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  1. I've just had a quick scan through the DoT's sustainable future for
    cycling document published in January:

    http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/sustainable/cycling/cyclingfuture.pdf

    It's good to see the increase in interest in cycling and the associated
    benefits it brings, but two issues stand out for me: (1) I don't see any
    mention of changing the current motor vehicle training & testing to
    increase awareness of cyclists, and other users, rights and
    responsibilities, and (2) there's not a single picture of a cyclist
    without a helmet - is it actually illegal to cycle anywhere without one
    these days (I'm being ironic...).

    Graham

  2. "Slark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I've just had a quick scan through the DoT's sustainable future for
    cycling document published in January:

    http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/sustainable/cycling/cyclingfuture.pdf

    It's good to see the increase in interest in cycling and the associated
    benefits it brings, but two issues stand out for me: (1) I don't see any
    mention of changing the current motor vehicle training & testing to
    increase awareness of cyclists, and other users, rights and
    responsibilities, and (2) there's not a single picture of a cyclist
    without a helmet - is it actually illegal to cycle anywhere without one
    these days (I'm being ironic...).

    From what I remember of when I learned, (1) is already in the highway code.
    2 is a pain in the neck though.

  3. Doki said:


    "Slark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I've just had a quick scan through the DoT's sustainable future for
    cycling document published in January:

    http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/sustainable/cycling/cyclingfuture.pdf

    It's good to see the increase in interest in cycling and the
    associated benefits it brings, but two issues stand out for me: (1) I
    don't see any mention of changing the current motor vehicle training &
    testing to increase awareness of cyclists, and other users, rights and
    responsibilities, and (2) there's not a single picture of a cyclist
    without a helmet - is it actually illegal to cycle anywhere without
    one these days (I'm being ironic...).

    From what I remember of when I learned, (1) is already in the highway
    code. 2 is a pain in the neck though.

    Thanks Doki - forgive my ignorance, but does the HC talk about primary,
    secondary positions for cyclists - i.e. make it clear why we do what we
    have to do?

    Graham

  4. "Slark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Doki said:


    "Slark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I've just had a quick scan through the DoT's sustainable future for
    cycling document published in January:

    http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/sustainable/cycling/cyclingfuture.pdf

    It's good to see the increase in interest in cycling and the associated
    benefits it brings, but two issues stand out for me: (1) I don't see any
    mention of changing the current motor vehicle training & testing to
    increase awareness of cyclists, and other users, rights and
    responsibilities, and (2) there's not a single picture of a cyclist
    without a helmet - is it actually illegal to cycle anywhere without one
    these days (I'm being ironic...).

    From what I remember of when I learned, (1) is already in the highway
    code. 2 is a pain in the neck though.

    Thanks Doki - forgive my ignorance, but does the HC talk about primary,
    secondary positions for cyclists - i.e. make it clear why we do what we
    have to do?

    I don't think it goes into that much detail. More of "give cyclists room and
    don't drive like a [censored]" type of thing. The Highway code is online...

  5. Doki said:


    "Slark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Doki said:


    "Slark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > I've just had a quick scan through the DoT's sustainable future for
    > cycling document published in January:
    >
    > http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/sustainable/cycling/cyclingfuture.pdf
    >
    > It's good to see the increase in interest in cycling and the associated
    > benefits it brings, but two issues stand out for me: (1) I don't see any
    > mention of changing the current motor vehicle training & testing to
    > increase awareness of cyclists, and other users, rights and
    > responsibilities, and (2) there's not a single picture of a cyclist
    > without a helmet - is it actually illegal to cycle anywhere without one
    > these days (I'm being ironic...).

    From what I remember of when I learned, (1) is already in the highway
    code. 2 is a pain in the neck though.

    Thanks Doki - forgive my ignorance, but does the HC talk about primary,
    secondary positions for cyclists - i.e. make it clear why we do what we
    have to do?

    I don't think it goes into that much detail. More of "give cyclists room and
    don't drive like a [censored]" type of thing. The Highway code is online...

    How many motorists have ever read the Highway Code since they took
    their test? I doubt it is very many judging from the appalling
    ignorance shown by most.

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  6. Mark said:

    How many motorists have ever read the Highway Code since they took
    their test? I doubt it is very many judging from the appalling
    ignorance shown by most.

    It's almost universal among drivers (my driving instructor even
    admitted as much) that you drive one way for the test and another way
    once you've passed[*], so I expect most road users consider knowledge
    of the highway code as just a hoop to jump through that can later be
    ignored.

    -dan

    [*] this is not universally bad - for example, in normal driving you
    don't need to make exaggerated head movements so that the car passenger
    is aware you're checking the mirror.

  7. "Slark" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    Quoted message said:

    Thanks Doki - forgive my ignorance, but does the HC talk about
    primary, secondary positions for cyclists - i.e. make it clear why
    we do what we have to do?

    There's a new fashion, for pictures showing bike + car, and saying
    "Share the road".

    Many motorists love this idea, because they think it's directed at
    cyclists, not them, and that "Share the road" means "Share the lane
    (under all circumstances)"

    Jeremy Parker

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