Weird reciprocating drive

Rick Onanian said:

Went to buy a digital camera as a christmas present. On the way back, saw something weird.
Couldn't find my own digital camera while driving, but I was able to get the new one out of the
box and running, to take a few pictures of this.

I saw, strapped to the back of a car, a bike with what must have been some sort of reciprocating
drive. It was a road bike. It had very long cranks, which were NOT offset from eachother by 180
degrees, but instead were parallel to eachother. There was a sprocket on each side of the wheel.
On each side, also, was a short, un-joined section of chain going from an assembly above the
pedals, wrapped around the sprocket, and terminating in a cable; I wasn't able to see where the
cable went, but it appeared to go past the BB.

A picture is at members.cox.net4.jpgOpen ↗

You can see that 7 links are visible on the bottom and 8 show on the top. At the top, they
terminate in a bracket; at the bottom, although you can't see it in the picture, the chain becomes
a cable. The cable appeared to go PAST the BB and up the DT; and you can see in the picture that
there's two pieces of hardware hanging from the DT about halfway up.

What IS this crazy contraption, why would anybody ride it, and where do you find a frame with 6
inches clearance between the seat tube and the wheel?

Evidently he thinks he is going to put out a lot of power at least if you start counting all the
spokes he put on those wheels 😉

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Rick Onanian said:

Went to buy a digital camera as a christmas present. On the way back, saw something weird.
Couldn't find my own digital camera while driving, but I was able to get the new one out of the
box and running, to take a few pictures of this.

I saw, strapped to the back of a car, a bike with what must have been some sort of reciprocating
drive. It was a road bike. It had very long cranks, which were NOT offset from eachother by 180
degrees, but instead were parallel to eachother. There was a sprocket on each side of the wheel.
On each side, also, was a short, un-joined section of chain going from an assembly above the
pedals, wrapped around the sprocket, and terminating in a cable; I wasn't able to see where the
cable went, but it appeared to go past the BB.

A picture is at members.cox.net4.jpgOpen ↗

You can see that 7 links are visible on the bottom and 8 show on the top. At the top, they
terminate in a bracket; at the bottom, although you can't see it in the picture, the chain becomes
a cable. The cable appeared to go PAST the BB and up the DT; and you can see in the picture that
there's two pieces of hardware hanging from the DT about halfway up.

What IS this crazy contraption, why would anybody ride it, and where do you find a frame with 6
inches clearance between the seat tube and the wheel?

That's an Alenax, probably late '70s vintage. A guy at the shop has one of those squirrelled away.

There is a separate freewheel on each side of the rear hub, and a short length of chain. The upper
end of the chain attaches to the arms connected to the cranks. The lower end connects to a spring.

When you let up on the pedal, the spring pulls the chain back so the crank goes up to its top
position again.

I believe there's also a cable and pulley that makes one crank go up while the other is being
pushed down.

This is actually quite an old idea, originating in the 1880s with the American Star.

It's a solution to an imaginary problem, gets re-invented every generation or two.

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Rick Onanian said:

.... What IS this crazy contraption, why would anybody ride it, and where do you find a frame with
6 inches clearance between the seat tube and the wheel?

Having briefly ridden an Alenax bicycle, I would say it is the type of bike that could be fun to
have around as a curiosity if one can be found for a low price. I would not plan on using it for any
serious riding, however.

The treadle motion is similar to that of some exercise machines. Getting started is harder than on a
regular bicycle and the acceptable cadence range is smaller than with a conventional crank.

Tom Sherman - 41 N, 90 W

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A StairMaster on wheels!

Looks like that's one solution to the "continuously-variable gearing" thread...just slide the
cable's attachment point on the lever arm.
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Sheldon Brown said:

Rick Onanian said:

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That's an Alenax, probably late '70s vintage. A guy at the shop has one of those squirrelled away.

There is a separate freewheel on each side of the rear hub, and a short length of chain. The upper
end of the chain attaches to the arms connected to the cranks. The lower end connects to a spring.

When you let up on the pedal, the spring pulls the chain back so the crank goes up to its top
position again.

OIC...I could see on the bike that there were separate freewheels on each side (indeed, I described
that way) and I considered how they would be independent as I thought about it; but I completely
missed that the pedals could be operated independently. I didn't think outside the standard BB.

Well, that ought to be easier to ride than what I thought, where the cranks stayed parallel. I
couldn't imagine it being possible to ride jumping down with both feet at the same time, over and
over again.

Quoted message said:

I believe there's also a cable and pulley that makes one crank go up while the other is being
pushed down.

That may explain the stuff hanging from the DT.

Quoted message said:

This is actually quite an old idea, originating in the 1880s with the American Star.

It's a solution to an imaginary problem, gets re-invented every generation or two.

Sheldon "Cycle History" Brown +-----------------------------------------+
| If a fool would persist in his folly, | he would become wise. | --William Blake |
+-----------------------------------------+

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Per Elmsäter said:

Evidently he thinks he is going to put out a lot of power at least if > you start counting all the
spokes he put on those wheels 😉

36 spokes are not an excessively high number - 9 of the 11 wheels I have are 36 spoke.

Tom Sherman - 41 N, 90 W

Sheldon Brown wrote:

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This is actually quite an old idea, originating in the 1880s with the American Star.

It's a solution to an imaginary problem, gets re-invented every generation or two.

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I believe there were a few Scottish guys messing around with rear-wheel drive treadle bikes around
1836, which actually pre-dates the boneshaker/highwheeler era.

When the American Star came out, it was by then a (bad) solution to a real problem: front-wheel
drive bikes.

Thank god for Starley.

Robert

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Quoted message said:

Went to buy a digital camera as a christmas present. On the way back, saw something weird.
Couldn't find my own digital camera while driving, but I was able to get the new one out of the
box and running, to take a few pictures of this.

I saw, strapped to the back of a car, a bike with what must have been some sort of reciprocating
drive. It was a road bike. It had very long cranks, which were NOT offset from eachother by 180
degrees, but instead were parallel to eachother. There was a sprocket on each side of the wheel.
On each side, also, was a short, un-joined section of chain going from an assembly above the
pedals, wrapped around the sprocket, and terminating in a cable; I wasn't able to see where the
cable went, but it appeared to go past the BB.

A picture is at members.cox.net4.jpgOpen ↗

You can see that 7 links are visible on the bottom and 8 show on the top. At the top, they
terminate in a bracket; at the bottom, although you can't see it in the picture, the chain becomes
a cable. The cable appeared to go PAST the BB and up the DT; and you can see in the picture that
there's two pieces of hardware hanging from the DT about halfway up.

It looks like the pedals go up and down (as you speculated), pulling on the chain on the down
stroke, and then recovering with a ratchet mechanism in the rear hub. The gearing must be changed by
sliding the anchor point up and down in that cage behind the seat tube.

What the supposed advantage might be, I can't imagine except that it must be to eliminate the small
dead spot in a normal pedaling circle.

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What IS this crazy contraption, why would anybody ride it, and where do you find a frame with 6
inches clearance between the seat tube and the wheel?

I'll bet it has to be a custom frame.

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Rick Onanian said:

Went to buy a digital camera as a christmas present. On the way back, saw something weird.
Couldn't find my own digital camera while driving, but I was able to get the new one out of the
box and running, to take a few pictures of this.

I saw, strapped to the back of a car, a bike with what must have been some sort of reciprocating
drive. It was a road bike. It had very long cranks, which were NOT offset from eachother by 180
degrees, but instead were parallel to eachother. There was a sprocket on each side of the wheel.
On each side, also, was a short, un-joined section of chain going from an assembly above the
pedals, wrapped around the sprocket, and terminating in a cable; I wasn't able to see where the
cable went, but it appeared to go past the BB.

A picture is at members.cox.net4.jpgOpen ↗

You can see that 7 links are visible on the bottom and 8 show on the top. At the top, they
terminate in a bracket; at the bottom, although you can't see it in the picture, the chain
becomes a cable. The cable appeared to go PAST the BB and up the DT; and you can see in the
picture that there's two pieces of hardware hanging from the DT about halfway up.

What IS this crazy contraption, why would anybody ride it, and where do you find a frame with 6
inches clearance between the seat tube and the wheel?

Evidently he thinks he is going to put out a lot of power at least if you start counting all the
spokes he put on those wheels 😉

With those long crank arms, I imagine he could put some pretty high torques into the rear wheel. Or
maybe he just weighs 300 lbs and wants to avoid wheel problems.

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Rick Onanian <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Went to buy a digital camera as a christmas present. On the way back, saw something weird.
Couldn't find my own digital camera while driving, but I was able to get the new one out of the
box and running, to take a few pictures of this.

I saw, strapped to the back of a car, a bike with what must have been some sort of reciprocating
drive. It was a road bike. It had very long cranks, which were NOT offset from eachother by 180
degrees, but instead were parallel to eachother. There was a sprocket on each side of the wheel.
On each side, also, was a short, un-joined section of chain going from an assembly above the
pedals, wrapped around the sprocket, and terminating in a cable; I wasn't able to see where the
cable went, but it appeared to go past the BB.

A picture is at members.cox.net4.jpgOpen ↗

You can see that 7 links are visible on the bottom and 8 show on the top. At the top, they
terminate in a bracket; at the bottom, although you can't see it in the picture, the chain becomes
a cable. The cable appeared to go PAST the BB and up the DT; and you can see in the picture that
there's two pieces of hardware hanging from the DT about halfway up.

What IS this crazy contraption, why would anybody ride it, and where do you find a frame with 6
inches clearance between the seat tube and the wheel?

Dear Rick,

I dunno, but I suspect that something like it can be found in Berto's "Dancing Chain" or Sharp's
"Bicycles and Tricycles." Treadle-drive?

Thanks for a perfect excuse to demand copies of both books for Christmas.

Carl Fogel

Rick Onanian <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Went to buy a digital camera as a christmas present. On the way back, saw something weird.
Couldn't find my own digital camera while driving, but I was able to get the new one out of the
box and running, to take a few pictures of this.

I saw, strapped to the back of a car, a bike with what must have been some sort of reciprocating
drive. It was a road bike. It had very long cranks, which were NOT offset from eachother by 180
degrees, but instead were parallel to eachother. There was a sprocket on each side of the wheel.
On each side, also, was a short, un-joined section of chain going from an assembly above the
pedals, wrapped around the sprocket, and terminating in a cable; I wasn't able to see where the
cable went, but it appeared to go past the BB.

A picture is at members.cox.net4.jpgOpen ↗

You can see that 7 links are visible on the bottom and 8 show on the top. At the top, they
terminate in a bracket; at the bottom, although you can't see it in the picture, the chain becomes
a cable. The cable appeared to go PAST the BB and up the DT; and you can see in the picture that
there's two pieces of hardware hanging from the DT about halfway up.

What IS this crazy contraption, why would anybody ride it, and where do you find a frame with 6
inches clearance between the seat tube and the wheel?

Dear Rick,

Once it was identified as an Alenax, it became fairly easy to find a page like this, where a bemused
owner mentions some of its less obvious peculiarities:

eandsweb.combikes.cgiOpen ↗

Carl Fogel

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:28:05 -0500, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

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Sheldon Brown said:

When you let up on the pedal, the spring pulls the chain back so the crank goes up to its top
position again.

OIC...I could see on the bike that there were separate freewheels on each side (indeed, I described
that way) and I considered how they would be independent as I thought about it; but I completely
missed that the pedals could be operated independently. I didn't think outside the standard BB.

Well, that ought to be easier to ride than what I thought, where the cranks stayed parallel. I
couldn't imagine it being possible to ride jumping down with both feet at the same time, over and
over again.

Indeed. The early versions of the Alenax allowed both pedals to be depressed at the same time...and
this makes it very difficult to traverse bumps and avoid obstructions while standing, since you
can't keep one pedal up in that case.

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Quoted message said:

I believe there's also a cable and pulley that makes one crank go up while the other is being
pushed down.

That may explain the stuff hanging from the DT.

Quoted message said:

This is actually quite an old idea, originating in the 1880s with the American Star.

It's a solution to an imaginary problem, gets re-invented every generation or two.

In a museum in Britain about 15 years ago, I saw a 19th-century high-wheel bike with a similar drive
system that used a pair of leather straps. It permitted a higher wheel than could be employed with a
standard crank. The idea, then, is over a century old.

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Rick Onanian wrote:

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I saw, strapped to the back of a car, a bike with what must have been some sort of reciprocating
drive. It was a road bike. It had very long cranks, which were NOT offset from eachother by 180
degrees, but instead were parallel to eachother.

-snip- Alenax, mentioned here before.

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