"Pump Peg" Still Usefull?

Art Harris said:

One of my classic steel road bikes has a pump peg on the head tube. My
Zefal HP frame pump has a hole for a pump peg on one end, but plastic
braces on the other end.

I currently have the pump installed on the seat tube (the plastic
braces press against the seat tube/down tube interface, and a clamp-on
metal cap attached to the seat tube holds the other end. This works
fine except that I can't mount a water bottle on the seat tube. (In
the warm weather, I'd like to carry two water bottles.)

I tried mounting the HP pump under the top tube using the pump peg on
one end and the clamp-on cap on the other. Problem is that the brake
cable guides on top of the top tube interfere with the clamp-on cap,
and the clamp is also too big for the 1" top tube.

Hmm, on my Zefal HP, I don't need to use a clamp-on cap. I have
different length Zefal HP pumps for different bicycles, to avoid the
necessity of a cap. The HP comes in four different sizes.

"http://www.yellowjersey.org/hpx.html"

Ouch..those have gotten expensive, thanks to the Republicans!

Art Harris said:

One of my classic steel road bikes has a pump peg on the head tube. My
Zefal HP frame pump has a hole for a pump peg on one end, but plastic
braces on the other end.

I currently have the pump installed on the seat tube (the plastic
braces press against the seat tube/down tube interface, and a clamp-on
metal cap attached to the seat tube holds the other end. This works
fine except that I can't mount a water bottle on the seat tube. (In
the warm weather, I'd like to carry two water bottles.)

I tried mounting the HP pump under the top tube using the pump peg on
one end and the clamp-on cap on the other. Problem is that the brake
cable guides on top of the top tube interfere with the clamp-on cap,
and the clamp is also too big for the 1" top tube.

So do modern frame pumps still accomodate a pump peg, or would the peg
actually get in the way? Any suggestions how I can get a full size
pump installed under the TT of this bike?

Thanks,
Art Harris

I think a lot of "modern frames" can accommodate a pump peg. They
just don't...which I find really irritating. Probably nothing on a
frame has a higher benefit-to-cost ratio. Having to strap, clamp,
duct-tape, glue, or whatever a frame pump to an otherwise beautiful
bicycle is an aesthetic offensive of the highest order.

I guess we're all just supposed to load up on CO2 and relegate our
frame pumps to the equipment boneyard. I don't like the limitations
of CO2. I know for some they make sense but for the vast majority of
cyclists, a full sized frame pump would be a better choice. Frame
builders should acknowledge this and provide proper pump pegs.

Art Harris said:

One of my classic steel road bikes has a pump peg on the head tube. My
Zefal HP frame pump has a hole for a pump peg on one end, but plastic
braces on the other end.

I currently have the pump installed on the seat tube (the plastic
braces press against the seat tube/down tube interface, and a clamp-on
metal cap attached to the seat tube holds the other end. This works
fine except that I can't mount a water bottle on the seat tube. (In
the warm weather, I'd like to carry two water bottles.)

I tried mounting the HP pump under the top tube using the pump peg on
one end and the clamp-on cap on the other. Problem is that the brake
cable guides on top of the top tube interfere with the clamp-on cap,
and the clamp is also too big for the 1" top tube.

So do modern frame pumps still accomodate a pump peg, or would the peg
actually get in the way? Any suggestions how I can get a full size
pump installed under the TT of this bike?

Thanks,
Art Harris

Yep and most full sized frame pumps come in sizes to match you TT
length.

Quoted message said:

Art Harris said:

One of my classic steel road bikes has a pump peg on the head tube. My
Zefal HP frame pump has a hole for a pump peg on one end, but plastic
braces on the other end.

Quoted message said:

I currently have the pump installed on the seat tube (the plastic
braces press against the seat tube/down tube interface, and a clamp-on
metal cap attached to the seat tube holds the other end. This works
fine except that I can't mount a water bottle on the seat tube. (In
the warm weather, I'd like to carry two water bottles.)

Quoted message said:

I tried mounting the HP pump under the top tube using the pump peg on
one end and the clamp-on cap on the other. Problem is that the brake
cable guides on top of the top tube interfere with the clamp-on cap,
and the clamp is also too big for the 1" top tube.

Quoted message said:

So do modern frame pumps still accomodate a pump peg, or would the peg
actually get in the way? Any suggestions how I can get a full size
pump installed under the TT of this bike?

Quoted message said:

Thanks,
Art Harris

I think a lot of "modern frames" can accommodate a pump peg. They
just don't...which I find really irritating. Probably nothing on a
frame has a higher benefit-to-cost ratio. Having to strap, clamp,
duct-tape, glue, or whatever a frame pump to an otherwise beautiful
bicycle is an aesthetic offensive of the highest order.

I guess we're all just supposed to load up on CO2 and relegate our
frame pumps to the equipment boneyard. I don't like the limitations
of CO2. I know for some they make sense but for the vast majority of
cyclists, a full sized frame pump would be a better choice. Frame
builders should acknowledge this and provide proper pump pegs.

Even with a pump peg, I'd still use some velcro to hold the pump to
the frame. I had a zefal pump that fitted nice and tight under the top
tube with a peg. I didn't have anything else. I rode over some uneven
train tracks and the pump fell off. Riders behind rode over it and the
pump was toast. Since then, I always have a small piece of extra
velcro holding the pump as prevention.

Andres

Quoted message said:

Art Harris said:

One of my classic steel road bikes has a pump peg on the head tube. My
Zefal HP frame pump has a hole for a pump peg on one end, but plastic
braces on the other end.

Quoted message said:

I currently have the pump installed on the seat tube (the plastic
braces press against the seat tube/down tube interface, and a clamp-on
metal cap attached to the seat tube holds the other end. This works
fine except that I can't mount a water bottle on the seat tube. (In
the warm weather, I'd like to carry two water bottles.)

Quoted message said:

I tried mounting the HP pump under the top tube using the pump peg on
one end and the clamp-on cap on the other. Problem is that the brake
cable guides on top of the top tube interfere with the clamp-on cap,
and the clamp is also too big for the 1" top tube.

Quoted message said:

So do modern frame pumps still accomodate a pump peg, or would the peg
actually get in the way? Any suggestions how I can get a full size
pump installed under the TT of this bike?

Quoted message said:

Thanks,
Art Harris

I think a lot of "modern frames" can accommodate a pump peg.  They
just don't...which I find really irritating.  Probably nothing on a
frame has a higher benefit-to-cost ratio.  Having to strap, clamp,
duct-tape, glue, or whatever a frame pump to an otherwise beautiful
bicycle is an aesthetic offensive of the highest order.

I guess we're all just supposed to load up on CO2 and relegate our
frame pumps to the equipment boneyard.  I don't like the limitations
of CO2.  I know for some they make sense but for the vast majority of
cyclists, a full sized frame pump would be a better choice.  Frame
builders should acknowledge this and provide proper pump pegs.- Hide quoted text -

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Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
anchor and take up shuffleboard.

Quoted message said:

Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
anchor and take up shuffleboard.

Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.

Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?

With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
fill your tire. With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.

CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that. If you like paying
it, go ahead. But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
eat more goodies!

Colin Campbell said:

Quoted message said:

Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
anchor and take up shuffleboard.

Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.

Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?

With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
fill your tire.  With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.

CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that.  If you like paying
it, go ahead.  But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
eat more goodies!

Oh c'mon...let's not turn this into a referendum on the energy crisis.
The only cyclists still using pumps are luddites and "retrogrouches".
More power to 'em. CO2 is a modern solution for modern cyclists using
modern frames. Pump pegs are at the right place in terms of the
evolution of bicycles and equipement...obscure, "cute", and retro. If
you want one on your frame, you SHOULD have to custom order it. They
now belong in the "boneyard" along with gonfluers, hand-operated
derailluers, bar-mounted bottle cages, and "standard reach" brakes.
Yes, there is still a niche market for these things (ok, maybe not
gonfluers) but they are not mainstream.

Over many thousands of miles, I have used maybe 2 CO2 cartridges. If
you take care of your tires, properly inflate them with a floor pump,
etc. it isn't like you will need to blow through a couple hundred CO2
cartridges every month.

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

Quoted message said:

Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
anchor and take up shuffleboard.

Quoted message said:

Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.

Quoted message said:

Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?

Quoted message said:

With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
fill your tire.  With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.

Quoted message said:

CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that.  If you like paying
it, go ahead.  But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
eat more goodies!

Oh c'mon...let's not turn this into a referendum on the energy crisis.
The only cyclists still using pumps are luddites and "retrogrouches".
More power to 'em.  CO2 is a modern solution for modern cyclists using
modern frames.

So tell me why I have to stop and top up you CO2ists at least once per
week with my mini-pump?

land*post-modern*otter

Quoted post said:

Quoted message said:

On Jun 5, 8:39 am, Art Harris <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

One of my classic steel road bikes has a pump peg on the head tube. My
Zefal HP frame pump has a hole for a pump peg on one end, but plastic
braces on the other end.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I currently have the pump installed on the seat tube (the plastic
braces press against the seat tube/down tube interface, and a clamp-on
metal cap attached to the seat tube holds the other end. This works
fine except that I can't mount a water bottle on the seat tube. (In
the warm weather, I'd like to carry two water bottles.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I tried mounting the HP pump under the top tube using the pump peg on
one end and the clamp-on cap on the other. Problem is that the brake
cable guides on top of the top tube interfere with the clamp-on cap,
and the clamp is also too big for the 1" top tube.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So do modern frame pumps still accomodate a pump peg, or would the peg
actually get in the way? Any suggestions how I can get a full size
pump installed under the TT of this bike?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thanks,
Art Harris

Quoted message said:

I think a lot of "modern frames" can accommodate a pump peg.  They
just don't...which I find really irritating.  Probably nothing on a
frame has a higher benefit-to-cost ratio.  Having to strap, clamp,
duct-tape, glue, or whatever a frame pump to an otherwise beautiful
bicycle is an aesthetic offensive of the highest order.

Quoted message said:

I guess we're all just supposed to load up on CO2 and relegate our
frame pumps to the equipment boneyard.  I don't like the limitations
of CO2.  I know for some they make sense but for the vast majority of
cyclists, a full sized frame pump would be a better choice.  Frame
builders should acknowledge this and provide proper pump pegs.

Even with a pump peg, I'd still use some velcro to hold the pump to
the frame. I had a zefal pump that fitted nice and tight under the top
tube with a peg. I didn't have anything else. I rode over some uneven
train tracks and the pump fell off. Riders behind rode over it and the
pump was toast. Since then, I always have a small piece of extra
velcro holding the pump as prevention.

Andres- Hide quoted text -

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It might have been repairable. Years ago I was at Pedlar Cycles in
Toronto when a cyclist came in to get a new aluminium body Zefal HP
pump. He had his with him. It had fallen off the bicycle and was run
over by a car. He gave the pump to the shop. The shop gave the pump to
me when I asked if I could have it. I took it home and removed the
plunger assembly. Then I force a hardwood dowel down the pump body.
Amazingly that pumped worked for many years afterwards. The shop
thought it would have made great advertising for Zefal.

Cheers from Peter

Art Harris said:

One of my classic steel road bikes has a pump peg on the head tube. My
Zefal HP frame pump has a hole for a pump peg on one end, but plastic
braces on the other end.

I currently have the pump installed on the seat tube (the plastic
braces press against the seat tube/down tube interface, and a clamp-on
metal cap attached to the seat tube holds the other end. This works
fine except that I can't mount a water bottle on the seat tube. (In
the warm weather, I'd like to carry two water bottles.)

I tried mounting the HP pump under the top tube using the pump peg on
one end and the clamp-on cap on the other. Problem is that the brake
cable guides on top of the top tube interfere with the clamp-on cap,
and the clamp is also too big for the 1" top tube.

So do modern frame pumps still accomodate a pump peg, or would the peg
actually get in the way? Any suggestions how I can get a full size
pump installed under the TT of this bike?

As other people have implied, the problem is that
your pump is too short. For many frames, the pump
that fits along the seat tube is too short to run the
entire length of the top tube. The plastic standoffs
on the head end of a Zefal pump can fit in the
top tube-seat tube junction while the handle end
fits against the pump peg. If you don't have a pump
peg, Zefal made a plastic peg that fit on with a
hose-clamp style strap. These will fit under a brake
cable better than the old metal clamp-on pump cap,
although they are stylistically inelegant.

A Zefal HPx (not HP) has an angled handle end that
fits into acute angle tube junctions. This lets you
run it along the seat tube without using a pump cap
or peg.

The really trick way of carrying a pump is to have
your frame builder braze one or two pegs onto the
left seatstay, and mounting the pump along that.

Ben

landotter said:

Quoted message said:

On Jun 5, 11:27 am, Colin Campbell <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> anchor and take up shuffleboard.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and usesa
lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
fill your tire.  With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that.  If you like paying
it, go ahead.  But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
eat more goodies!

Quoted message said:

Oh c'mon...let's not turn this into a referendum on the energy crisis.
The only cyclists still using pumps are luddites and "retrogrouches".
More power to 'em.  CO2 is a modern solution for modern cyclists using
modern frames.

So tell me why I have to stop and top up you CO2ists at least once per
week with my mini-pump?

land*post-modern*otter- Hide quoted text -

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Well, being modern with equipment does not give one a license to be
unprepared or incompetent. You still have to know your equipment, how
to use a CO2 inflator, etc. Thankfully, there are post-modern
landotters out there to protect the ignorant from long walks home.
The few times I have had to use my C02 I have not had serious
underinflation issues-- completed the ride enjoyably and made it home
fine. I must confess thought that in addtion to my CO2, I do carry a
presta-to-schraeder adaptor just in case. Mini-pumps seem like a
receipe or frustration. What does it take? About 10,000 strokes to
get up to a rideable 90 psi? No thanks.

Art Harris said:

One of my classic steel road bikes has a pump peg on the head tube. My
Zefal HP frame pump has a hole for a pump peg on one end, but plastic
braces on the other end.

I currently have the pump installed on the seat tube (the plastic
braces press against the seat tube/down tube interface, and a clamp-on
metal cap attached to the seat tube holds the other end. This works
fine except that I can't mount a water bottle on the seat tube. (In
the warm weather, I'd like to carry two water bottles.)

I tried mounting the HP pump under the top tube using the pump peg on
one end and the clamp-on cap on the other. Problem is that the brake
cable guides on top of the top tube interfere with the clamp-on cap,
and the clamp is also too big for the 1" top tube.

So do modern frame pumps still accomodate a pump peg, or would the peg
actually get in the way? Any suggestions how I can get a full size
pump installed under the TT of this bike?

Use Zéfal's nylon pump band at the front of the top tube with your Zéfal
pump's plastic 'wings' at the seat tube junction.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Quoted message said:

Art Harris said:

One of my classic steel road bikes has a pump peg on the head tube. My
Zefal HP frame pump has a hole for a pump peg on one end, but plastic
braces on the other end.

I currently have the pump installed on the seat tube (the plastic
braces press against the seat tube/down tube interface, and a clamp-on
metal cap attached to the seat tube holds the other end. This works
fine except that I can't mount a water bottle on the seat tube. (In
the warm weather, I'd like to carry two water bottles.)

I tried mounting the HP pump under the top tube using the pump peg on
one end and the clamp-on cap on the other. Problem is that the brake
cable guides on top of the top tube interfere with the clamp-on cap,
and the clamp is also too big for the 1" top tube.

SMS said:

Hmm, on my Zefal HP, I don't need to use a clamp-on cap. I have
different length Zefal HP pumps for different bicycles, to avoid the
necessity of a cap. The HP comes in four different sizes.

"http://www.yellowjersey.org/hpx.html"

Ouch..those have gotten expensive, thanks to the Republicans!

HP are flat-top pumps. Later HPX are frame fit
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Quoted message said:

Art Harris said:

One of my classic steel road bikes has a pump peg on the head tube. My
Zefal HP frame pump has a hole for a pump peg on one end, but plastic
braces on the other end.

I currently have the pump installed on the seat tube (the plastic
braces press against the seat tube/down tube interface, and a clamp-on
metal cap attached to the seat tube holds the other end. This works
fine except that I can't mount a water bottle on the seat tube. (In
the warm weather, I'd like to carry two water bottles.)

I tried mounting the HP pump under the top tube using the pump peg on
one end and the clamp-on cap on the other. Problem is that the brake
cable guides on top of the top tube interfere with the clamp-on cap,
and the clamp is also too big for the 1" top tube.

So do modern frame pumps still accomodate a pump peg, or would the peg
actually get in the way? Any suggestions how I can get a full size
pump installed under the TT of this bike?

Quoted message said:

I think a lot of "modern frames" can accommodate a pump peg. They
just don't...which I find really irritating. Probably nothing on a
frame has a higher benefit-to-cost ratio. Having to strap, clamp,
duct-tape, glue, or whatever a frame pump to an otherwise beautiful
bicycle is an aesthetic offensive of the highest order.

I guess we're all just supposed to load up on CO2 and relegate our
frame pumps to the equipment boneyard. I don't like the limitations
of CO2. I know for some they make sense but for the vast majority of
cyclists, a full sized frame pump would be a better choice. Frame
builders should acknowledge this and provide proper pump pegs.

Yep and when you get old, you will be singing "They improved it until it
didn't work", a popular tune around here.

OP says it's a 'classic steel bike' so this isn't a big deal. If he
upgraded to the 1985 model or newer pump he would need no hardware at
all. Many 'alternate materials' modern frames are not at all pump-friendly.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

email hidden said:

As other people have implied, the problem is that
your pump is too short. For many frames, the pump
that fits along the seat tube is too short to run the
entire length of the top tube. The plastic standoffs
on the head end of a Zefal pump can fit in the
top tube-seat tube junction while the handle end
fits against the pump peg. If you don't have a pump
peg, Zefal made a plastic peg that fit on with a
hose-clamp style strap. These will fit under a brake
cable better than the old metal clamp-on pump cap,
although they are stylistically inelegant.

Yes... to the OP - there are different length HP's available.

The ancestor to the HP was the Zefal Competition. It had both the
plastic standoffs to fit on a frame on the seat or head tube AND it
had a hole in the pump head to use pump pegs at BOTH ends. You could
also use it with the cap type AFA umbrella on the handle of course.
Very adaptable. They came in different lengths. You could use one on
your top tube with one end in an umbrella and the other with the peg
in the hole of the head.

When the HP came out they changed the head to eliminate the hole for
the peg. I think that's because they added the clamping lever and it
didn't work any more (and pegs were passe).

You can find them on Ebay from time to time. Look for a Zefal that
looks like an HP but has a larger barrel. It typically says
Competition on the barrel but it can be worn out now. They sometimes
came in French colors with a blue head and red grip or with a silver
head and a black grip. They were shiny anodized instead of the HP's
dull gray finish.

Quoted message said:

A Zefal HPx (not HP) has an angled handle end that
fits into acute angle tube junctions. This lets you
run it along the seat tube without using a pump cap
or peg.

When it matches well enough on length.

Quoted message said:

The really trick way of carrying a pump is to have
your frame builder braze one or two pegs onto the
left seatstay, and mounting the pump along that.

Oh, that's a fashion tragedy!

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

Quoted message said:

Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
anchor and take up shuffleboard.

Quoted message said:

Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.

Quoted message said:

Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and uses a
lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?

Quoted message said:

With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
fill your tire.  With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.

Quoted message said:

CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that.  If you like paying
it, go ahead.  But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
eat more goodies!

Oh c'mon...let's not turn this into a referendum on the energy crisis.
The only cyclists still using pumps are luddites and "retrogrouches".
More power to 'em.  CO2 is a modern solution for modern cyclists using
modern frames.  Pump pegs are at the right place in terms of the
evolution of bicycles and equipement...obscure, "cute", and retro.  If
you want one on your frame, you SHOULD have to custom order it.  They
now belong in the "boneyard" along with gonfluers, hand-operated
derailluers, bar-mounted bottle cages, and "standard reach" brakes.
Yes, there is still a niche market for these things (ok, maybe not
gonfluers)  but they are not mainstream.

Over many thousands of miles, I have used maybe 2 CO2 cartridges.  If
you take care of your tires, properly inflate them with a floor pump,
etc. it isn't like you will need to blow through a couple hundred CO2
cartridges every month.- Hide quoted text -

CO2 is fine except when things go really wrong. A couple of weeks
ago, I sliced up a tire sidewall and blew the tube while in the middle
of nowhere. I went to put in a spare (after finding an appropriate
boot) and after pumping it up, I realized it had a hole in it. I
found the hole and patched it. Repeat. Damn, it had a second hole --
what was this thing doing in my seatbag? I fix that. Pump up the
tire, and the valve stem falls out. It's the tube from hell! So, now
I have two patches left and the original tube with a giant blow-out
hole that barely fits under a patch. I patched that, and it held --
thank God, I made it back to town and bought some new tubes and a
tire.

This is really more an object lesson about making sure you have good
tubes and a patch kit in your seatbag -- and maybe a cell phone. But
because I had a frame pump, I was able to extricate myself from a bad
situation. I would have blown through a CO2 cartride and been looking
for a ride. Now, if it were just throwing in a spare, then CO2 would
have saved me from the PITA mini-pump (which is the only thing that
fits on the bike). -- Jay Beattie.

Jay Beattie said:

CO2 is fine except when things go really wrong.

For that there are combined CO2 inflator + pump thingies (mine is from
Barbieri but I think now there are others as well) that combine the
convenience of CO2 with the masochism of a mini pump. By the time you
actually need the pump feature, you can't help but laugh hysterically.

Also consider the environmental benefits of all that CO2 being trapped
inside 16 g cartridges (at least temporarily) rather than flowing
freely and doing all kinds of nasty things to the atmosphere.

Jay Beattie said:

Quoted message said:

On Jun 5, 11:27 am, Colin Campbell <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Grow up and use C02 or, better yet, convert your bike into a boat
> anchor and take up shuffleboard.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Exactly backward reasoning, in my opinion.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why would anyone who rides a bike (it's pretty good exercise, and usesa
lot of calories, I've heard) want or need to use a CO2 cartridge system?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

With a pump, you get to use more of your own energy to compress air to
fill your tire.  With a CO2 cartridge, you are using energy that was
undoubtedly produced by burning hydrocarbons.

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CO2 may be faster, but there's a big price for that.  If you like paying
it, go ahead.  But "real cyclists" are out there conserving the world's
energy resources by using their own energy, and as a reward, they get to
eat more goodies!

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Oh c'mon...let's not turn this into a referendum on the energy crisis.
The only cyclists still using pumps are luddites and "retrogrouches".
More power to 'em.  CO2 is a modern solution for modern cyclists using
modern frames.  Pump pegs are at the right place in terms of the
evolution of bicycles and equipement...obscure, "cute", and retro.  If
you want one on your frame, you SHOULD have to custom order it.  They
now belong in the "boneyard" along with gonfluers, hand-operated
derailluers, bar-mounted bottle cages, and "standard reach" brakes.
Yes, there is still a niche market for these things (ok, maybe not
gonfluers)  but they are not mainstream.

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Over many thousands of miles, I have used maybe 2 CO2 cartridges.  If
you take care of your tires, properly inflate them with a floor pump,
etc. it isn't like you will need to blow through a couple hundred CO2
cartridges every month.- Hide quoted text -

CO2 is fine except when things go really wrong.  A couple of weeks
ago, I sliced up a tire sidewall and blew the tube while in the middle
of nowhere.  I went to put in a spare (after finding an appropriate
boot) and after pumping it up, I realized it had a hole in it.  I
found the hole and patched it.  Repeat.  Damn, it had a second hole --
what was this thing doing in my seatbag?  I fix that.  Pump up the
tire, and the valve stem falls out.  It's the tube from hell!  So, now
I have two patches left and the original tube with a giant blow-out
hole that barely fits under a patch. I patched that, and it held --
thank God, I made it back to town and bought some new tubes and a
tire.

This is really more an object lesson about making sure you have good
tubes and a patch kit in your seatbag -- and maybe a cell phone.  But
because I had a frame pump, I was able to extricate myself from a bad
situation.  I would have blown through a CO2 cartride and been looking
for a ride.  Now, if it were just throwing in a spare, then CO2 would
have saved me from the PITA mini-pump (which is the only thing that
fits on the bike). -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text -

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I guess if you have defected spare tubes and don't know it, then not
having a pump could be a disaster. I never carry spares in my seatbag
due to the problems you allude to-- other object rubbing or poking
them. I carry 2 spares in my jersey pockets both of which I sometimes
test with the floor pump to make sure everything is still good to go.
In fact this is the only reason I have or use bike specific jerseys,
for the 3 stash pockets.

People need to check their repair equipment periodically. Pumps can
go bad and not function when you need them most. I once gave a ride
home to a guy that had a flat and one of those mini-pumps where the
pump head and vibrated loose long ago and he didn't realize it until
that very day. I've seen guys open their seatbags for the first time
in a long while and find rusted , inoperable equipment (e.g., chain
tools).

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The really trick way of carrying a pump is to have
your frame builder braze one or two pegs onto the
left seatstay, and mounting the pump along that.

Oh, that's a fashion tragedy!

I got tired of my top-tube mounted pump rattling over bumps, and I
didn't like the look of a Velcro strap. Then, I discovered that the
pump fit perfectly along the left seatstay, no pegs needed. the handle
end goes against the dropout, and the valve end nestles beween the
seatstay end and the seat tube. I drilled a small drain hole in the
handle end in case of rain. I bought the pump when I had my frame
repainted, and had the pump painted to match. You have to look pretty
hard to even see the thing.