatech finds references to 18 comments on Mannatech posted by
INDIVIDUALS, not the company, expressing their views on the DSHEA law and FDA regulations (as each
and every American has the right to do, don't you agree!). If you search for Monsanto (a drug
company), you'll find similar comments.

If you want Mannatech's views, go to their website. Here are some quotes: "Mannatech's
comprehensive quality system is based on the FDA proposed Good Manufacturing Practices for dietary
supplements."

"Only manufacturers that meet the stringent requirements of the Good Manufacturing Practices
regulations, and that have been inspected by the FDA or certified by associations such as the
National Nutritional Foods Association (NNFA) or NSF International manufacture Mannatech
products."

"Mannatech is a proud member of the Council for Responsible Nutrition and participates on the
CRN's Media Relationship Committee.

The Council for Responsible Nutrition(CRN), founded in 1973, is a Washington-based trade
association representing ingredient suppliers and manufacturers in the dietary supplement
industry. CRN members adhere to a strong code of ethics, comply with dosage limits and manufacture
dietary supplements to high quality standards under good manufacturing practices."

Doesn't sound like Mannatech waging a campaign against the FDA to me!

It is most strange that there are none from the competition. If i was a whacko conspiracy theory
nutcase, I would say that those who sent in the letters are Mannadreck's hired surrogates.

Marko Proberto said:

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Marko Proberto said:

"Wayne Bryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

>Marko Proberto wrote:

>>Pharmaceuticals, and not the MannaDreck people. (Dreck is a Yiddish
>

word

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>>meaning "[censored]".) They are just another of the MLM companies.
>>
>
>On the contrary. Mannatech (let's get the name right!)

I did. Long expereince with their salescritters and false advertising.

And,

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I mean LONG.

has been doing

>Adverse Event Reporting for six years (not that it gets much use, but the system is in place) as
>well as following Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) - similar to pharmaceutical companies, so
>they welcome the new FDA guidelines!

Mannadreckies are waging a campaign against FDA/FTC regulation of their sales pitches. I suggest
that you visit the FDA website and search on Mannatech and see how they claim that the regulation
of their sale

spitches

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

interferes witht heir free speech...free speech to misrepresent their products.

Searching the FDA web site for Mannatech finds references to 18 comments on Mannatech posted by
INDIVIDUALS, not the company, expressing their views on the DSHEA law and FDA regulations (as each
and every American has the right to do, don't you agree!). If you search for Monsanto (a drug
company), you'll find similar comments.

If you want Mannatech's views, go to their website. Here are some quotes: "Mannatech's
comprehensive quality system is based on the FDA proposed Good Manufacturing Practices for dietary
supplements."

"Only manufacturers that meet the stringent requirements of the Good Manufacturing Practices
regulations, and that have been inspected by the FDA or certified by associations such as the
National Nutritional Foods Association (NNFA) or NSF International manufacture Mannatech
products."

"Mannatech is a proud member of the Council for Responsible Nutrition and participates on the
CRN's Media Relationship Committee.

The Council for Responsible Nutrition(CRN), founded in 1973, is a Washington-based trade
association representing ingredient suppliers and manufacturers in the dietary supplement
industry. CRN members adhere to a strong code of ethics, comply with dosage limits and manufacture
dietary supplements to high quality standards under good manufacturing practices."

Doesn't sound like Mannatech waging a campaign against the FDA to me!

It is most strange that there are none from the competition. If i was a whacko conspiracy theory
nutcase, I would say that those who sent in the letters are Mannadreck's hired surrogates.

Well, you obviously haven't done your homework. There are indeed similar letters from individuals of
other nutritional companies such as:

Natural Balance Great Earth Vitamins The Sunspot Natural Foods Vibrant Health Symbiotics, Inc. GNC
Franchisee USANA

As well as other individuals from corporations and organizations such as:
i.BioCeuticals LLC RainTree RLW Enterprises TakeCareOfYou Johns Hopkins Univeristy

In total, hundreds of such comments.

Wayne Bryan mannapages.comjdiOpen ↗

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Marko Proberto said:

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Marko Proberto wrote:

>"Wayne Bryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>
>
>>Marko Proberto wrote:
>
>
>>>Pharmaceuticals, and not the MannaDreck people. (Dreck is a Yiddish
>>

word

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>>>meaning "[censored]".) They are just another of the MLM companies.
>>>
>>
>>On the contrary. Mannatech (let's get the name right!)
>
>
>I did. Long expereince with their salescritters and false advertising.

And,

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>I mean LONG.
>
> has been doing
>
>
>>Adverse Event Reporting for six years (not that it gets much use, but the system is in place)
>>as well as following Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) - similar to pharmaceutical companies,
>>so they welcome the new FDA guidelines!
>
>
>Mannadreckies are waging a campaign against FDA/FTC regulation of their sales pitches. I
>suggest that you visit the FDA website and search on Mannatech and see how they claim that the
>regulation of their sale

spitches

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>interferes witht heir free speech...free speech to misrepresent their products.
>
>
>

Searching the FDA web site for Mannatech finds references to 18 comments on Mannatech posted by
INDIVIDUALS, not the company, expressing their views on the DSHEA law and FDA regulations (as
each and every American has the right to do, don't you agree!). If you search for Monsanto (a
drug company), you'll find similar comments.

If you want Mannatech's views, go to their website. Here are some

quotes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Mannatech's comprehensive quality system is based on the FDA proposed Good Manufacturing
Practices for dietary supplements."

"Only manufacturers that meet the stringent requirements of the Good Manufacturing Practices
regulations, and that have been inspected by the FDA or certified by associations such as the
National Nutritional Foods Association (NNFA) or NSF International manufacture Mannatech
products."

"Mannatech is a proud member of the Council for Responsible Nutrition and participates on the
CRN's Media Relationship Committee.

The Council for Responsible Nutrition(CRN), founded in 1973, is a Washington-based trade
association representing ingredient suppliers and manufacturers in the dietary supplement
industry. CRN members adhere to a strong code of ethics, comply with dosage limits and
manufacture dietary supplements to high quality standards under good manufacturing practices."

Doesn't sound like Mannatech waging a campaign against the FDA to me!

It is most strange that there are none from the competition. If i was a whacko conspiracy theory
nutcase, I would say that those who sent in the letters are Mannadreck's hired surrogates.

Well, you obviously haven't done your homework. There are indeed similar letters from individuals
of other nutritional companies such as:

Natural Balance Great Earth Vitamins The Sunspot Natural Foods Vibrant Health Symbiotics, Inc. GNC
Franchisee USANA

As well as other individuals from corporations and organizations such as:
i.BioCeuticals LLC RainTree RLW Enterprises TakeCareOfYou Johns Hopkins Univeristy

In total, hundreds of such comments.

Don't you think it is a terrible commentary on an industry that wants to promote their
products by lies?

Wayne Bryan said:

Marko Proberto said:

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Marko Proberto wrote:

>"Wayne Bryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
>
>
>>Marko Proberto wrote:
>
>
>>>Pharmaceuticals, and not the MannaDreck people. (Dreck is a Yiddish
>>

word

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>>>meaning "[censored]".) They are just another of the MLM companies.
>>>
>>
>>On the contrary. Mannatech (let's get the name right!)
>
>
>I did. Long expereince with their salescritters and false advertising.

And,

Quoted message said:

>I mean LONG.
>
> has been doing
>
>
>>Adverse Event Reporting for six years (not that it gets much use, but the system is in place)
>>as well as following Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) - similar to pharmaceutical companies,
>>so they welcome the new FDA guidelines!
>
>
>Mannadreckies are waging a campaign against FDA/FTC regulation of their sales pitches. I
>suggest that you visit the FDA website and search on Mannatech and see how they claim that the
>regulation of their sale

spitches

Quoted message said:

>interferes witht heir free speech...free speech to misrepresent their products.
>
>
>

Searching the FDA web site for Mannatech finds references to 18 comments on Mannatech posted by
INDIVIDUALS, not the company, expressing their views on the DSHEA law and FDA regulations (as
each and every American has the right to do, don't you agree!). If you search for Monsanto (a
drug company), you'll find similar comments.

If you want Mannatech's views, go to their website. Here are some quotes: "Mannatech's
comprehensive quality system is based on the FDA proposed Good Manufacturing Practices for
dietary supplements."

"Only manufacturers that meet the stringent requirements of the Good Manufacturing Practices
regulations, and that have been inspected by the FDA or certified by associations such as the
National Nutritional Foods Association (NNFA) or NSF International manufacture Mannatech
products."

"Mannatech is a proud member of the Council for Responsible Nutrition and participates on the
CRN's Media Relationship Committee.

The Council for Responsible Nutrition(CRN), founded in 1973, is a Washington-based trade
association representing ingredient suppliers and manufacturers in the dietary supplement
industry. CRN members adhere to a strong code of ethics, comply with dosage limits and
manufacture dietary supplements to high quality standards under good manufacturing practices."

Doesn't sound like Mannatech waging a campaign against the FDA to me!

It is most strange that there are none from the competition. If i was a whacko conspiracy theory
nutcase, I would say that those who sent in the letters are Mannadreck's hired surrogates.

Well, you obviously haven't done your homework. There are indeed similar letters from individuals
of other nutritional companies such as:

Natural Balance Great Earth Vitamins The Sunspot Natural Foods Vibrant Health Symbiotics, Inc. GNC
Franchisee USANA

As well as other individuals from corporations and organizations such as:
i.BioCeuticals LLC RainTree RLW Enterprises TakeCareOfYou Johns Hopkins Univeristy

In total, hundreds of such comments.

Wayne Bryan mannapages.comjdiOpen ↗

Alternative MED's ARE gaining ground against the "Estabishment" of DEATH and MAIMING inside the
confines of Hospitals and private "practice" ( have you ever wondered WHy it's called
"PRACTICE"...for the same reason Ladies were burned at the stake for "PRACTICING" Witch craft
which was an still is a darn sight better than Allopathism! (NINE-million ladies were BURNED at
the stake because they KNEW the power of GOD_MADE Herbals ("Goddess" in their case which torqued
the Early Catholic Church into atrocity after atrocity! The very IDEA that HALF of God's kingdom
could possibly be feminine was an atrocious IDEA to the QUEER POPES. and Priests The PLAGUE came
along and put a STOP to this insanity as well! Still The POPE is in ROME where it wont be long
now before it will end as written in Revelations. Take a gander sometime...TWO Popes to go..the
next will be murdered EARLY on and the BIGGEST BADDY of all (the Cardinal general) will become
the DRAGON as mentioned in Revelations. I'm an independent JEWISH BTW but HISTORY IS STILL
HISTORY no matter the beliefs. The last POPE will be swallowed by an earthquake to end all
quakes. ALL the 7 hills of ROME will sink! As they say in Japan: Shi Kata Nai desu!!! B-0b1

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>Marko Proberto wrote:
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>>"Wayne Bryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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>>>Marko Proberto wrote:
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>>>>Pharmaceuticals, and not the MannaDreck people. (Dreck is a Yiddish
>>>
word

>>>>meaning "[censored]".) They are just another of the MLM companies.
>>>>
>>>
>>>On the contrary. Mannatech (let's get the name right!)
>>
>>
>>I did. Long expereince with their salescritters and false advertising.
>
And,

>>I mean LONG.
>>
>>has been doing
>>
>>
>>
>>>Adverse Event Reporting for six years (not that it gets much use, but the system is in place)
>>>as well as following Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) - similar to pharmaceutical companies,
>>>so they welcome the new FDA guidelines!
>>
>>
>>Mannadreckies are waging a campaign against FDA/FTC regulation of their sales pitches. I
>>suggest that you visit the FDA website and search on Mannatech and see how they claim that the
>>regulation of their sale
>
spitches

>>interferes witht heir free speech...free speech to misrepresent their products.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Searching the FDA web site for Mannatech finds references to 18 comments on Mannatech posted by
>INDIVIDUALS, not the company, expressing their views on the DSHEA law and FDA regulations (as
>each and every American has the right to do, don't you agree!). If you search for Monsanto (a
>drug company), you'll find similar comments.
>
>If you want Mannatech's views, go to their website. Here are some

quotes:

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>"Mannatech's comprehensive quality system is based on the FDA proposed Good Manufacturing
>Practices for dietary supplements."
>
>"Only manufacturers that meet the stringent requirements of the Good Manufacturing Practices
>regulations, and that have been inspected by the FDA or certified by associations such as the
>National Nutritional Foods Association (NNFA) or NSF International manufacture Mannatech
>products."
>
>"Mannatech is a proud member of the Council for Responsible Nutrition and participates on the
>CRN's Media Relationship Committee.
>
>The Council for Responsible Nutrition(CRN), founded in 1973, is a Washington-based trade
>association representing ingredient suppliers and manufacturers in the dietary supplement
>industry. CRN members adhere to a strong code of ethics, comply with dosage limits and
>manufacture dietary supplements to high quality standards under good manufacturing practices."
>
>Doesn't sound like Mannatech waging a campaign against the FDA to me!

It is most strange that there are none from the competition. If i was a whacko conspiracy theory
nutcase, I would say that those who sent in the letters are Mannadreck's hired surrogates.

Well, you obviously haven't done your homework. There are indeed similar letters from individuals
of other nutritional companies such as:

Natural Balance Great Earth Vitamins The Sunspot Natural Foods Vibrant Health Symbiotics, Inc. GNC
Franchisee USANA

As well as other individuals from corporations and organizations such as:
i.BioCeuticals LLC RainTree RLW Enterprises TakeCareOfYou Johns Hopkins Univeristy

In total, hundreds of such comments.

Don't you think it is a terrible commentary on an industry that wants to promote their products
by lies?

I didn't say these comments were from companies, I said these comments are from individuals (who are
worried about losing their access to nutritional supplements). Its true that if these new FDA
guidelines were to come into law, a number of nutritional companies may find themselves out of
business (or at least seriously rethinking their product strategies). I, for one, think that this
would be a good thing. There are obviously some American's who don't agree with me.

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>>>>>Pharmaceuticals, and not the MannaDreck people. (Dreck is a Yiddish
>>>>
>word
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>
>>>>>meaning "[censored]".) They are just another of the MLM companies.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On the contrary. Mannatech (let's get the name right!)
>>>
>>>
>>>I did. Long expereince with their salescritters and false

advertising.

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>And,
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>
>>>I mean LONG.
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>>>has been doing
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>>>>Adverse Event Reporting for six years (not that it gets much use,

but

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>>>>the system is in place) as well as following Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) - similar to
>>>>pharmaceutical companies, so they

welcome

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>>>>the new FDA guidelines!
>>>
>>>
>>>Mannadreckies are waging a campaign against FDA/FTC regulation of

their

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>>>sales pitches. I suggest that you visit the FDA website and search on Mannatech and see how
>>>they claim that the regulation of their sale
>>
>spitches
>
>
>>>interferes witht heir free speech...free speech to misrepresent their products.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Searching the FDA web site for Mannatech finds references to 18

comments

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>>on Mannatech posted by INDIVIDUALS, not the company, expressing their views on the DSHEA law
>>and FDA regulations (as each and every American has the right to do, don't you agree!). If you
>>search for Monsanto (a drug company), you'll find similar comments.
>>
>>If you want Mannatech's views, go to their website. Here are some
>

quotes:

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>>"Mannatech's comprehensive quality system is based on the FDA proposed Good Manufacturing
>>Practices for dietary supplements."
>>
>>"Only manufacturers that meet the stringent requirements of the Good Manufacturing Practices
>>regulations, and that have been inspected by

the

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>>FDA or certified by associations such as the National Nutritional

Foods

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>>Association (NNFA) or NSF International manufacture Mannatech

products."

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>>
>>"Mannatech is a proud member of the Council for Responsible Nutrition and participates on the
>>CRN's Media Relationship Committee.
>>
>>The Council for Responsible Nutrition(CRN), founded in 1973, is a Washington-based trade
>>association representing ingredient suppliers

and

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>>manufacturers in the dietary supplement industry. CRN members adhere

to

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>>a strong code of ethics, comply with dosage limits and manufacture dietary supplements to high
>>quality standards under good manufacturing practices."
>>
>>Doesn't sound like Mannatech waging a campaign against the FDA to me!
>
>
>It is most strange that there are none from the competition. If i was a whacko conspiracy
>theory nutcase, I would say that those who sent in

the

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>letters are Mannadreck's hired surrogates.
>
>
>

Well, you obviously haven't done your homework. There are indeed similar letters from
individuals of other nutritional companies such as:

Natural Balance Great Earth Vitamins The Sunspot Natural Foods Vibrant Health Symbiotics, Inc.
GNC Franchisee USANA

As well as other individuals from corporations and organizations such

as:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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i.BioCeuticals LLC RainTree RLW Enterprises TakeCareOfYou Johns Hopkins Univeristy

In total, hundreds of such comments.

Don't you think it is a terrible commentary on an industry that wants to promote their products
by lies?

I didn't say these comments were from companies, I said these comments are from individuals (who
are worried about losing their access to nutritional supplements).

I say that these people are shills for the companies, most likely hired guns, and, are thus speaking
the company line.

Its true that if these new FDA guidelines

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were to come into law, a number of nutritional companies may find themselves out of business (or
at least seriously rethinking their product strategies).

Good, except that the tinking should be on the validity of their claims, not how to sell.

I, for one, think that this would be a good thing.

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There are obviously some American's who don't agree with me.

I would like to see them, if they want to make health claims, as regulated as pharmaceuticals.

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Its true that if these new FDA guidelines

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were to come into law, a number of nutritional companies may find themselves out of business (or
at least seriously rethinking their product strategies).

Good, except that the tinking should be on the validity of their claims,

not

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how to sell.

I, for one, think that this would be a good thing.

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There are obviously some American's who don't agree with me.

I would like to see them, if they want to make health claims, as regulated as pharmaceuticals.

Absolutely! All supplements should be required to adhere to labeling laws and liable to
penalties if the contents do not match the label. The supplement manufacturers should be
required to prove their products safe and effective for ALL health claims made for them. This
would put an end to meaningless advertising hype about "strengthening the immune system," or
"detox," or "restoring balance." The manufacturers should also be prohibited from making false
statements about foods no longer containing nutrients and other such scare tactics in their
promotional materials, without providing proof of their contentions. If that puts some
supplement companies out of business, so be it.

--Rich

Rich Shewmaker said:

... The manufacturers should also be prohibited from making false statements about foods no longer
containing nutrients ...

There have been reports done in several countries about the falling nutrient value of commercially
produced food. And it's not all coming from the supplement industry. Unless you believe it is a
global conspiracy, you have to at least acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that the food today is not as
nutrient-rich as it was a few decades ago. I've included links to 2 such news reports. Note that if
you acknowledge the possibility that the food today is not as nutrient-rich as it was a few decades
ago, then you must also acknowledge that supplementation may help fill the nutrient gap (oops, I've
said too much!)

It is true that MUCH MORE study needs to be done on this issue, but by who? It seems Food and Drug
administrations of these various countries are more interested in drug regulation and health claims
than in food's nutrient value. The food industry seems more interested in making foods that sell
well (consumers are more influenced by what they can see and smell). So who is going to spend the
money to research this issue?

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