out of competition test

Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
Dan Gregory <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis
a déclaré :

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http://www.velonews.com/article/73350
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/van-impe-tested-at-crematorium-15187

Simply abominable. It must end.
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Sandy

" La France est un pays extraordinaire, on sème des fonctionnaires...il
pousse des impôts "
- Clémenceau

Sandy said:

Dans le message denews:[email hidden],
Dan Gregory <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, etpuis
a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/article/73350
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/van-impe-tested-at-crematorium-...

Simply abominable.  It must end.
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Sandy

" La France est un pays extraordinaire, on sème des fonctionnaires...il
pousse des impôts "
- Clémenceau

If they had any balls there wouldn't be anyone riding any Wada
supervised race, starting right now, until this is dealt with. Europe
has good welfare, time to collect some while taking a stand.
Bill C

Sandy said:

Dans le message denews:[email hidden],
Dan Gregory <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, etpuis
a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/article/73350
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/van-impe-tested-at-crematorium-...

Simply abominable.  It must end.
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Sandy

" La France est un pays extraordinaire, on sème des fonctionnaires...il
pousse des impôts "
- Clémenceau

You just know that Duped, and the SU folks are wacking off to this
report. It's their wettest dream come true.
Bill C

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/article/73350
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/van-impe-tested-at-crematorium-15187

Welcome to another ugly reality of drugs in sports.
In complying, Kevin Van Impe showed he was a professional athlete.
In demanding, the un-named showed he was a professional drug tester.

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

Sandy said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/article/73350
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/van-impe-tested-at-crematorium-...

Simply abominable.  It must end.

That's as bad or maybe even worse than the time they
barged into Lance's home even before he had time to
read that morning's Austin American-Statesman
newspaper and demand an out of season sample.

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Bill C <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Sandy said:

Dans le message denews:[email hidden],
Dan Gregory <[email hidden]> a réfléchi,
et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/article/73350
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/van-impe-tested-at-crematorium-...

Simply abominable. It must end.
--
--
Sandy

" La France est un pays extraordinaire, on sème des
fonctionnaires...il pousse des impôts "
- Clémenceau

If they had any balls there wouldn't be anyone riding any Wada
supervised race, starting right now, until this is dealt with. Europe
has good welfare, time to collect some while taking a stand.
Bill C

OK - someone has to face reality. It's the riders' fault, collectively.

To think that they take all this, with the enormous wealth of European (not
Swiss) law available to them to stop this idiocy. Until individuals and
groups of them come into the light, demanding to be treated almost as
citizens, they will not have a hand in their own destiny. They even accept
the guilty until exonerated rules!! Perhaps they deserve what they get?
They need some heroes.
--
Sandy
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Mobilité et stabilité ne sont pas antinomiques :
un cycliste n'est stable sur sa bicyclette
qu'en avançant.
- Chirac, J (who must have read Einstein)

Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
Michael Baldwin <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/article/73350
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/van-impe-tested-at-crematorium-15187

Welcome to another ugly reality of drugs in sports.
In complying, Kevin Van Impe showed he was a professional athlete.

No - an abused victim of hypocrites.
There was NO reason to comply. None.
And this reality is temporary, as is everything.

(Michael Baldwin) said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/article/73350
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/van-impe-tested-at-crematorium-...

Welcome to another ugly reality of drugs in sports.
  In complying, Kevin Van Impe showed he was a professional athlete.
  In demanding, the un-named showed he was a professional drug tester.

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

Yep, just like volunteering to be a cheap prostitute who signs up to
be degraded, abused, and used for others profit.
Gotta love those pimp's enforcers for keeping them in line.
I don't know what your familes dead, and their dignity are worth but
it's a WHOLE lot more than this. No way in hell, no how!
I won't blame the collectors, but whoever sent them to that
collection, at that time, should be held accountable, and I do mean
abused at least as badly.
Better a gutless, degraded slave than stand up for the family though,
right?
Bill C

Quoted message said:

On Mar 15, 6:08 pm, [email hidden] (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
http://www.velonews.com/article/73350
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/van-impe-tested-at-crematorium-...
Welcome to another ugly reality of drugs in sports.  
In complying, Kevin Van Impe showed he was a professional
athlete.   In demanding, the un-named showed he was a
professional drug tester.
Best Regards - Mike Baldwin  
Yep, just like volunteering to be a cheap prostitute who
signs up to be degraded, abused, and used for others
profit.
 Gotta love those pimp's enforcers for keeping them in line.
I don't know what your familes dead, and their dignity
are worth but
it's a WHOLE lot more than this. No way in
hell, no how! I won't blame the collectors, but whoever
sent them to that
collection, at that time, should be held accountable, and I
do mean abused at least as badly.
 Better a gutless, degraded slave than stand up for the
family though, right?
 Bill C

Whoa, grab a handful of double floating disks TritonRider!
This sad story is a glowing review of the inabilities of those in
charge to accomplish even the simplist chores.
You or I would certainly have a contingency policy in place to
effectively manage this very situation and still accomplish the task at
hand.
Kevin Van Impe has surely been victimized by flawed system.
Everything happens for reason. Perhaps, this ugly incident will
serve to outrage enough people to demand better.
I'm waiting for McQuaid's comments, though I'm not holding my
breath.

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

"Michael Baldwin" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On Mar 15, 6:08 pm, [email hidden] (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
http://www.velonews.com/article/73350
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/van-impe-tested-at-crematorium-...
Welcome to another ugly reality of drugs in sports.
In complying, Kevin Van Impe showed he was a professional
athlete. In demanding, the un-named showed he was a
professional drug tester.
Best Regards - Mike Baldwin
Yep, just like volunteering to be a cheap prostitute who
signs up to be degraded, abused, and used for others
profit.
Gotta love those pimp's enforcers for keeping them in line.
I don't know what your familes dead, and their dignity
are worth but
it's a WHOLE lot more than this. No way in
hell, no how! I won't blame the collectors, but whoever
sent them to that
collection, at that time, should be held accountable, and I
do mean abused at least as badly.
Better a gutless, degraded slave than stand up for the
family though, right?
Bill C

Whoa, grab a handful of double floating disks TritonRider!
This sad story is a glowing review of the inabilities of those in
charge to accomplish even the simplist chores.
You or I would certainly have a contingency policy in place to
effectively manage this very situation and still accomplish the task at
hand.
Kevin Van Impe has surely been victimized by flawed system.
Everything happens for reason. Perhaps, this ugly incident will
serve to outrage enough people to demand better.
I'm waiting for McQuaid's comments, though I'm not holding my
breath.

I'm afraid it was not just an ugly incident. Poor Van Impe offered the
anti-doping authorities a perfect opportunity to demonstrate their power:
the showed that nobody is safe from them, not even a rider who will not ride
for several month (Van Impe is suffering from a knee injury) and just lost
his son.

Benjo

(Michael Baldwin) said:

 Whoa, grab a handful of double floating disks TritonRider!
  This sad story is a glowing review of the inabilities of those in
charge to accomplish even the simplist chores.
   You or I would certainly have a contingency policy in place to
effectively manage this very situation and still accomplish the task at
hand.
    Kevin Van Impe has surely been victimized by flawed system.  
    Everything happens for reason.  Perhaps, this ugly incident will
serve to outrage enough people to demand better.
    I'm waiting  for McQuaid's comments, though I'm not holding my
breath.

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin- Hide quoted text -

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We'll have to see what happens. IF, and this is a huge IF, Van Impe
went along with this to raise holy hell shortly, then he played it
right, because he DID do what he'd signed on to first. I never liked
that from the military, and it's a tenuous defense as we're finding
out, but the troops are taught to follow the order and raise hell
later, of course they aren't supposed to follow an illegal order
either, and the two are frequently taught together with no solution
being provided. You're usually screwed no matter what you do.
Probably the same here. I'm afraid they made the point they wanted
to, "We OWN you!".
Bill C
Another example why free people are libertarians, and militant.
Slaves like being governed, and nannied.

Bill C shared;

Quoted message said:

I'm afraid they made the point they wanted to, "We
OWN you!".
 Bill C
 Another example why free people are libertarians, and militant.

Slaves

Quoted message said:

like being governed, and nannied.

Bill, I am a libertarian. I'm often know to say "The reward of freedom
is responsibility." It's my way of "front loading" life. Kinda like
the ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure saying.
True, it's a shame that the current crop of cyclist are paying for the
sins of those who've gone before them. Hopefully aspiring juniors will
exercise more responsibility so that they and those who follow them will
enjoy the reward of freedom.

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

"Dan Gregory" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/article/73350
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/van-impe-tested-at-crematorium-15187

"The law is the law but you must take a human perspective," the Belgian news
agency quoted Anciaux as saying. "I can well understand the rider had other
things on his mind at the time of the test."

What _law_ is he referring to? Or is this a translation mix-up?

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

Sandy said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.velonews.com/article/73350
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/van-impe-tested-at-crematorium-...

Simply abominable.  It must end.

That's as bad or maybe even worse than the time they
barged into Lance's home even before he had time to
read that morning's Austin American-Statesman
newspaper and demand an out of season sample.

I thought the story in "Every Second Counts" talked about how they
showed up for an OOC as he was trying to pack his wife into the car as
she was going into labor. Did I mis-remember?

Also, I thought the "van Impe tested at crematorium" link was going to
end up being a spoof article about a posthumous test of Lucien.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered he was alive. And also, that the
article was serious.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Ryan Cousineau said:

Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

That's as bad or maybe even worse than the time they
barged into Lance's home even before he had time to
read that morning's Austin American-Statesman
newspaper and demand an out of season sample.

I thought the story in "Every Second Counts" talked about how they
showed up for an OOC as he was trying to pack his wife into the car as
she was going into labor. Did I mis-remember?

There was that also, I think Lance was more [censored] on the day
when they ruined his after breakfast coffee and newspaper
read.

Sandy said:

To think that they take all this, with the enormous wealth of European
(not Swiss) law available to them to stop this idiocy. Until individuals
and groups of them come into the light, demanding to be treated almost as
citizens, they will not have a hand in their own destiny. They even
accept the guilty until exonerated rules!! Perhaps they deserve what they
get? They need some heroes.

A cyclist version of Spartacus.

Michael Baldwin said:

I'm waiting for McQuaid's comments, though I'm not holding my
breath.

I thought it was McQuaid who was holding his breath.

Sandy said:

Simply abominable. It must end.
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Testing must end? Inconvenient, ill-timed, or even targeted testing
is nothing to get worked up over. Especially if he's positive.

Ryan Cousineau said:

Also, I thought the "van Impe tested at crematorium" link was going to end
up being a spoof article about a posthumous test of Lucien.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered he was alive. And also, that the
article was serious.

Me too. I thought Dan was on the Hebridean calendar and it was April
the 1st and WADA had a list of deceased riders to exhume and test
including Anquetil and Poulidor.