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  1. alienator said:

    I once dated a girl who was anti-podiatrist. Damn if she didn't have ugly feet.


    Did you caress her callouses?

    alienator said:

    I don't think you can be enjoying the ride of your sparkly fuschia CAAD9. After all, it's been announced that all aluminum frames ride stiff.

    It's not Fuschia, more like a blue tinged light red, and the sparkly bits are just from my failed attempts at vagazzling. If I understand correctly, I can't possibly enjoy riding my bike. My entire world has been turned upside down. I'm going to go and wear my Orc suit.

  2. GT Fanatic said:

    To each his/her own. The OP wanted opinions, and my opinion was that it was a rough riding bicycle. That's what was asked for. Some people may not have issues with the Caad, and that's great, but I personally found it to be "busy."

    As for trying it with new wheels, I don't think the LBS was going to be willing to put a different set of wheels on it for a test ride.

    And prove me wrong. Oh, wait, that's right, you've been trying to do that in every single thread you've posted a reply back at me in. So far, so bad. Aluminum is a very stiff material, hence the reason for carbon seat-stays and forks. Please, educate all of us, Great One. After all, you must know something. I mean, you have 5000+ post counts! No doubt, during that 5000+ post counts you've accumulated enough knowledge to know how to operate the Space Shuttle; but I'm going to guess most of those 5000 posts were made following people around and TRYING to "correct" them, or simply just arguing and posting useless drivel towards anyone who disagrees with you.

    So anyway, how'bout that proof that aluminum bikes DON'T have a tendency to ride rougher than their steel and carbon counterparts; we're waiting.

    Farking hell. Did the 'one handed clapping school' let the idiots out early today or what?

    Aluminium is not a stiff materal, it's about 1/3 as stiff as steel in its pure state. FACT. That said, it's always alloyed with other metals when used for structural purposes so it may or may not be stiffer than pure aluminum when used.

    Yes, I'm using both English and American spellings, just because your brain is devoid of intellegence and you seem easily confused.

    What makes aluminum frames stiff is the design, not the material. Since you appear to be a nujack devoid of cycling history (or even basic common sense for that matter) lets take a look at the good ol' Vitus 979 which is quite possibly the most flexible frame ever built... and made from a wonderous aluminum alloy.

    Mmmmm shiny.
    [IMG]oldfartcycling.orgvitus complete small.jpg[/IMG]

    Nice Mavic groupset and a rare find of a 25.0mm seatpost. Most Vitus frames has the hidous fluted posts that looked like sh1t after two months. Stronglight made a Campag C-Record look-a-like aero post too but it weighed more than a big sack of spuds.

    Note - aluminum frame with non-oversized tubes. Remember that aluminium isn't as stiff as steel and as the Vitus used standard (compared to steel frames on teh day) outside diameter tubing it was more flexable than nearly all steel frames produced at the time.

    I used to have a 60cm bronze 979. The term flex-a-noodle springs to mind. Of course, it couldn't possibly be flexible because you've stated that all aluminium frames are stiff.

    Frame design (modern racing bikes have shorter chainstays than 'comfier' touring or recreational bikes - CAAD9 Vs the comfy Synapse) has more of a deciding factor in comfort than the material. Tire width and pressure have the greatest effect on comfort. Your saddle will flex more than a frame ever will, unless you have a softride beam doo-hicky contraption (being a nu-jack you wouldn't know about these either), so look into changing that before damning a frame. Rider positioning too - the more weight over the back wheel - the more you feel. It's the same principle as shifting your weight off the front wheel when going over bumps. Touring frames with their long chainstays effectively move the back wheel from under the rider slightly. Mmmm comfy.

    Dolt. Cretin. [censored]... Yes, I'm being kind. That 'misconception' rock you've been hiding under, can you go back to it again?

  3. swampy1970 said:

    Farking hell. Did the 'one handed clapping school' let the idiots out early today or what?

    Aluminium is not a stiff materal, it's about 1/3 as stiff as steel in its pure state. FACT. That said, it's always alloyed with other metals when used for structural purposes so it may or may not be stiffer than pure aluminum when used.

    Yes, I'm using both English and American spellings, just because your brain is devoid of intellegence and you seem easily confused.

    What makes aluminum frames stiff is the design, not the material. Since you appear to be a nujack devoid of cycling history (or even basic common sense for that matter) lets take a look at the good ol' Vitus 979 which is quite possibly the most flexible frame ever built... and made from a wonderous aluminum alloy.

    Mmmmm shiny.
    [IMG]oldfartcycling.orgvitus complete small.jpg[/IMG]

    Nice Mavic groupset and a rare find of a 25.0mm seatpost. Most Vitus frames has the hidous fluted posts that looked like sh1t after two months. Stronglight made a Campag C-Record look-a-like aero post too but it weighed more than a big sack of spuds.

    Note - aluminum frame with non-oversized tubes. Remember that aluminium isn't as stiff as steel and as the Vitus used standard (compared to steel frames on teh day) outside diameter tubing it was more flexable than nearly all steel frames produced at the time.

    I used to have a 60cm bronze 979. The term flex-a-noodle springs to mind. Of course, it couldn't possibly be flexible because you've stated that all aluminium frames are stiff.

    Frame design (modern racing bikes have shorter chainstays than 'comfier' touring or recreational bikes - CAAD9 Vs the comfy Synapse) has more of a deciding factor in comfort than the material. Tire width and pressure have the greatest effect on comfort. Your saddle will flex more than a frame ever will, unless you have a softride beam doo-hicky contraption (being a nu-jack you wouldn't know about these either), so look into changing that before damning a frame. Rider positioning too - the more weight over the back wheel - the more you feel. It's the same principle as shifting your weight off the front wheel when going over bumps. Touring frames with their long chainstays effectively move the back wheel from under the rider slightly. Mmmm comfy.

    Dolt. Cretin. [censored]... Yes, I'm being kind. That 'misconception' rock you've been hiding under, can you go back to it again?

    Yep, you're one of Alienator's inbreeded sheep...

  4. Inbreeded? Really?

  5. taniwha said:

    Did you caress her callouses?

    I chewed them for a bit, but she wasn't that into it. See, she's really into orcs, and I refused to buying an orc suit. Freakin' hobbits.

  6. alienator said:

    Inbreeded? Really?

    Most certainly. The idiocy you two share amongst each other is almost uncanny. The two of you have the "Captain Obvious" syndrome. There's certainly a pattern going on here of repeating what's already been said, and what's already common knowledge.

    "Aluminum is softer than steel in its pure state." 🙄 Really? NO FARKING WAY! SAY IT AIN'T SO! Wow, what a dumbass. Then, just like you, he goes off into some retarded rant, THINKING he sounds intelligent; just like you.

    But it doesn't stop there. He tries to pump up his balls by littering his thread with lame insults...just like you.

    Now, I understand there are always going to be sorry little gimps hiding behind their Hewlett-Packards ready to deal out insults, hence the reason I just find the two of you to be mere entertainment. The most entertaining part about people such as him (and yourself) is that you both get all worked up over issues that were never personal attacks to begin with. It's then that you both show your true mental states, which are quite frankly, amusing for all, but only to a point. At one point, the stupidity factor just drowns out the entertainment factor.

    You see, all I have to do is disagree with you (and your [censored] friend) and you both just go off. It's like kick-starting an old moped and watching it sputter itself out.

    Honestly, I've enjoyed BOTH of your posts, because it allows everyone to sit back and ponder how you two were the ones that "made it" when you two were conceived. It only leaves the mystery as to how dumb the other "swimmers" who failed actually were.

  7. GT Fanatic said:

    and your [censored] friend

    Now I've been staying out of this (mainly because I never actually came across a cigarette butt), but c'mon.... [censored] ?? No need for that. What if my little kid is 'mentally challenged'. I'd be pretty hurt by that.

  8. swampy1970 said:

    Dolt. Cretin. [censored]... Yes, I'm being kind. That 'misconception' rock you've been hiding under, can you go back to it again?

    Taken from post #42.

    gman0482 said:

    Now I've been staying out of this (mainly because I never actually came across a cigarette butt), but c'mon.... [censored] ?? No need for that. What if my little kid is 'mentally challenged'. I'd be pretty hurt by that.

    No need for that? Then place the blame on the original offender. I simply returned the favor.

  9. alienator said:

    I chewed them for a bit, but she wasn't that into it. See, she's really into orcs, and I refused to buying an orc suit. Freakin' hobbits.

    A bit of Orc love never hurt anyone, although I always find that latex suit a bit of a sweatbath and prone to causing fungal infections. You should have persisted with her, those hairy feet....

  10. GT Fanatic said:

    Taken from post #42.

    No need for that? Then place the blame on the original offender. I simply returned the favor.

    I like your anger, can I come over and give you a massage?

  11. taniwha said:

    A bit of Orc love never hurt anyone, although I always find that latex suit a bit of a sweatbath and prone to causing fungal infections. You should have persisted with her, those hairy feet....

    His father went through that and stressed to him at a very young age to NOT follow in his footsteps. Good move on his part.

  12. taniwha said:

    I like your anger, can I come over and give you a massage?

    I'm not angry. I simply sympathize.

  13. GT Fanatic said:

    His father went through that and stressed to him at a very young age to NOT follow in his footsteps. Good move on his part.

    What precisely is "that"?

    Monkeys and typewriters.

  14. taniwha said:

    What precisely is "that"?

    Monkeys and typewriters.

    Exactly. Use your head. Oh, that's right...nevermind.

  15. GT Fanatic said:

    Most certainly. The idiocy you two share amongst each other is almost uncanny. The two of you have the "Captain Obvious" syndrome. There's certainly a pattern going on here of repeating what's already been said, and what's already common knowledge.

    "Aluminum is softer than steel in its pure state." 🙄 Really? NO FARKING WAY! SAY IT AIN'T SO! Wow, what a dumbass. Then, just like you, he goes off into some retarded rant, THINKING he sounds intelligent; just like you.

    But it doesn't stop there. He tries to pump up his balls by littering his thread with lame insults...just like you.

    Now, I understand there are always going to be sorry little gimps hiding behind their Hewlett-Packards ready to deal out insults, hence the reason I just find the two of you to be mere entertainment. The most entertaining part about people such as him (and yourself) is that you both get all worked up over issues that were never personal attacks to begin with. It's then that you both show your true mental states, which are quite frankly, amusing for all, but only to a point. At one point, the stupidity factor just drowns out the entertainment factor.

    You see, all I have to do is disagree with you (and your [censored] friend) and you both just go off. It's like kick-starting an old moped and watching it sputter itself out.

    Honestly, I've enjoyed BOTH of your posts, because it allows everyone to sit back and ponder how you two were the ones that "made it" when you two were conceived. It only leaves the mystery as to how dumb the other "swimmers" who failed actually were.

    So, you're saying that "obvious" things are things pointed out by others that demonstrated you had no clue about which you were talking, right? See, to date you've shown an appalling tendency to state "facts" which aren't facts at all. In a great many posts, as far as the tech goes, you're not just off the page, you're on the floor, under a shoe with what you express as "facts." And when such errors are pointed out, you take the "thinking man's route," and try to insult people by saying something about their parents or insinuating something about them because of the state in which they live (uhm, Missouri). You can't seem to respond to anything on point. Oh, where did you get such sharp skills of critical thought and such a deep foundation of technical knowledge?

    How is it that you know what "everyone" is thinking? How do you know you don't have it backwards, eh?

    It's good that you pointed out that Swampy must be one of my followers. Maybe that means he wants to be an acolyte. I'll send him an application and information packet in the mail. Hopefully he'll return the app in time to be accepted to my 2010-11 class of Loyal Acolytes and Willing Foot Massagers.

  16. alienator said:

    So, you're saying that "obvious" things are things pointed out by others that demonstrated you had no clue about which you were talking, right? See, to date you've shown an appalling tendency to state "facts" which aren't facts at all. In a great many posts, as far as the tech goes, you're not just off the page, you're on the floor, under a shoe with what you express as "facts." And when such errors are pointed out, you take the "thinking man's route," and try to insult people by saying something about their parents or insinuating something about them because of the state in which they live (uhm, Missouri). You can't seem to respond to anything on point. Oh, where did you get such sharp skills of critical thought and such a deep foundation of technical knowledge?

    How is it that you know what "everyone" is thinking? How do you know you don't have it backwards, eh?

    It's good that you pointed out that Swampy must be one of my followers. Maybe that means he wants to be an acolyte. I'll send him an application and information packet in the mail. Hopefully he'll return the app in time to be accepted to my 2010-11 class of Loyal Acolytes and Willing Foot Massagers.

    I insulted Missouri? For Christ's sake, you dufus, I LIVE in West Virginia.

    I got my sharp skills of critical thought and such a deep foundation of technical knowledge from you. That's why you keep asking me questions about what I mean.

    Can you send me an info packet, too? Watching you teach the sheep your ways would be like watching a 1-legged ass-kicking contest.

  17. GT Fanatic said:

    I insulted Missouri? For Christ's sake, you dufus, I LIVE in West Virginia.

    I got my sharp skills of critical thought and such a deep foundation of technical knowledge from you. That's why you keep asking me questions about what I mean.

    Can you send me an info packet, too? Watching you teach the sheep your ways would be like watching a 1-legged ass-kicking contest.

    LOL!!!!!! This is great stuff. Keep it up GT!!! At least all of this has made my day much more humorous if not yours! I'm still laughing!!!

  18. GT Fanatic said:

    I insulted Missouri? For Christ's sake, you dufus, I LIVE in West Virginia.

    I got my sharp skills of critical thought and such a deep foundation of technical knowledge from you. That's why you keep asking me questions about what I mean.

    Can you send me an info packet, too? Watching you teach the sheep your ways would be like watching a 1-legged ass-kicking contest.

    You can acutally kick-ass with one leg. Your insults are as weak and as incorrect as your knowledge of bikes.

    I wonder if your mother cries at night and leaves her wondering if the sperm that could have lead to an intellegent child dribbled down her a$s crack and stained the sheets...

  19. Froze said:

    LOL!!!!!! This is great stuff. Keep it up GT!!! At least all of this has made my day much more humorous if not yours! I'm still laughing!!!

    Froze, how can you NOT be entertained? It's like watching two monkeys trying with a chemistry set. Like I said in an earlier post in one of these threads that Alienator and another one of chronies were trying to following me around in, "It's like kick-starting an old moped and watching it sputter itself out." Just wind'em up and watch'em go, just like the Energizer Bunny.

    swampy1970 said:

    You can acutally kick-ass with one leg. Your insults are as weak and as incorrect as your knowledge of bikes.

    I wonder if your mother cries at night and leaves her wondering if the sperm that could have lead to an intellegent child dribbled down her a$s crack and stained the sheets...

    Nice try, ass-breeze. Didn't I nearly say something to that effect about you and your bed-buddy a few posts ago? You remember the comment about being puzzled how dumb the other sperm were, considering you were the one that made it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I DID post something to that effect!

    If you're going to try to insult me (or my mother), AT LEAST...and I stress, AT LEAST, be original...

  20. GT Fanatic said:

    Froze, how can you NOT be entertained? It's like watching two monkeys trying with a chemistry set. Like I said in an earlier post in one of these threads that Alienator and another one of chronies were trying to following me around in, "It's like kick-starting an old moped and watching it sputter itself out." Just wind'em up and watch'em go, just like the Energizer Bunny.

    Nice try, ass-breeze. Didn't I nearly say something to that effect about you and your bed-buddy a few posts ago? You remember the comment about being puzzled how dumb the other sperm were, considering you were the one that made it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I DID post something to that effect!

    If you're going to try to insult me (or my mother), AT LEAST...and I stress, AT LEAST, be original...

    Awww, poor didums can't take the fact that he can't figure out a simple thing like "why some bikes are stiff" and takes to further name calling.

    I wasn't insulting your mother - I was sympathizing with her. Pity you couldn't figure that one out either.

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