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City Of London Police admit selective enforcement.

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  1. The cops admit selective policing, sorry for length:

    "Ralph Smyth asked DP how many FPNs had been issued to motorists.

    DP replied that no FPNs had been issued to motorists as part of Op
    Alto."

    Below are the minutes of the City Police Road Safety Forum which took
    place in February of this year. Sorry for the delay in forwarding and
    adding some comments, first below then in square brackes in the
    minutes
    further down..

    The point which seems to have rekindled the red light "debate" on
    this
    egroup has been wrongly reported: City Police did not issue FPNs
    (penalties) to drivers during their operation because they were
    concentrating on cyclists and NOT because no drivers were observed
    breaking the law.

    The claim in the police powerpoint that cyclists jumping lights was
    one
    of the main causes of cyclists being injured is incorrect - see the
    stat's on the City Cyclists website.

    Further the police seem to be
    ignoring most of the offences which take place by focusing only on
    some
    of the specific offences created in legislation (e.g. obeying traffic
    signals but they tend to ignore zebra crossings) and ignoring the
    general offences of driving (or cycling) dangerously/without due
    care/
    inconsiderately.

    The cyclists who call for more targetting of drivers breaching ASLs as
    a
    response to the proposed campaign against cyclists - in some sort of
    [censored]-for-tat enforcement war - are really missing the point. These
    short campaigns are not going to change hearts and minds of drivers
    and
    cyclists and will just produce "regression to mean" within a month or
    so, i.e. the number of contraventions will gradually return to
    previous
    levels.

    I have some more comments and background which I'll forward later.

    Regards

    Ralph
    =======

    City of London Road Safety Forum – 6th February 2008

    MINUTES

    Panel Members

    Superintendent Lorraine Cussen – COLP (LC)
    Inspector Dave Aspinall – COLP (DA)
    Sergeant Dave Prashner – COLP (DP)
    Police Constable Antony Wolfson – COLP (AW)
    Alan Rickwood – COLP (AR)
    Matthew Collins – COLC, Road Safety Team (MC)
    Simon Phillips – COLC, Policy Officer, Dept of Planning and Transport
    (SP)

    Unknown Cyclist
    Said that there were a minority of cyclists that gave the rest a bad
    name and that a crack down on them was needed.
    He asked whether we could have a summary of the recent Road Safety
    Campaign (Op Alto), run in January 2008.

    DP gave a brief summary of the operation, including the fact that 231
    fixed penalty notices (FPNs) had been issued to cyclists. He also
    explained that a post operation survey of the junction of Cheapside
    and
    Queen Street had shown a significant reduction in the number of
    offences, when compared to prior to the operation.

    Ralph Smyth asked DP how many FPNs had been issued to motorists.

    DP replied that no FPNs had been issued to motorists as part of Op
    Alto.

  2. spindrift said:

    The cops admit selective policing, sorry for length:

    No problem. I have snipped down to the bare essentials without losing
    sight of context.

    Quoted message said:

    "Ralph Smyth asked DP how many FPNs had been issued to motorists.

    Quoted message said:

    DP replied that no FPNs had been issued to motorists as part of Op
    Alto."

    Is that the same as "no FPNs had been issued to motorists"?

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