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  1. "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets are
    ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry."

    It's like a jungle out there for bike riders. And the attack comes
    from the top and from the bottom... Lions on SUVs*, given to
    zigzagging around and yapping away on the cell phone, threaten them
    from the top, and rats from the underworld steal their wheels if not
    their bike to support their crack addiction. And then you report it,
    and it goes into oblivion. So it is that cyclists must stay in
    constant alert for predators, like the monkeys of the jungle.

    "Have you ever wondered why sport utility vehicle drivers seem like
    such [censored]? Surely it's no coincidence that Terry McAuliffe,
    chairman of the Dem-ocratic National Committee, tours Washington in
    one of the biggest SUVs on the market, the Cadillac Escalade, or that
    Jesse Ventura loves the Lincoln Navigator. Well, according to New York
    Times reporter Keith Bradsher's new book, High and Mighty, the
    connection between the two isn't a coincidence. Unlike any other
    vehicle before it, the SUV is the car of choice for the nation's most
    self-centered people; and the bigger the SUV, the more of a jerk its
    driver is likely to be."

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0212.mencimer.html

    Life in the jungle ain't easy...

    RIDING A BIKE COSTS PEANUTS

    OK, since the lion (for whom “peanuts” is not important) refuses to
    listen to the monkey asking for bike facilities,* let's scrutinize the
    secrets ($$$) of the political jungle, where “democracy” is the word
    of choice…

    "The highest measure of democracy is neither the 'extent of freedom'
    nor the 'extent of equality', but rather the highest measure of
    participation" -A. d. Benoist

    Then I'd assume that 50% of the American public and 80% of the young
    who don't vote do not live in democracy. Or perhaps they see it as a
    waste of time --and money.

    “Remember the Golden Rule: Those with the Gold, Rule” (saying)

    “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy” (title of book)

    And this one...

    "Freedom is when the people can speak, democracy is when the
    government listens" -Alastair Farrugia

    Oh, that one was so good. So let's see: The monkey can cry all he
    wants but he will be ignored. Tough life that of the monkey.

    Other quotes...

    "Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is
    silence about truth" -Aldous Huxley

    That one was deep. We all live in the lie (notice the word “lie” in li-
    on). And look at this one...

    "The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they
    don't have any" -Alice Walker

    And this would threaten the order in the jungle...

    "Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the
    rulers" -Aristotle

    And here they must be talking about the lion...

    "The wild, cruel beast is not behind the bars of the cage. He is in
    front of it" -Axel Munthe

    Many more quotes to entertain yourself are found at the link below. I
    hope you use them responsibly and don't start a revolution.

    http://www.democracy.ru/english/quotes.php

    *Riding a bike is good for the environment, great for peace, and
    excellent for your health. We need facilities, though, like BIKE LANES
    to be safe.

    WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
    (T-shirts to help you survive in the jungle, no kidding)

    http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

  2. Gunner said:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:19:27 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana

    Quoted message said:

    So it is that cyclists must stay in
    constant alert for predators, like the monkeys of the jungle.

    Monkeys are well known for throwing [censored] at passers by and making lots
    of noise.

    Perhaps that explains some of the posts from bike riders?

    Perhaps yall may now have some grasp of the thinking of a longtailed
    cat, in a room full of rocking chairs?

    Gunner

    The monkeys --sorry the cyclists-- you are talking about are the ones
    in lycra. They are much noiser than the commuter type. And don't eat
    peanuts. 😉

  3. Gunner said:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:19:27 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana

    Quoted message said:

    *Riding a bike is good for the environment, great for peace, and
    excellent for your health. We need facilities, though, like BIKE LANES
    to be safe.

    Yes Indeed.

    Btw..we managed to successfully avoid the democracy trap here in the
    US, fortunately the Founders realized how dangerous a democracy is,
    and gave us a constitutional republic.

    I just have a problem with the language "by the people and for the
    people..."

    I wonder what the type of democracy they are exporting to Iraq... ???

  4. On Apr 25, 10:15 am, ComandanteBanana <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets


    are

    Quoted message said:

    ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry."

    Bicyclists aren't under attack from all directions. Frankly, no one
    cares enough to care, let alone attack them. But they are getting a
    bad reputation from your posts.

  5. "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    On Apr 25, 10:15 am, ComandanteBanana <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets


    are

    Quoted message said:

    ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry."

    Quoted message said:

    Bicyclists aren't under attack from all directions. Frankly, no one


    cares enough to care, let alone attack them. But they are getting a

    Quoted message said:

    bad reputation from your posts.

    He also seems to do everything he can to be killed by a car just because he
    thinks he can mix with car traffic and "own the road no matter how much
    slower he is or how much he tries to cause a car accident to prove his
    point. He is obviously the attacker, not the other people.

    His comments on being attacked are pure fantasy in his mind, not reality.
    You are correct, nobody cares enough to care. They are probably trying to
    not hit him as he does things that could put them in an accident hitting
    another car.

    I know I sometimes have to drive in a way that increases my danger in order
    to avoid hitting bike riders on narrow mountain roads in the Bay Area.

  6. Jack May said:

    "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...
    On Apr 25, 10:15 am, ComandanteBanana <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets


    are

    Quoted message said:

    ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry."

    Quoted message said:

    Bicyclists aren't under attack from all directions.  Frankly, no one

    cares enough to care, let alone attack them.  But they are getting a

    Quoted message said:

    bad reputation from your posts.

    He also seems to do everything he can to be killed by a car just because he
    thinks he can mix with car traffic and "own the road  no matter how much
    slower he is or how much he tries to cause a car accident to prove his
    point.  He is obviously the attacker, not the other people.

    His comments on being attacked are pure fantasy in his mind, not reality.
    You are correct, nobody cares enough to care.   They are probably tryingto
    not hit him as he does things that could put them in an accident hitting
    another car.

    I know I sometimes have to drive in a way that increases my danger in order
    to avoid hitting bike riders on narrow mountain roads in the Bay Area.

    I think his mindset comes from a post a week or so ago where he
    mentioned a situation re his mother where he was in a car with her
    when she tried to stop someone from running a toll and the person
    brandished a gun at them -- or something like that. It may have
    tarnished him for life and given him a twisted perspective on things.

    It actually makes me feel bad for him.

  7. "Jack May" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    On Apr 25, 10:15 am, ComandanteBanana <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets


    are

    Quoted message said:

    ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry."

    Quoted message said:

    Bicyclists aren't under attack from all directions. Frankly, no one


    cares enough to care, let alone attack them. But they are getting a

    Quoted message said:

    bad reputation from your posts.

    He also seems to do everything he can to be killed by a car just because
    he thinks he can mix with car traffic and "own the road no matter how
    much slower he is or how much he tries to cause a car accident to prove
    his point. He is obviously the attacker, not the other people.

    His comments on being attacked are pure fantasy in his mind, not reality.
    You are correct, nobody cares enough to care.

    Then why do you guys spend so much time responding to him?

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Amy Blankenship said:
    Quoted message said:

    His comments on being attacked are pure fantasy in his mind, not reality.
    You are correct, nobody cares enough to care.

    Then why do you guys spend so much time responding to him?

    There are people in the world who are on the verge of
    making the decision to try transportational bicycling.
    For some folks it might not work out, but for many
    it would.

    Those many for whom transportational cycling would work
    do not need Chicken Little scaring them off before they
    even give the idea a fair chance. So every time Don
    QuickOats comes up with his anti-cycling razmatazz, he
    needs to be refuted. I know it looks idealogical, but
    it just isn't. /He's/ the screwy, wrong-minded idealogue,
    and that needs to be pointed-out to incipient transportational
    bicyclists. The fact is, not getting run-over is pretty easy
    for anyone with half-decent eyesight.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    NOTHING is safe from me.
    I'm really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  9. "Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Amy Blankenship said:
    Quoted message said:

    His comments on being attacked are pure fantasy in his mind, not
    reality.
    You are correct, nobody cares enough to care.

    Then why do you guys spend so much time responding to him?

    There are people in the world who are on the verge of
    making the decision to try transportational bicycling.
    For some folks it might not work out, but for many
    it would.

    Those many for whom transportational cycling would work
    do not need Chicken Little scaring them off before they
    even give the idea a fair chance. So every time Don
    QuickOats comes up with his anti-cycling razmatazz, he
    needs to be refuted. I know it looks idealogical, but
    it just isn't. /He's/ the screwy, wrong-minded idealogue,
    and that needs to be pointed-out to incipient transportational
    bicyclists. The fact is, not getting run-over is pretty easy
    for anyone with half-decent eyesight.

    Yeah, but I have a hard time thinking Pat or Jack are motivated by that
    sentiment.

  10. I'm going to paraphrase from this Ralph Nader email I got, "Which Side
    Are You On?"... the Lion or the Monkey, which is to say the SUVs or
    the bicycles? By the way, is Nader for the cyclists? I don't think any
    candidate is. Monkeys don't count that much. But I remember Ralph used
    to be concerned about car safety... Well perhaps he's really for the
    monkeys...

    Which Side Are You On?
    If you believe that the Democratic Party is the answer to what ails us
    as a nation, then please, be our guest -- give them some more money.

    If on the other hand, you believe that the Democratic Party is part of
    the system of corporate control and domination, then there is a clear
    choice:

    Support Nader/Gonzalez now.

    Earlier this month, we wrote that it was "shameful" that progressives
    like Medea Benjamin were supporting the Democratic Party over Nader/
    Gonzalez.

    Medea posted a response on one of our blogs, saying she was offended
    by the accusation, and said we should "respect" each other's choices.

    Medea used the word "respect" three times in one paragraph.

    One person who was on the receiving end of Medea's "respect" in 2004
    was Peter Camejo, Ralph's running mate in 2004.

    We asked Peter to respond to Medea.

    Please read Peter's essay carefully.

    Pass it around.

    And let us know what you think.

    If you agree with Peter -- then please help fund our growing
    alternative voice to the corporate two-party duopoly.

    Have a safe weekend.

    Onward.

    The Nader Team

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Capitulation

    By Peter Camejo

    I was stunned to see Medea Benjamin complaining to the Nader/Gonzalez
    campaign because the campaign had used the word "shameful" in
    referring to "progressive" Democrats who had supported the pro-war,
    pro-Patriot Act, anti-labor, and anti-environmental candidate John
    Kerry in 2004.

    I have great personal admiration for Medea Benjamin for many of the
    stands and actions she has taken through the years. But her
    capitulation to the Democratic Party has been truly disappointing.

    Medea Benjamin eventually joined the "progressive" Democrats and has
    become an active supporter of the Democratic Party.

    Without the Democratic Party's support, Bush's war policies could
    never have been implemented. The Democrats voted in Congress a
    resolution that included the phrase, "unequivocal support for George
    Bush's conduct of the war in Iraq."

    They have voted for all the funding requests for the war in Iraq. In
    2005 at the State of Union address, the entire Congress, with few if
    any exceptions, gave George Bush 39 standing ovations in one hour.
    They rose to their feet and applauded every time Bush used the word
    Iraq even before he finished his sentence.

    Of course this is nothing new for the Democratic Party. This is the
    Party of human slavery, of the Jim Crow of 5,000 lynchings, of
    fighting the right of women to vote, and of imprisoning Japanese
    Americans in camps.

    This is the Party that launched a war of mass murder killing two
    million Vietnamese as the "peace" party in the 1960s. It is the party
    that has supported the destruction of the trade unions, lowered taxes
    for the rich -- while raising them for the poor. The Democrats voted
    98% in favor of the Patriot Act in the Senate without reading it.

    Earlier, 100 percent of Senate Democrats voted to confirm the right-
    winger Antonin Scalia for the Supreme Court.

    In 2004 the Democrats ran John Kerry for President -- the same John
    Kerry who said he could implement Bush's war policies better than Bush
    especially in increasing militarization in America and promoting the
    war in Iraq.

    What confuses so many progressively inclined people is they do not
    really understand that our society is controlled by the corporate
    power of concentrated money.

    The corporations and the super rich -- through their domination of the
    government, the media, and educational institutions and of course the
    two parties -- run our society.

    The totalitarian rule of money is a self correcting mechanism. It has
    flexibility which is part of why it is so powerful.

    The two-party system allows the appearance of differences and
    adjustments to public sentiment. It has become the single most
    successful political form for the rule of a minority over a majority
    in the history of the world. How this system of control developed,
    consolidated, and has survived through the years will be studied for
    years to come.

    The front line in this denial of democracy is the Democratic Party
    because it is the instrument that controls, channels and co-opts the
    forces that otherwise could challenge the rule of concentrated money.

    It is precisely the "differences" between the two major parties that
    makes the system effective.

    And the front line in the battle for the control of money over people
    are the so-called "progressive" Democrats who talk the talk. They
    confuse people, prevent free elections, and fight hardest to undermine
    a Nader/Camejo candidacy or a Nader/Gonzalez candidacy or any other
    candidacy whose voice for democracy begins to be heard.

    They may think they are helping move the country toward a more
    progressive agenda. But in fact, they are deepening the illusion that
    answers can be found through the Democratic Party. In turn, this
    reinforces the two-party domination over the United States, making
    possible the horrendous policies we have seen over the last eight
    years.

    You -- Medea Benjamin -- are now one of those on the front lines
    defending the two-party domination, and as a direct result, defending
    the rule of concentrated money and other illegalities and injustices
    of our present system.

    You can't have it both ways.

    In 2004, the Democrats went further than just supporting Bush's
    policies.

    They led a massive campaign to silence the only well known candidacy
    that opposed Bush's policies. They did this by manipulation.

    They sent representatives into the Nader/Camejo campaign to disrupt
    it, to seek to prevent his supporters from getting Nader/Camejo on the
    ballot. They actively sought to prevent those who disagreed -- and
    favored peace, social justice and democracy -- to have a voice.

    They harassed people trying to petition for Nader/Camejo. They brought
    at one time over twenty lawsuits to try to block Nader/Camejo's
    campaign from state ballots. They spent tens of millions of dollars in
    their battle against free elections and against voter choice.

    Even today they are trying to "fine" Nader/Camejo tens of thousands of
    dollars for merely seeking ballot access in the State of
    Pennsylvania.

    I personally had to pay them $20,000 not to have a lien put on my home
    for having been Ralph Nader's Vice Presidential candidate.

    The Democrats, especially the people you, Media Benjamin, call
    "progressives," were the most vicious in their endless diatribes
    against Nader calling him "crazy," "ego maniacal," "stupid," and
    "agent of Bush."

    Media Benjamin you are now shocked that the Nader/Gonzalez campaign
    used the term "shameful."

    Where was Medea Benjamin during the Democrats hate campaign against
    democracy in 2004? You were campaigning for a pro-war candidate and
    supporting the vicious anti-Nader/Camejo campaign.

    Medea Benjamin in her effort to support John Kerry helped successfully
    to manipulate within the Green Party support for David Cobb, the anti-
    Nader pro-voting Democrat candidate who favored US occupation of Iraq
    in two public debates with me.

    She worked to get the Green Party convention to prevent Nader/Camejo
    from being endorsed after Nader/Camejo representatives won a number of
    Green Party primaries and state conventions, including California.

    During the 2004 campaign, there was a letter on David Cobb's web site
    titled "Vote Kerry and Cobb." And it was signed by Medea Benjamin,
    among others.

    If you are going to seek fairness and oppose "trashing," why don't you
    start with all your friends whose extreme public attacks on Nader/
    Camejo you never protested?

    Why not promote among your Democratic friends the publishing of ads
    apologizing to Nader and the American people for the twenty-four
    harassing lawsuits in twelve weeks filed by Republican corporate law
    firms like Reed Smith and Kirkland & Ellis and abuses they committed
    in 2004 against the rights of the American people to have free
    elections and voter choice?

    Yes Medea Benjamin you have the right -- like so many before you -- to
    seek to reform the Democratic Party. The truth is, however, that what
    you actually achieve is to give cover for this pro-war anti-labor
    political organization. Millions upon millions have tried to reform
    the Democratic Party for decades.

    The AFL-CIO went in to reform the Democrats with millions upon
    millions of supporters only to be reduced from 33% of the work force
    to 12% -- a submissively controlled force ineffective in defending
    even their own existence -- unable to even get the Democratic Party to
    repeal the notorious anti-labor Taft Hartley law of 1947.

    The generation of progressive "leaders" that capitulate in 2004 will
    have to be replaced by a new generation that will stand by principles
    like the early abolitionists of the Liberty Party, the Populists who
    led the uprising of 1890s, the Debsian socialists and Women's Party
    activists of the early twentieth century -- and yes like Ralph Nader
    who refuses to capitulate to a Democratic Party that has and is
    selling out the American people.

    Making personal attacks on Ralph Nader is starting to get a little
    old. Maybe it's time for your Democratic Party friends to end their
    political bigotry against Nader/Gonzalez.

    Yes we should all work together on issues we agree on. Yes we should
    try to get people regardless of what party they are registered with to
    support specific objectives.

    That is how the most massive peace demonstrations ever were organized
    in the 1960s and 1970s or the millions who marched together for
    immigrant rights just a couple of years ago. Of course none of those
    actions were ever supported by your Party, the Democrats.

    The ranks of the Democratic Party are desperately seeking change. In
    time they will see that the Democratic Party cannot be and will not be
    the agency through which peace, social justice and saving our
    environment will come. On this issue you and I remain divided. On the
    debate about this issue Nader and those supporting him have been
    saints in their language in comparison to your friends in the
    Democratic Party.

    The Nader/Gonzalez campaign has nothing to apologize for. Nader has
    been one of the most beautiful examples of showing respect for all
    including those who disagree with him.

    It is time for you and your Democratic Party associates to show
    respect and apologize to Ralph Nader.

  11. ComandanteBanana said:

    I'm going to paraphrase from this Ralph Nader email I got, "Which Side
    Are You On?"... the Lion or the Monkey, which is to say the SUVs or
    the bicycles? By the way, is Nader for the cyclists? I don't think any
    candidate is. Monkeys don't count that much. But I remember Ralph used
    to be concerned about car safety... Well perhaps he's really for the
    monkeys...

    Which Side Are You On?
    If you believe that the Democratic Party is the answer to what ails us
    as a nation,

    Who's this "US" paleface?

  12. Marc said:
    ComandanteBanana said:

    I'm going to paraphrase from this Ralph Nader email I got, "Which Side
    Are You On?"... the Lion or the Monkey, which is to say the SUVs or
    the bicycles? By the way, is Nader for the cyclists? I don't think any
    candidate is. Monkeys don't count that much. But I remember Ralph used
    to be concerned about car safety... Well perhaps he's really for the
    monkeys...

    Quoted message said:

    Which Side Are You On?
    If you believe that the Democratic Party is the answer to what ails us
    as a nation,

    Who's this "US" paleface?

    We, as in "WE THE PEOPLE..."

    Are we protected by the Constittution in any way?

  13. Have you ever tried to figure out what's in a horn?

    "Get a superloud bike horn, and honk back!"

    I like this. But won't they take it as a personal insult too?

    I think their blowing the horn is similar to the lion's roar. They
    expect you to fold and go.

    Imagine what the lion would do if you roar back to him!

  14. And it ain't because I'm picking on NYC because the same thing is
    happening in my city or any other American city. But bad reputations
    are hard to get rid of...

    'Riding in NYC is pretty scary. Many people are driving without a
    license and/or without insurance, and that's not even touching on all
    the trucks and vans speeding along making deliveries and not really
    giving a damn about who's around them. Most drivers are extremely
    aggressive and subconsciously, they drive in attack mode. They will
    only think of the consequences after they hit you, and even though you
    may have been "right" , you're already in the hospital or dead.
    I learned my lesson by seeing too many accidents already.........I
    simply assume that most drivers are going to try and speed through a
    fresh red light or that a car door will swing open without someone
    looking to see if anything is coming.'

    http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=4088

  15. Gunner Asch said:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:36:43 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana

    Quoted message said:
    Gunner said:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:19:27 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >So it is that cyclists must stay in
    >constant alert for predators, like the monkeys of the jungle.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Monkeys are well known for throwing [censored] at passers by and making lots
    of noise.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps that explains some of the posts from bike riders?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps yall may now have some grasp of the thinking of a longtailed
    cat, in a room full of rocking chairs?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Gunner

    Quoted message said:

    The monkeys --sorry the cyclists-- you are talking about are the ones
    in lycra. They are much noiser than the commuter type. And don't eat
    peanuts. 😉

    True indeed Most commuter types are interested in surviving to make
    it home, or to work.

    Its the lycra'd "purists" and endorphine addicts that are the biggest
    problem. Those and the homeless drunks/druggies that have to resort
    to a second hand store Huffy to make their rounds as they lost their
    DLs years ago.

    Hum...sometimes its hard to tell them apart, but for the clothing.

    I'm in another forum (Dahon foldables) where, I assure you, their
    members are civilized people.

    But the Huffy type ride mostly the sidewalks and back alleys. It's the
    lycra types that give a bad name to cycling.

  16. Lycra causes brain damage.

    Stay home and hide from cars.

  17. I'm on the side of the lions.

    Monkeys EAT bananas, leaving you none to command.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

  18. Who needs safety statistics? One person on the Dahon forum fears
    riding in New York City, so it must be the most dangerous place on the
    planet to ride a bike. Be afraid.

    We have nothing to fear but the lack of fear itself.

  19. ComandanteBanana said:

    But the Huffy type ride mostly the sidewalks and back alleys. It's the
    lycra types that give a bad name to cycling.

    You're an idiot.

    One day, I ride in jeans. Another, I ride in Spandex. Another,
    mountain bike baggies.

  20. 345 Employee (B A R R Y) said:

    On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:08:03 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana

    Quoted message said:

    But the Huffy type ride mostly the sidewalks and back alleys. It's the
    lycra types that give a bad name to cycling.

    You're an idiot.

    One day, I ride in jeans.  Another, I ride in Spandex.  Another,
    mountain bike baggies.

    Why, trying not to be associated with the lycra type? They are all
    right, but they don't speak for the commuters or even for the hobos
    who ride on the sidewalks.

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