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Edward Dolan said:

[...] Furthermore, we Americans are only half civilized.[...]

Sometimes Ed gets it.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Edward Dolan said:

[...] Furthermore, we Americans are only half civilized.[...]

Sometimes Ed gets it.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Edward Dolan said:

[...] Furthermore, we Americans are only half civilized.[...]

Sometimes Ed gets it.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

DennisTheBald said:

Quoted message said:

DennisTheBald
For years now the levels of carbon monoxide emitted by new automobiles in
the US (sorry, don't know about other countries) has been so low that if you
fire up your (1980 or newer) Buick in a three car or a one car garage, it
will never kill you. See:http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1273253
This result may or may not be able to be extrapolated to the big ball we
live on.
Kerry

I notice that you don't go so far as to say that car exhaust is
actually good for a body, good for you (doing so would have blown your
cover, you auto-industrial complex shill you;-). I'm still somewhat
incredulous, despite your citation.[...]

When I drive downtown, the exhaust from my ULEV certified Honda Civic is
lower in HC, CO and NOx than the ambient air.

Quoted message said:

[...] Also your cited report was created in 1981 testing 1980 model
chevys - I suspect that the same 1980 models would produce much more
CO if tested today. The late 70's were a period of peak
environmentalist activity, but with the 80s came Reaganomics and that
whole "greed is good" thing. Today the CDC recommends that you <not/>
operate a motor vehicle in your garage: http://www.cdc.gov/co/faqs.htm
- I believe this page to have been updated since 1981.[...]

Of course, a 21st Century ULEV vehicle has a much cleaner exhaust than a
1980 Chevrolet.

Of course, some new vehicles are much dirtier than others. I can put my
face by the tailpipe on my car while it is running and not smell
anything, while the 2008 Ford F-150 fleet vehicles I occasionally drive
produce noticeable smoke and odor, even while one standing a few feet
away and the vehicle is outdoors.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

DennisTheBald said:

Quoted message said:

DennisTheBald
For years now the levels of carbon monoxide emitted by new automobiles in
the US (sorry, don't know about other countries) has been so low that if you
fire up your (1980 or newer) Buick in a three car or a one car garage, it
will never kill you. See:http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1273253
This result may or may not be able to be extrapolated to the big ball we
live on.
Kerry

I notice that you don't go so far as to say that car exhaust is
actually good for a body, good for you (doing so would have blown your
cover, you auto-industrial complex shill you;-). I'm still somewhat
incredulous, despite your citation.[...]

When I drive downtown, the exhaust from my ULEV certified Honda Civic is
lower in HC, CO and NOx than the ambient air.

Quoted message said:

[...] Also your cited report was created in 1981 testing 1980 model
chevys - I suspect that the same 1980 models would produce much more
CO if tested today. The late 70's were a period of peak
environmentalist activity, but with the 80s came Reaganomics and that
whole "greed is good" thing. Today the CDC recommends that you <not/>
operate a motor vehicle in your garage: http://www.cdc.gov/co/faqs.htm
- I believe this page to have been updated since 1981.[...]

Of course, a 21st Century ULEV vehicle has a much cleaner exhaust than a
1980 Chevrolet.

Of course, some new vehicles are much dirtier than others. I can put my
face by the tailpipe on my car while it is running and not smell
anything, while the 2008 Ford F-150 fleet vehicles I occasionally drive
produce noticeable smoke and odor, even while one standing a few feet
away and the vehicle is outdoors.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

DennisTheBald said:

Quoted message said:

DennisTheBald
For years now the levels of carbon monoxide emitted by new automobiles in
the US (sorry, don't know about other countries) has been so low that if you
fire up your (1980 or newer) Buick in a three car or a one car garage, it
will never kill you. See:http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1273253
This result may or may not be able to be extrapolated to the big ball we
live on.
Kerry

I notice that you don't go so far as to say that car exhaust is
actually good for a body, good for you (doing so would have blown your
cover, you auto-industrial complex shill you;-). I'm still somewhat
incredulous, despite your citation.[...]

When I drive downtown, the exhaust from my ULEV certified Honda Civic is
lower in HC, CO and NOx than the ambient air.

Quoted message said:

[...] Also your cited report was created in 1981 testing 1980 model
chevys - I suspect that the same 1980 models would produce much more
CO if tested today. The late 70's were a period of peak
environmentalist activity, but with the 80s came Reaganomics and that
whole "greed is good" thing. Today the CDC recommends that you <not/>
operate a motor vehicle in your garage: http://www.cdc.gov/co/faqs.htm
- I believe this page to have been updated since 1981.[...]

Of course, a 21st Century ULEV vehicle has a much cleaner exhaust than a
1980 Chevrolet.

Of course, some new vehicles are much dirtier than others. I can put my
face by the tailpipe on my car while it is running and not smell
anything, while the 2008 Ford F-150 fleet vehicles I occasionally drive
produce noticeable smoke and odor, even while one standing a few feet
away and the vehicle is outdoors.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Edward Dolan said:

For heaven's sakes, the only way to kill yourself is to go down to your dirt
floor basement and hang yourself from the rafters. No one has any sense of
style anymore. Either do it right, or don't do it at all!

Check out this intersection:
<http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Lone+Rock&state=WI&country=US&latitude=43.1833&longitude=-90.1978&geocode=CITY#a/maps/l:::Lone+Rock:WI::US:43.1833:-90.1978:city:/m:hyb:12:43.161737:-90.19582:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e>.
While not obvious from an aerial view, the bluff on the south side of
the Wisconsin River has an almost vertical rock face that starts just a
few feet beyond the edge of the pavement. Every so often, there is a
single vehicle "accident" that involved a vehicle coming across the
bridge at high speed and failing to stop at the "T" intersection.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Edward Dolan said:

For heaven's sakes, the only way to kill yourself is to go down to your dirt
floor basement and hang yourself from the rafters. No one has any sense of
style anymore. Either do it right, or don't do it at all!

Check out this intersection:
<http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Lone+Rock&state=WI&country=US&latitude=43.1833&longitude=-90.1978&geocode=CITY#a/maps/l:::Lone+Rock:WI::US:43.1833:-90.1978:city:/m:hyb:12:43.161737:-90.19582:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e>.
While not obvious from an aerial view, the bluff on the south side of
the Wisconsin River has an almost vertical rock face that starts just a
few feet beyond the edge of the pavement. Every so often, there is a
single vehicle "accident" that involved a vehicle coming across the
bridge at high speed and failing to stop at the "T" intersection.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Edward Dolan said:

For heaven's sakes, the only way to kill yourself is to go down to your dirt
floor basement and hang yourself from the rafters. No one has any sense of
style anymore. Either do it right, or don't do it at all!

Check out this intersection:
<http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Lone+Rock&state=WI&country=US&latitude=43.1833&longitude=-90.1978&geocode=CITY#a/maps/l:::Lone+Rock:WI::US:43.1833:-90.1978:city:/m:hyb:12:43.161737:-90.19582:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e>.
While not obvious from an aerial view, the bluff on the south side of
the Wisconsin River has an almost vertical rock face that starts just a
few feet beyond the edge of the pavement. Every so often, there is a
single vehicle "accident" that involved a vehicle coming across the
bridge at high speed and failing to stop at the "T" intersection.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Wilson who? said:

[...]
My cycling career has been clear of injury from a road bike/recumbent
standpoint. The only times I can remember going down were those
embarrasing can't get out of the clips fast enough falls in front of a
crowd. But for a brief time I got into single trac mountain bike
riding. It was remarkable in that I would be bleeding after just about
every ride. I rode with a small group which included a plastic
surgeon. Over time he got work from most of us. The irony is he had an
over the bar face plant requiring more plastic surgery than the rest of
us put together. All of this was definately guy stuff.[...]

If you are not bleeding after a MTB ride, you are not trying hard enough.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Wilson who? said:

[...]
My cycling career has been clear of injury from a road bike/recumbent
standpoint. The only times I can remember going down were those
embarrasing can't get out of the clips fast enough falls in front of a
crowd. But for a brief time I got into single trac mountain bike
riding. It was remarkable in that I would be bleeding after just about
every ride. I rode with a small group which included a plastic
surgeon. Over time he got work from most of us. The irony is he had an
over the bar face plant requiring more plastic surgery than the rest of
us put together. All of this was definately guy stuff.[...]

If you are not bleeding after a MTB ride, you are not trying hard enough.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Wilson who? said:

[...]
My cycling career has been clear of injury from a road bike/recumbent
standpoint. The only times I can remember going down were those
embarrasing can't get out of the clips fast enough falls in front of a
crowd. But for a brief time I got into single trac mountain bike
riding. It was remarkable in that I would be bleeding after just about
every ride. I rode with a small group which included a plastic
surgeon. Over time he got work from most of us. The irony is he had an
over the bar face plant requiring more plastic surgery than the rest of
us put together. All of this was definately guy stuff.[...]

If you are not bleeding after a MTB ride, you are not trying hard enough.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Edward Dolan said:

"Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was one of this world's champion hikers, sometime 15 miles a day and
this was in the mountains. I did that for some 10 years all over the
country on almost a daily basis when I was in my 30's. I don't think I
ever did anything dangerous, but hikers get into trouble all the time for
one reason or another. I never was a strong person, so I had to take care
of myself. Hells Bells, if I had known I was going to live so long, I
would have taken better care of myself.

Ah you were a professional hiker. Very good.
When I was in my thirties I wanted to be a professional bicycle tourist
and photographer. I was unable to find sponsorship. Or more correctly,
sponsorship was unable to find me.

You don't need any sponsorship as long as you are unmarried and willing to
remain poor all of your life. I take pride in being poor the way some guys
take pride in being rich. In any event, it was very inexpensive to travel in
the 60's and 70's.

To get my perspective on life, read Jon Krakauer's "Into the Wild". When you
are young, you should only be into adventure, not money and jobs or marriage
and children. Ugh![...]

Ed is full of it. He is a member of the inherited wealth (admittedly
quite limited in his case) slacker class. He advocates a life style that
is not available to most, while deliberately failing to point this out.

If Ed in his life had to work to keep from being homeless and starving,
it would have greatly improved his personality.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Edward Dolan said:

"Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was one of this world's champion hikers, sometime 15 miles a day and
this was in the mountains. I did that for some 10 years all over the
country on almost a daily basis when I was in my 30's. I don't think I
ever did anything dangerous, but hikers get into trouble all the time for
one reason or another. I never was a strong person, so I had to take care
of myself. Hells Bells, if I had known I was going to live so long, I
would have taken better care of myself.

Ah you were a professional hiker. Very good.
When I was in my thirties I wanted to be a professional bicycle tourist
and photographer. I was unable to find sponsorship. Or more correctly,
sponsorship was unable to find me.

You don't need any sponsorship as long as you are unmarried and willing to
remain poor all of your life. I take pride in being poor the way some guys
take pride in being rich. In any event, it was very inexpensive to travel in
the 60's and 70's.

To get my perspective on life, read Jon Krakauer's "Into the Wild". When you
are young, you should only be into adventure, not money and jobs or marriage
and children. Ugh![...]

Ed is full of it. He is a member of the inherited wealth (admittedly
quite limited in his case) slacker class. He advocates a life style that
is not available to most, while deliberately failing to point this out.

If Ed in his life had to work to keep from being homeless and starving,
it would have greatly improved his personality.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Edward Dolan said:

"Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was one of this world's champion hikers, sometime 15 miles a day and
this was in the mountains. I did that for some 10 years all over the
country on almost a daily basis when I was in my 30's. I don't think I
ever did anything dangerous, but hikers get into trouble all the time for
one reason or another. I never was a strong person, so I had to take care
of myself. Hells Bells, if I had known I was going to live so long, I
would have taken better care of myself.

Ah you were a professional hiker. Very good.
When I was in my thirties I wanted to be a professional bicycle tourist
and photographer. I was unable to find sponsorship. Or more correctly,
sponsorship was unable to find me.

You don't need any sponsorship as long as you are unmarried and willing to
remain poor all of your life. I take pride in being poor the way some guys
take pride in being rich. In any event, it was very inexpensive to travel in
the 60's and 70's.

To get my perspective on life, read Jon Krakauer's "Into the Wild". When you
are young, you should only be into adventure, not money and jobs or marriage
and children. Ugh![...]

Ed is full of it. He is a member of the inherited wealth (admittedly
quite limited in his case) slacker class. He advocates a life style that
is not available to most, while deliberately failing to point this out.

If Ed in his life had to work to keep from being homeless and starving,
it would have greatly improved his personality.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Edward Dolan said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan said:

For heaven's sakes, the only way to kill yourself is to go down to your
dirt floor basement and hang yourself from the rafters. No one has any
sense of style anymore. Either do it right, or don't do it at all!

Check out this intersection:
<http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Lone+Rock&state=WI&country=US&latitude=43.1833&longitude=-90.1978&geocode=CITY#a/maps/l:::Lone+Rock:WI::US:43.1833:-90.1978:city:/m:hyb:12:43.161737:-90.19582:0::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e>.
While not obvious from an aerial view, the bluff on the south side of the
Wisconsin River has an almost vertical rock face that starts just a few
feet beyond the edge of the pavement. Every so often, there is a single
vehicle "accident" that involved a vehicle coming across the bridge at
high speed and failing to stop at the "T" intersection.

Tom, this is overkill and you have to learn to cease and desist from it. No
one, but one one, is interested in this kind of detail.

[WARNING - MORBID TOPIC]

To get back on topic, the area one the north side of the river is quite
flat [1] and the only curve leaving the village is quite gradual. In a
fully faired streamliner recumbent, a reasonably strong rider could
obtain sufficient speed to produce a fatal collision with the rock wall.

[1] See
<http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=13&Z=15&X=455&Y=2989&W=2&qs=%7clone+rock%7cwi%7c>.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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