BIKE STAND: Which One For Carbon Fibre Bikes ??

"Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you

It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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"Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Hello,
|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you

It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.

Thanks

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Hello,
|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you

It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.

What do you do on bikes with integrated seat masts?

Maple Tree said:

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"Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Hello,
|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you

It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.

Thanks

you want a stand that only touches the hard points of the frame.
something like this:

http://parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=23&item=PRS%2D20

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 19:53:38 -0500, "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]>

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"Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Hello,
|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you

It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.

What do you do on bikes with integrated seat masts?

Yeah. And I have to wonder about the wisdom of repeatedly taking out
and reinserting the seatpost.

Seems to me that for washing and low-force repairs "loose" clamping of
the frame wouldn't be a probleml.

But then again I don't really know... I use one of these with my
carbon fiber bike
http://www.permaco.com/images/stand2.jpg
http://www.permaco.com/en-us/dept_17.html

which would not be viable in a shop situation, or for someone with a
bad back...

jim beam said:

you want a stand that only touches the hard points of the frame.
something like this:

http://parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=23&item=PRS%2D20

Nice.

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"Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
to purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.

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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote

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It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.

Maple Tree said:

I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.

Mike makes a good point. Work and display stands either clamp, and
modern bike frames don't like that at all, even the round section ones,
or cradle, which can scratch or shift around during cleaning or other
manipulations. Hanging the bike by seat and bars may be innocuous.

As Mike wrote, get a clamping stand and change out the post when you
clamp that post in it.

p.s. Any LBS owner/ manager who has replaced a damaged frame clamped by
an employee would respond in exactly the same way.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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But then again I don't really know... I use one of these with my
carbon fiber bike
http://www.permaco.com/images/stand2.jpg
http://www.permaco.com/en-us/dept_17.html

which would not be viable in a shop situation, or for someone with a
bad back...

You can get this sort of clasp
http://parktool.com/products/bigpicture.asp?picture=spr_PRS-3_OS_001cj_20071120_66148.jpg
for the normal stands. You then only tighten it enough to hold the bike
solid enough for the work you're doing.

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

jim beam said:

you want a stand that only touches the hard points of the frame.
something like this:

http://parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=23&item=PRS%2D20

Nice.

If JT approves, then it's good.

If you read the Cycling News tech reports religiously, you'll know that
almost all the pro teams use stands of this design.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

| p.s. Any LBS owner/ manager who has replaced a damaged frame clamped by
| an employee would respond in exactly the same way.

30 years ago, a shop down the street thought it would be cool to install a
pneumatic stand. You stepped on a floor pedal and the jaws automatically
smashed, er I mean clamped, the tube. We saw a *lot* of bikes coming in the
door with two parallel crimp marks on the seat tubes. :>😉

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"A Muzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| >> "Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| >> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike
stand
| >> to purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| > "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote
| >> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
| >> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
| >> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
| >> have
| >> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when
it's
| >> time to work on it.
|
| Maple Tree wrote:
| > I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
| > stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
|
| Mike makes a good point. Work and display stands either clamp, and
| modern bike frames don't like that at all, even the round section ones,
| or cradle, which can scratch or shift around during cleaning or other
| manipulations. Hanging the bike by seat and bars may be innocuous.
|
| As Mike wrote, get a clamping stand and change out the post when you
| clamp that post in it.
|
| p.s. Any LBS owner/ manager who has replaced a damaged frame clamped by
| an employee would respond in exactly the same way.
| --
| Andrew Muzi
| <www.yellowjersey.org/>
| Open every day since 1 April, 1971
| ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

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| "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| > "Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| > | Hello,
| > |
| > | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
| > to
| > | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
| > |
| > | Thank you
| >
| > It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
| > aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
| > seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
| > have
| > a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when
it's
| > time to work on it.
|
| What do you do on bikes with integrated seat masts?

http://store.trekbikes.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1592&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C15%2C418%2C419&iProductID=1592&bShopOnline=1
works for the new Madones; if you had one of the bikes that literally has no
seatpost at all, then you're pretty much going to have to use the Park stand
someone else showed. I'm not convinced that's (the Park PRS-20) the best way
to go for most bikes, but it's the only way to go if you're going to be
dealing with some of the unusual seat-mounting designs found on many frames.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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| "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| > "Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| > | Hello,
| > |
| > | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
| > to
| > | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
| > |
| > | Thank you
| >
| > It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
| > aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
| > seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
| > have
| > a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when
it's
| > time to work on it.
| >
| > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
| > www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
|
| I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
| stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
|
| Thanks

As others pointed out, the Park PRS-20 will do the job. It's popular because
it's the only style that works on pretty much anything imaginable, which
makes it popular with the race mechanics (since some current designs
essentially have no seat post at all). But if you've got a bike that a
conventional seatpost will work in, I think you're better off with one of
the conventional seatpost-clamping stands. More versatile because you can
move the bike around.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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Maple Tree said:

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"Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Hello,
|
| I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
to
| purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
|
| Thank you
It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
have
a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
time to work on it.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.

Thanks

I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.

not so - it mounts either front or rear.

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It is
difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
the BB.

theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
of a cracked tube.

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You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.

not so - see above.

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Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
the bike into any position.

Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.

Andres

jim beam said:

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Maple Tree said:

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> "Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> | Hello,
> |
> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
> to
> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
> |
> | Thank you
> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
> have
> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
> time to work on it.
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.

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Thanks

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I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.

not so - it mounts either front or rear.

Quoted message said:

It is
difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
the BB.

theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
of a cracked tube.

Quoted message said:

You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.

not so - see above.

Quoted message said:

Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
the bike into any position.

Quoted message said:

Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.

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Andres

I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
seat post. When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.

If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
corners really well. Of course you can get around all this with any
bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
$100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
rack.

I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
seatpost clamping rack. I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
bike shop would care to contribute?

Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
volume than you or I.

Andres

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On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> "Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> | Hello,
>> |
>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
>> to
>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
>> |
>> | Thank you
>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
>> have
>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
>> time to work on it.
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
> Thanks
I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.

not so - it mounts either front or rear.

Quoted message said:

It is
difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
the BB.

theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
of a cracked tube.

Quoted message said:

You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.

not so - see above.

Quoted message said:

Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
the bike into any position.
Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
Andres

I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
seat post.

but you can if you clamp the frame. that's what that type of stand
completely avoids.

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When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.

If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
corners really well.

why bother? it'll only get dirty the next day. just ride the freakin'
thing. sweat and mud are badges of honor, not something to be ashamed of.

Quoted message said:

Of course you can get around all this with any
bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
$100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
rack.

I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
seatpost clamping rack.

and yet all the pros on the tour, as has been pointed out by ryan, use
the non-clamping style stand. but they're just ignorant europeans -
what do they know?

Quoted message said:

I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
bike shop would care to contribute?

don't like the evidence presented, so keep searching!

Quoted message said:

Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
volume than you or I.

Andres

jim beam said:

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jim beam said:

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> On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>news:[email hidden]...
>>> "Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>> | Hello,
>>> |
>>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
>>> to
>>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
>>> |
>>> | Thank you
>>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
>>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
>>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
>>> have
>>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
>>> time to work on it.
>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>>www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
>> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
>> Thanks
> I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
> of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
> than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
> find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
> starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
> adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.
not so - it mounts either front or rear.

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> It is
> difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
> the BB.
theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
of a cracked tube.

Quoted message said:

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> You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
not so - see above.

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> Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
> the bike into any position.
> Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
> these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
> bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
> pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
> Andres

Quoted message said:

I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
seat post.

but you can if you clamp the frame. that's what that type of stand
completely avoids.

Quoted message said:

When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.

Quoted message said:

If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
corners really well.

why bother? it'll only get dirty the next day. just ride the freakin'
thing. sweat and mud are badges of honor, not something to be ashamed of.

Quoted message said:

Of course you can get around all this with any
bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
$100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
rack.

Quoted message said:

I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
seatpost clamping rack.

and yet all the pros on the tour, as has been pointed out by ryan, use
the non-clamping style stand. but they're just ignorant europeans -
what do they know?

actually, they are useful to adjust gears, and brakes and to tighten
bolts before a race. So, if the purpose of the stand is to take it to
the race site to make minor adjustments, then they are great, as I
stated in my original post. In fact, in such cases they would be
preferable cause you don't want to be readjusting seatposts. However,
for major overhauls in a bike shop or at home, they are inconvenient
and impractical. If Maple tree wants a stand to take to races to do
minor adjustments, such a stand is fine. A trainer works even better
since you can make adjustments and also warm up on it. OTOH, if he
wants it for home, not such a good idea.

Quoted message said:

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I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
bike shop would care to contribute?

don't like the evidence presented, so keep searching!

Quoted message said:

Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
volume than you or I.

Quoted message said:

Andres

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jim beam said:

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On Jun 2, 8:12 pm, jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>> On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, "Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>>> "Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>>> | Hello,
>>>> |
>>>> | I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand
>>>> to
>>>> | purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.
>>>> |
>>>> | Thank you
>>>> It doesn't matter whether you have a high-quality bike made of steel,
>>>> aluminum, ti or carbon. You do *not* clamp the frame. You clamp the
>>>> seatpost. And if you've got a seatpost that's too fragile to clamp, you
>>>> have
>>>> a cheapie seatpost of the correct size and use that in the frame when it's
>>>> time to work on it.
>>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>> I have a carbon seat post, what I want is a suggestion for the best bike
>>> stand designed for the new carbon fibre bikes. They do exist.
>>> Thanks
>> I am going to disagree with both jb and JT. First, Mike is the owner
>> of Trek's biggest bike shops and he has probably worked on more bikes
>> than most of us combined, so I would heed to his advise. Second, I
>> find lots of disadvantages with the stand identified by jb. For
>> starters, you need to remove your front wheel so you can't make fine
>> adjustments to the front brake with the bike on the stand.
> not so - it mounts either front or rear.
>> It is
>> difficult to work under the BB on d�railleur cables or to clean under
>> the BB.
> theoretically true, but i can't say i find it to be that much of a
> problem. and it's a trivial price to pay for removing any possibility
> of a cracked tube.
>> You cannot work on removing and reinstalling the headset.
> not so - see above.
>> Finally, with the stand that clamps the post, you can pretty much turn
>> the bike into any position.
>> Get a stand that clamps the seatpost. Pretty much, all bike shops use
>> these kinds of stands. The stand that jb and JT recommend is seen at
>> bike races because it is good for adjusting the deraulliers in a
>> pinch. However, for major work it is inconvenient.
>> Andres
I don't get why you would crack a tube if you clamp the bike from the
seat post.

but you can if you clamp the frame. that's what that type of stand
completely avoids.

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When I am doing minor work, I don't clamp it tight. I close
the clamp but it doesn't put any pressure in the tube. I used to work
with my bike on a trainer on top of a table. Same principle as the
stand that you mentioned. I found it to be a pain in the butt when I
was working with cables, cleaning the BB or working on headsets. With
the seat post clamping stand, you can rotate the clamp in any
direction. It will hold the bike up exposing the entire bottom of the
down tube. It will place the bike in any position imaginable. If you
need to true wheels on the bike, they are there.
If your bike is filthy from a rainy day, you can scrub it in all
corners really well.

why bother? it'll only get dirty the next day. just ride the freakin'
thing. sweat and mud are badges of honor, not something to be ashamed of.

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Of course you can get around all this with any
bike stand. When I was a poor college student I would do everything
with the bike against the wall. However, if I am going to spend over
$100. bucks, I will spend them on the stand that gives me the most
maneuverability and access. Seatpost clamping stands give you this,
and this is the reason pretty much all pro mechanics have this sort of
rack.
I would bet that all pro mechanics in this group would recommend a
seatpost clamping rack.

and yet all the pros on the tour, as has been pointed out by ryan, use
the non-clamping style stand. but they're just ignorant europeans -
what do they know?

actually, they are useful to adjust gears, and brakes and to tighten
bolts before a race. So, if the purpose of the stand is to take it to
the race site to make minor adjustments, then they are great, as I
stated in my original post. In fact, in such cases they would be
preferable cause you don't want to be readjusting seatposts. However,
for major overhauls in a bike shop or at home, they are inconvenient
and impractical.

impractical for major overhauls? have you used one? because that's the
opposite of my experience. i can exert more leverage with much more
confidence on the bb of my bikes when mounted in my minoura stand of
that design than i can on any stand of tube clamp design.

Quoted message said:

If Maple tree wants a stand to take to races to do
minor adjustments, such a stand is fine. A trainer works even better
since you can make adjustments and also warm up on it. OTOH, if he
wants it for home, not such a good idea.

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I bet that the ones that we know of, such as
Peter, and Andrew also use this type of rack. Anybody else who owns a
bike shop would care to contribute?

don't like the evidence presented, so keep searching!

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Mike who works with the Trek carbon and aluminum bikes and all their
silly technology recommends them. I am sure that he handles more
volume than you or I.
Andres

"Maple Tree" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hello,

I own a Trek carbon fibre road bike, what would be the best bike stand to
purchase for doing repairs on my bike and washing it.

Thank you

Hello Fellows,

I went with the ParkTools PRS-20, thanks for your help.

http://www.parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=23&item=PRS-20

Clamping a carbon fibre frame or seatpost is a mistake, for anyone out there
that suggested it. The new and proper way is using a bike stand like the
PRS-20, several companies are making them now.

Maple Tree said:

Clamping a carbon fibre frame or seatpost is a mistake, for anyone out
there that suggested it. The new and proper way is using a bike stand like
the PRS-20, several companies are making them now.

Please inform us how the changing of bottom brackets went, using this stand.

Derk