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  1. VN: Evans said he attacked when he saw you suffering a little bit, how
    was it up the final part of the climb?

    LL: I don’t understand what Cadel was doing. People who win the Tour
    de France don’t race like that. He was just doing Alejandro’s job for
    him. Now he has second instead of third. You have to race to win and
    he wasn’t obviously doing that. I was clawing my way back at my own
    pace and I was close, but with about one kilometer from the summit,
    Cadel started to pull those guys. I just exploded a little bit and I
    think I lost about 30 seconds there. The Joux-Plane kind of rolls
    across the top and there’s another uphill section after the King of
    the Mountain banner. They had a little group going and I could see
    Szmyd attacking. It’s always easier in a group than going alone. By
    the time I hit the descent, I couldn’t see them anymore. I was going
    pretty fast, but when you’re by yourself on the descent, it’s
    different. I don’t know who was leading in that group, but Zubeldia
    and Valverde can really descend fast.

  2. On Jun 13, 1:32 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    VN: Evans said he attacked when he saw you suffering a little bit, how
    was it up the final part of the climb?

    LL: I don’t understand what Cadel was doing. People who win the Tour
    de France don’t race like that. He was just doing Alejandro’s job for
    him. Now he has second instead of third. You have to race to win and
    he wasn’t obviously doing that. I was clawing my way back at my own
    pace and I was close, but with about one kilometer from the summit,
    Cadel started to pull those guys. I just exploded a little bit and I
    think I lost about 30 seconds there. The Joux-Plane kind of rolls
    across the top and there’s another uphill section after the King of
    the Mountain banner. They had a little group going and I could see
    Szmyd attacking. It’s always easier in a group than going alone. By
    the time I hit the descent, I couldn’t see them anymore. I was going
    pretty fast, but when you’re by yourself on the descent, it’s
    different. I don’t know who was leading in that group, but Zubeldia
    and Valverde can really descend fast.

    "I suck at bike racing and hate people who are good at it."

  3. On Jun 13, 4:32 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    VN: Evans said he attacked when he saw you suffering a little bit, how
    was it up the final part of the climb?

    LL: I don’t understand what Cadel was doing. People who win the Tour
    de France don’t race like that. He was just doing Alejandro’s job for
    him. Now he has second instead of third. You have to race to win and
    he wasn’t obviously doing that. I was clawing my way back at my own
    pace and I was close, but with about one kilometer from the summit,
    Cadel started to pull those guys. I just exploded a little bit and I
    think I lost about 30 seconds there. The Joux-Plane kind of rolls
    across the top and there’s another uphill section after the King of
    the Mountain banner. They had a little group going and I could see
    Szmyd attacking. It’s always easier in a group than going alone. By
    the time I hit the descent, I couldn’t see them anymore. I was going
    pretty fast, but when you’re by yourself on the descent, it’s
    different. I don’t know who was leading in that group, but Zubeldia
    and Valverde can really descend fast.

    Ummm, okay.

    Jeg kan ikke forstå hva Cadel gjorde. Folk som vinner Tour
    de France ikke rase liker det. Han var bare gjør Alejandro jobb for
    ham. Nå har han andre i stedet for en tredjedel. Du har to race for å
    vinne og
    han var ikke åpenbart gjør det. Jeg var clawing vei tilbake på min
    egen
    tempo og jeg var nære, men med om lag en kilometer fra toppen,
    Cadel begynte å trekke disse fyrene. Jeg har akkurat eksplodert litt
    og jeg
    tror jeg tapte rundt 30 sekunder. Den Joux-Plane slags rundstykker
    øverst og det er en oppoverbakke delen etter King of
    fjellet banneret. De hadde en liten gruppe går og jeg kunne se
    Szmyd angripe. Det er alltid lettere i en gruppe enn å gå alene. Ved
    den tiden jeg trykke ned, jeg kunne ikke se dem lenger. Jeg skulle
    ganske raskt, men når du ved deg selv på den ned, det er
    annerledes. Jeg vet ikke som var ledende i denne gruppen, men Zubeldia
    og Valverde virkelig kan stige fort.

    R

  4. "My plans to suck wheels to stage race victory have taken a bit a
    hit."

  5. On Jun 13, 1:32 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    VN: Evans said he attacked when he saw you suffering a little bit, how
    was it up the final part of the climb?

    LL: I don’t understand what Cadel was doing. People who win the Tour
    de France don’t race like that. He was just doing Alejandro’s job for
    him. Now he has second instead of third. You have to race to win and
    he wasn’t obviously doing that. I was clawing my way back at my own
    pace and I was close, but with about one kilometer from the summit,
    Cadel started to pull those guys. I just exploded a little bit and I
    think I lost about 30 seconds there. The Joux-Plane kind of rolls
    across the top and there’s another uphill section after the King of
    the Mountain banner. They had a little group going and I could see
    Szmyd attacking. It’s always easier in a group than going alone. By
    the time I hit the descent, I couldn’t see them anymore. I was going
    pretty fast, but when you’re by yourself on the descent, it’s
    different. I don’t know who was leading in that group, but Zubeldia
    and Valverde can really descend fast.

    He's frustrated, seeing 2nd place slip away. He didn't like Cadel
    towing Valverde up the mountain, wanted him to attack Valverde instead
    of him (Leipheimer). It's a fine distinction, seems to me that moving
    from 3rd to 2nd is a good move, and Cadel says he can't beat Valverde
    anyway. At 34, Levi doesn't have a lot of time left to race at this
    level. No shame in that, it's just reality and he's had a hell of a
    run.

    -Paul

  6. RicodJour said:

    On Jun 13, 4:32 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    VN: Evans said he attacked when he saw you suffering a little bit, how
    was it up the final part of the climb?

    Quoted message said:

    LL: I don’t understand what Cadel was doing. People who win the Tour
    de France don’t race like that. He was just doing Alejandro’s job for
    him. Now he has second instead of third. You have to race to win and
    he wasn’t obviously doing that. I was clawing my way back at my own
    pace and I was close, but with about one kilometer from the summit,
    Cadel started to pull those guys. I just exploded a little bit and I
    think I lost about 30 seconds there. The Joux-Plane kind of rolls
    across the top and there’s another uphill section after the King of
    the Mountain banner. They had a little group going and I could see
    Szmyd attacking. It’s always easier in a group than going alone. By
    the time I hit the descent, I couldn’t see them anymore. I was going
    pretty fast, but when you’re by yourself on the descent, it’s
    different. I don’t know who was leading in that group, but Zubeldia
    and Valverde can really descend fast.

    Ummm, okay.

    Jeg kan ikke forstå hva Cadel gjorde. Folk som vinner Tour
    de France ikke rase liker det. Han var bare gjør Alejandro jobb for
    ham. Nå har han andre i stedet for en tredjedel. Du har to race for å
    vinne og
    han var ikke åpenbart gjør det. Jeg var clawing vei tilbake på min
    egen
    tempo og jeg var nære, men med om lag en kilometer fra toppen,
    Cadel begynte å trekke disse fyrene. Jeg har akkurat eksplodert litt
    og jeg
    tror jeg tapte rundt 30 sekunder. Den Joux-Plane slags rundstykker
    øverst og det er en oppoverbakke delen etter King of
    fjellet banneret. De hadde en liten gruppe går og jeg kunne se
    Szmyd angripe. Det er alltid lettere i en gruppe enn å gå alene. Ved
    den tiden jeg trykke ned, jeg kunne ikke se dem lenger. Jeg skulle
    ganske raskt, men når du ved deg selv på den ned, det er
    annerledes. Jeg vet ikke som var ledende i denne gruppen, men Zubeldia
    og Valverde virkelig kan stige fort.

    R

    Are you Norwegian? I have relatives in Bergen.
    -Paul

  7. On Jun 13, 10:32 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    VN: Evans said he attacked when he saw you suffering a little bit, how
    was it up the final part of the climb?

    LL: I don’t understand what Cadel was doing. People who win the Tour
    de France don’t race like that. He was just doing Alejandro’s job for
    him. Now he has second instead of third. You have to race to win and
    he wasn’t obviously doing that. I was clawing my way back at my own
    pace and I was close, but with about one kilometer from the summit,
    Cadel started to pull those guys. I just exploded a little bit and I
    think I lost about 30 seconds there. The Joux-Plane kind of rolls
    across the top and there’s another uphill section after the King of
    the Mountain banner. They had a little group going and I could see
    Szmyd attacking. It’s always easier in a group than going alone. By
    the time I hit the descent, I couldn’t see them anymore. I was going
    pretty fast, but when you’re by yourself on the descent, it’s
    different. I don’t know who was leading in that group, but Zubeldia
    and Valverde can really descend fast.

    After I retire, which is anytime now, I'm going to be a DS and you
    will be able to hear me complaining this way live during the race.

    -ilan

  8. Paul G. said:
    RicodJour said:

    On Jun 13, 4:32 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    VN: Evans said he attacked when he saw you suffering a little bit, how
    was it up the final part of the climb?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    LL: I don’t understand what Cadel was doing. People who win the Tour
    de France don’t race like that. He was just doing Alejandro’s job for
    him. Now he has second instead of third. You have to race to win and
    he wasn’t obviously doing that. I was clawing my way back at my own
    pace and I was close, but with about one kilometer from the summit,
    Cadel started to pull those guys. I just exploded a little bit and I
    think I lost about 30 seconds there. The Joux-Plane kind of rolls
    across the top and there’s another uphill section after the King of
    the Mountain banner. They had a little group going and I could see
    Szmyd attacking. It’s always easier in a group than going alone. By
    the time I hit the descent, I couldn’t see them anymore. I was going
    pretty fast, but when you’re by yourself on the descent, it’s
    different. I don’t know who was leading in that group, but Zubeldia
    and Valverde can really descend fast.

    Quoted message said:

    Ummm, okay.

    Quoted message said:

    Jeg kan ikke forstå hva Cadel gjorde. Folk som vinner Tour
    de France ikke rase liker det. Han var bare gjør Alejandro jobb for
    ham. Nå har han andre i stedet for en tredjedel. Du har to race for å
    vinne og
    han var ikke åpenbart gjør det. Jeg var clawing vei tilbake på min
    egen
    tempo og jeg var nære, men med om lag en kilometer fra toppen,
    Cadel begynte å trekke disse fyrene. Jeg har akkurat eksplodert litt
    og jeg
    tror jeg tapte rundt 30 sekunder. Den Joux-Plane slags rundstykker
    øverst og det er en oppoverbakke delen etter King of
    fjellet banneret. De hadde en liten gruppe går og jeg kunne se
    Szmyd angripe. Det er alltid lettere i en gruppe enn å gå alene. Ved
    den tiden jeg trykke ned, jeg kunne ikke se dem lenger. Jeg skulle
    ganske raskt, men når du ved deg selv på den ned, det er
    annerledes. Jeg vet ikke som var ledende i denne gruppen, men Zubeldia
    og Valverde virkelig kan stige fort.

    Are you Norwegian? I have relatives in Bergen.

    1). No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.
    2). No, but I had a Norwegian girlfriend from Bergen. Maybe she knows
    your relatives? Is a relative?
    3). No, Google's language tools take the credit.

    Two of the three are true.

    R

  9. RicodJour said:
    Paul G. said:
    RicodJour said:

    On Jun 13, 4:32 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > VN: Evans said he attacked when he saw you suffering a little bit, how
    > was it up the final part of the climb?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > LL: I don’t understand what Cadel was doing. People who win the Tour
    > de France don’t race like that. He was just doing Alejandro’s job for
    > him. Now he has second instead of third. You have to race to win and
    > he wasn’t obviously doing that. I was clawing my way back at my own
    > pace and I was close, but with about one kilometer from the summit,
    > Cadel started to pull those guys. I just exploded a little bit and I
    > think I lost about 30 seconds there. The Joux-Plane kind of rolls
    > across the top and there’s another uphill section after the King of
    > the Mountain banner. They had a little group going and I could see
    > Szmyd attacking. It’s always easier in a group than going alone. By
    > the time I hit the descent, I couldn’t see them anymore. I was going
    > pretty fast, but when you’re by yourself on the descent, it’s
    > different. I don’t know who was leading in that group, but Zubeldia
    > and Valverde can really descend fast.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ummm, okay.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Jeg kan ikke forstå hva Cadel gjorde. Folk som vinner Tour
    de France ikke rase liker det. Han var bare gjør Alejandro jobb for
    ham. Nå har han andre i stedet for en tredjedel. Du har to race for å
    vinne og
    han var ikke åpenbart gjør det. Jeg var clawing vei tilbake på min
    egen
    tempo og jeg var nære, men med om lag en kilometer fra toppen,
    Cadel begynte å trekke disse fyrene. Jeg har akkurat eksplodert litt
    og jeg
    tror jeg tapte rundt 30 sekunder. Den Joux-Plane slags rundstykker
    øverst og det er en oppoverbakke delen etter King of
    fjellet banneret. De hadde en liten gruppe går og jeg kunne se
    Szmyd angripe. Det er alltid lettere i en gruppe enn å gå alene. Ved
    den tiden jeg trykke ned, jeg kunne ikke se dem lenger. Jeg skulle
    ganske raskt, men når du ved deg selv på den ned, det er
    annerledes. Jeg vet ikke som var ledende i denne gruppen, men Zubeldia
    og Valverde virkelig kan stige fort.

    Quoted message said:

    Are you Norwegian? I have relatives in Bergen.

    1). No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.
    2). No, but I had a Norwegian girlfriend from Bergen. Maybe she knows
    your relatives? Is a relative?
    3). No, Google's language tools take the credit.

    Two of the three are true.

    R

    OK, your translation and Google's are identical, so I'll bet on 3 and
    2. Hope you got a chance to see Bergen, it's a beautiful city.
    -Paul

  10. RicodJour said:

    On Jun 13, 4:32 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    VN: Evans said he attacked when he saw you suffering a little bit, how
    was it up the final part of the climb?

    Quoted message said:

    LL: I don’t understand what Cadel was doing. People who win the Tour
    de France don’t race like that. He was just doing Alejandro’s job for
    him. Now he has second instead of third. You have to race to win and
    he wasn’t obviously doing that. I was clawing my way back at my own
    pace and I was close, but with about one kilometer from the summit,
    Cadel started to pull those guys. I just exploded a little bit and I
    think I lost about 30 seconds there. The Joux-Plane kind of rolls
    across the top and there’s another uphill section after the King of
    the Mountain banner. They had a little group going and I could see
    Szmyd attacking. It’s always easier in a group than going alone. By
    the time I hit the descent, I couldn’t see them anymore. I was going
    pretty fast, but when you’re by yourself on the descent, it’s
    different. I don’t know who was leading in that group, but Zubeldia
    and Valverde can really descend fast.

    Ummm, okay.

    Jeg kan ikke forstå hva Cadel gjorde. Folk som vinner Tour
    de France ikke rase liker det. Han var bare gjør Alejandro jobb for
    ham. Nå har han andre i stedet for en tredjedel. Du har to race for å
    vinne og
    han var ikke åpenbart gjør det. Jeg var clawing vei tilbake på min
    egen
    tempo og jeg var nære, men med om lag en kilometer fra toppen,
    Cadel begynte å trekke disse fyrene. Jeg har akkurat eksplodert litt
    og jeg
    tror jeg tapte rundt 30 sekunder. Den Joux-Plane slags rundstykker
    øverst og det er en oppoverbakke delen etter King of
    fjellet banneret. De hadde en liten gruppe går og jeg kunne se
    Szmyd angripe. Det er alltid lettere i en gruppe enn å gå alene. Ved
    den tiden jeg trykke ned, jeg kunne ikke se dem lenger. Jeg skulle
    ganske raskt, men når du ved deg selv på den ned, det er
    annerledes. Jeg vet ikke som var ledende i denne gruppen, men Zubeldia
    og Valverde virkelig kan stige fort.

    R

    When I read that with a refugee's accent, that actually made some
    sense!

    The bit about dinner rolls was confusing.

    Joseph

  11. RicodJour said:

    2). No, but I had a Norwegian girlfriend

    Did you end up sleeping in the bath alone ?

  12. Paul G. said:
    RicodJour said:
    Paul G. said:

    On Jun 13, 2:55 pm, RicodJour <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > On Jun 13, 4:32 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > VN: Evans said he attacked when he saw you suffering a little bit,how
    > > was it up the final part of the climb?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > LL: I don’t understand what Cadel was doing. People who win the Tour
    > > de France don’t race like that. He was just doing Alejandro’s job for
    > > him. Now he has second instead of third. You have to race to win and
    > > he wasn’t obviously doing that. I was clawing my way back at my own
    > > pace and I was close, but with about one kilometer from the summit,
    > > Cadel started to pull those guys. I just exploded a little bit andI
    > > think I lost about 30 seconds there. The Joux-Plane kind of rolls
    > > across the top and there’s another uphill section after the Kingof
    > > the Mountain banner. They had a little group going and I could see
    > > Szmyd attacking. It’s always easier in a group than going alone.By
    > > the time I hit the descent, I couldn’t see them anymore. I was going
    > > pretty fast, but when you’re by yourself on the descent, it’s
    > > different. I don’t know who was leading in that group, but Zubeldia
    > > and Valverde can really descend fast.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Ummm, okay.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Jeg kan ikke forstå hva Cadel gjorde. Folk som vinner Tour
    > de France ikke rase liker det. Han var bare gjør Alejandro jobb for
    > ham. Nå har han andre i stedet for en tredjedel. Du har to race for å
    > vinne og
    > han var ikke åpenbart gjør det. Jeg var clawing vei tilbake påmin
    > egen
    > tempo og jeg var nære, men med om lag en kilometer fra toppen,
    > Cadel begynte å trekke disse fyrene. Jeg har akkurat eksplodert litt
    > og jeg
    > tror jeg tapte rundt 30 sekunder. Den Joux-Plane slags rundstykker
    > øverst og det er en oppoverbakke delen etter King of
    > fjellet banneret. De hadde en liten gruppe går og jeg kunne se
    > Szmyd angripe. Det er alltid lettere i en gruppe enn å gå alene.Ved
    > den tiden jeg trykke ned, jeg kunne ikke se dem lenger. Jeg skulle
    > ganske raskt, men når du ved deg selv på den ned, det er
    > annerledes. Jeg vet ikke som var ledende i denne gruppen, men Zubeldia
    > og Valverde virkelig kan stige fort.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Are you Norwegian? I have relatives in Bergen.

    Quoted message said:

    1). No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.
    2). No, but I had a Norwegian girlfriend from Bergen. Maybe she knows
    your relatives? Is a relative?
    3). No, Google's language tools take the credit.

    Quoted message said:

    Two of the three are true.

    OK, your translation and Google's are identical, so I'll bet on 3 and
    2. Hope you got a chance to see Bergen, it's a beautiful city.

    I'm still hoping!

    R

  13. Donald Munro said:
    RicodJour said:

    2). No, but I had a Norwegian girlfriend

    Did you end up sleeping in the bath alone ?

    I heard a whooshing sound so I know something went right over my head.
    To paraphrase: "Huh?"

    R

  14. RicodJour schreef:

    Quoted message said:
    Donald Munro said:
    RicodJour said:

    2). No, but I had a Norwegian girlfriend


    Did you end up sleeping in the bath alone ?

    I heard a whooshing sound so I know something went right over my head.
    To paraphrase: "Huh?"

    Barbarian.

  15. John Forrest Tomlinson said:
    Ted van de Weteringe said:

    RicodJour schreef:

    Quoted message said:

    I heard a whooshing sound so I know something went right over my head.
    To paraphrase: "Huh?"

    Barbarian.

    Whoa. Those Beatles were some messed up dudes.

    Dopers too.

  16. Ted van de Weteringe said:

    RicodJour schreef:

    Quoted message said:
    Donald Munro said:

    RicodJour wrote:
    > 2). No, but I had a Norwegian girlfriend
    Did you end up sleeping in the bath alone ?

    Quoted message said:

    I heard a whooshing sound so I know something went right over my head.
    To paraphrase: "Huh?"

    Barbarian.

    I make it a point never to try to understand the words in songs.
    Especially from those newer wrapper bands.

    It was very interesting to see the biggest band in the world get into
    a station wagon to leave the stadium. What did the smaller bands use
    for getaway vehicles - bicycles?

    R

  17. On Jun 13, 10:32 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    VN: Evans said he attacked when he saw you suffering a little bit, how
    was it up the final part of the climb?

    LL: I don’t understand what Cadel was doing. People who win the Tour
    de France don’t race like that. He was just doing Alejandro’s job for
    him. Now he has second instead of third. You have to race to win and
    he wasn’t obviously doing that. I was clawing my way back at my own
    pace and I was close, but with about one kilometer from the summit,
    Cadel started to pull those guys. I just exploded a little bit and I
    think I lost about 30 seconds there. The Joux-Plane kind of rolls
    across the top and there’s another uphill section after the King of
    the Mountain banner. They had a little group going and I could see
    Szmyd attacking. It’s always easier in a group than going alone. By
    the time I hit the descent, I couldn’t see them anymore. I was going
    pretty fast, but when you’re by yourself on the descent, it’s
    different. I don’t know who was leading in that group, but Zubeldia
    and Valverde can really descend fast.

    Since being denied the Tour de France, he was focusing his season on
    winning the Dauphine, but that fell through after the invitation to
    the Giro and Contador's performance there. Now he's just venting.

    -ilan

  18. Quoted message said:

    On Jun 13, 10:32 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    VN: Evans said he attacked when he saw you suffering a little bit, how
    was it up the final part of the climb?

    Quoted message said:

    LL: I don’t understand what Cadel was doing. People who win the Tour
    de France don’t race like that. He was just doing Alejandro’s job for
    him. Now he has second instead of third. You have to race to win and
    he wasn’t obviously doing that. I was clawing my way back at my own
    pace and I was close, but with about one kilometer from the summit,
    Cadel started to pull those guys. I just exploded a little bit and I
    think I lost about 30 seconds there. The Joux-Plane kind of rolls
    across the top and there’s another uphill section after the King of
    the Mountain banner. They had a little group going and I could see
    Szmyd attacking. It’s always easier in a group than going alone. By
    the time I hit the descent, I couldn’t see them anymore. I was going
    pretty fast, but when you’re by yourself on the descent, it’s
    different. I don’t know who was leading in that group, but Zubeldia
    and Valverde can really descend fast.

    Since being denied the Tour de France, he was focusing his season on
    winning the Dauphine, but that fell through after the invitation to
    the Giro and Contador's performance there. Now he's just venting.

    But there's still the Vuelta...oh. Never mind.

    R

  19. John Forrest Tomlinson said:
    John Forrest Tomlinson said:
    Ted van de Weteringe said:

    RicodJour schreef:
    > I heard a whooshing sound so I know something went right over my head.
    > To paraphrase: "Huh?"
    Barbarian.


    Whoa. Those Beatles were some messed up dudes.

    Dopers too.

    No, Dope wasn't invented until the mid-nineties. That's how we know Greg
    Lemond was clean.

  20. Fred Fredburger said:


    No, Dope wasn't invented until the mid-nineties. That's how we know Greg
    Lemond was clean.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    I thought it was because he's the cycling second coming and said so.
    Goes well with his many spectral Tour victories. Of course he won more
    than Lance he just wasn't there for some of them, and did it all on
    pure spirit alone.
    Bill C

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