I'm currently running a pair of 700x28 Specialized All-Condition Armadillos on my ride. Given that they come it at a whopping 460g apiece, I was thinking of switching over to the All-Condition Armadillo Elites, at 340g apiece.
Can anyone comment on the diffferences between the two? The Conti Ultra Gatorskin is another contender. Thanks. Peter.
I'm currently running a pair of 700x28 Specialized All-Condition Armadillos on my ride. Given that they come it at a whopping 460g apiece, I was thinking of switching over to the All-Condition Armadillo Elites, at 340g apiece.
Can anyone comment on the diffferences between the two? The Conti Ultra Gatorskin is another contender. Thanks. Peter.
No experience with either, but a question: for the width, those are very very heavy tires. I expect they both ride like [censored]. Does your route demand such a miserable hose of a tire?
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I'm currently running a pair of 700x28 Specialized All-Condition Armadillos on my ride. Given that they come it at a whopping 460g apiece, I was thinking of switching over to the All-Condition Armadillo Elites, at 340g apiece.
Can anyone comment on the diffferences between the two? The Conti Ultra Gatorskin is another contender. Thanks. Peter.
No experience with either, but a question: for the width, those are very very heavy tires. I expect they both ride like [censored]. Does your route demand such a miserable hose of a tire?
A quick search yields these weights for 700x28c tires: Continental Continental Ultra Sport Tire - 350 gm Vittoria Randonneur Cross Tire - 500 gm Continental Ultra Gatorskin Tire - 320 gm Michelin Dynamic - 320 gm Michelin City - 560 gm Nu-Teck Bike Touring Airless Tire - 680 gm Schwalbe Stelvio HS 376 - 350 gm Schwalbe Marathon Plus - 740 gm Michelin Pro2 Light - "Our lighest tire" 700 x 23c - 190 gm
What 700c x 28 tire would you suggest that is dramatically lighter than these "very very heavy tires"?
I'm currently running a pair of 700x28 Specialized All-Condition Armadillos on my ride. Given that they come it at a whopping 460g apiece, I was thinking of switching over to the All-Condition Armadillo Elites, at 340g apiece.
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Can anyone comment on the diffferences between the two? The Conti Ultra Gatorskin is another contender. Thanks. Peter.
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No experience with either, but a question: for the width, those are very very heavy tires. I expect they both ride like [censored]. Does your route demand such a miserable hose of a tire?
A quick search yields these weights for 700x28c tires: Continental Continental Ultra Sport Tire - 350 gm Vittoria Randonneur Cross Tire - 500 gm Continental Ultra Gatorskin Tire - 320 gm Michelin Dynamic - 320 gm Michelin City - 560 gm Nu-Teck Bike Touring Airless Tire - 680 gm Schwalbe Stelvio HS 376 - 350 gm Schwalbe Marathon Plus - 740 gm Michelin Pro2 Light - "Our lighest tire" 700 x 23c - 190 gm
What 700c x 28 tire would you suggest that is dramatically lighter than these "very very heavy tires"?
It's a casing thing, not really a weight thing, FWIW. A 28mm wire bead tire that weighs more than 300g probably has reinforced sidewalls and will ride like [censored]. Great if you need it in really rough conditions, but at the expense of a nice ride. If I *needed* the heavy tire for road issues--I"d just get the cheaper one.
On May 13, 4:25 pm, PeterCruzer <[email hidden]> wrote: > I'm currently running a pair of 700x28 Specialized All-Condition > Armadillos on my ride. Given that they come it at a whopping 460g > apiece, I was thinking of switching over to the All-Condition > Armadillo Elites, at 340g apiece.
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> Can anyone comment on the diffferences between the two? The Conti > Ultra Gatorskin is another contender. Thanks. Peter.
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No experience with either, but a question: for the width, those are very very heavy tires. I expect they both ride like [censored]. Does your route demand such a miserable hose of a tire?
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A quick search yields these weights for 700x28c tires: Continental Continental Ultra Sport Tire - 350 gm Vittoria Randonneur Cross Tire - 500 gm Continental Ultra Gatorskin Tire - 320 gm Michelin Dynamic - 320 gm Michelin City - 560 gm Nu-Teck Bike Touring Airless Tire - 680 gm Schwalbe Stelvio HS 376 - 350 gm Schwalbe Marathon Plus - 740 gm Michelin Pro2 Light - "Our lighest tire" 700 x 23c - 190 gm
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What 700c x 28 tire would you suggest that is dramatically lighter than these "very very heavy tires"?
It's a casing thing, not really a weight thing, FWIW. A 28mm wire bead tire that weighs more than 300g probably has reinforced sidewalls and will ride like [censored]. Great if you need it in really rough conditions, but at the expense of a nice ride. If I *needed* the heavy tire for road issues--I"d just get the cheaper one.
I'm running the Armadillos on a Silvio Cruzbike recumbent; hence the preference for a bit more width. I am not a racer. Re "ride like [censored]", yah you betcha. Why do I need 'em? Good question. My daily workout route goes through about an aggregate half mile of broken glass (along a two lane state highway famed for its high accident rate). I have a pair of Vredestein Fortezza Tricomp 700x25's I could slap on, but I'm pretty sure those would be meat in no time. In short, I want *some* degree of flat protection, but am willing to give up the bomb-proofness of the 460g armadillos for the better ride and lower weight of the 340g Armadillos. An e-mail to the manufacturer brought this response about the two:
Peter,
The Armadillo Elite will of course be lighter and will have a much better ride quality to them but I have noticed that the standard armadillo actually have better flat protection and that is because in the Elite model they thinned out the Kevlar lining a small amount and added aramid bead to make it more of a race ready flat protection tire. If you are looking for the best all round flat protection I say stick with the ones you have but if you want a nicer ride and a lighter tire check out the Elites.
-Zane
Specialized Customer Service/Online Store 1137 South 3800 West Salt Lake City UT 84104 877-808-8154
You also might want to take a look at the Schwalble Marathon Plus tire. Instead of a tough plastic layer, they just add a thick rubber layer under the tread. It's heavier than the Armadillo, but you might find it rolls better once you get up to speed.
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> On May 13, 4:25 pm, PeterCruzer <[email hidden]> wrote: >> I'm currently running a pair of 700x28 Specialized All-Condition >> Armadillos on my ride. Given that they come it at a whopping 460g >> apiece, I was thinking of switching over to the All-Condition >> Armadillo Elites, at 340g apiece.
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>> Can anyone comment on the diffferences between the two? The Conti >> Ultra Gatorskin is another contender. Thanks. Peter.
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> No experience with either, but a question: for the width, those are > very very heavy tires. I expect they both ride like [censored]. Does your > route demand such a miserable hose of a tire?
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A quick search yields these weights for 700x28c tires: Continental Continental Ultra Sport Tire - 350 gm Vittoria Randonneur Cross Tire - 500 gm Continental Ultra Gatorskin Tire - 320 gm Michelin Dynamic - 320 gm Michelin City - 560 gm Nu-Teck Bike Touring Airless Tire - 680 gm Schwalbe Stelvio HS 376 - 350 gm Schwalbe Marathon Plus - 740 gm Michelin Pro2 Light - "Our lighest tire" 700 x 23c - 190 gm
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What 700c x 28 tire would you suggest that is dramatically lighter than these "very very heavy tires"?
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It's a casing thing, not really a weight thing, FWIW. A 28mm wire bead tire that weighs more than 300g probably has reinforced sidewalls and will ride like [censored]. Great if you need it in really rough conditions, but at the expense of a nice ride. If I *needed* the heavy tire for road issues--I"d just get the cheaper one.
I'm running the Armadillos on a Silvio Cruzbike recumbent; hence the preference for a bit more width. I am not a racer. Re "ride like [censored]", yah you betcha. Why do I need 'em? Good question. My daily workout route goes through about an aggregate half mile of broken glass (along a two lane state highway famed for its high accident rate). I have a pair of Vredestein Fortezza Tricomp 700x25's I could slap on, but I'm pretty sure those would be meat in no time. In short, I want *some* degree of flat protection, but am willing to give up the bomb-proofness of the 460g armadillos for the better ride and lower weight of the 340g Armadillos. An e-mail to the manufacturer brought this response about the two:
Peter,
The Armadillo Elite will of course be lighter and will have a much better ride quality to them but I have noticed that the standard armadillo actually have better flat protection and that is because in the Elite model they thinned out the Kevlar lining a small amount and added aramid bead to make it more of a race ready flat protection tire. If you are looking for the best all round flat protection I say stick with the ones you have but if you want a nicer ride and a lighter tire check out the Elites.
-Zane
Specialized Customer Service/Online Store 1137 South 3800 West Salt Lake City UT 84104 877-808-8154
