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Stymied by HR

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  1. Ok, I am a fairly fit 51 year old recreational road cyclist, and although I have never raced, I have often been members of clubs and log 3-5000 miles of riding a year. I slack off in the winter, don't ride the wind trainer much, and gain 15-20 lbs typically.

    This year, for the first time, I have been using a HR monitor consistently since the Spring, and am mildly alarmed that what I see seems to defy conventional wisdom for safe HR zones. Over the years I have occasionally worn a monitor, and always observed relatively high rates while riding briskly. At present I have the max HR alarm set at 175 bpm, and on a typical ride of 25-40 miles, exceed that at least 8-10 times per ride. I have a good sense of my body, have a resting HR in the low 50s, and while riding definitely see a correlation between going anaerobic and my observed rates of 172 to 182 (and sometimes higher). Over the course of a typical ride, where my effort is determined by how I feel, not what is on the monitor, I see a fairly consistent average for the ride of 164-166, a range I maintain most of the time when I glance down. The max recorded rate is always in the 182-188 range.

    Now conventional wisdom tells me I am riding at around 97% of my max HR, but it is where I am comfortable. As I climb into the 170's and higher, I can feel I am going anaerobic, but I do it regularly, sprinting to make intersections, or to get up a couple of nasty climbs in my area with my gearing. I recover back down into the 160's quickly, and typically remain there for the bulk of my ride.

    My question is whether anyone else out there has a similar experience? I value how I feel much more than the numbers on the gadget, but am curious.

    Sorry for the long windedness, and this well covered topic in other posts.

    John

  2. johnoz->I really would not be concerned by the fluctuations in your HR while riding as HR is quite variable as for myself my HR can fluctuate alot for any given ride, environment and readiness. If though you are worried cause you are experiencing chest pains, shortness of breath or simply want ease of mind when hitting these numbers than you should see your doctor and explain what is going on. Only a doctor can tell you if your HR going above the 175 often during a ride is any indication of something.

    -js

  3. Quoted post said:

    Originally Posted by johnoz [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]My question is whether anyone else out there has a similar experience? I value how I feel much more than the numbers on the gadget, but am curious.....


    Yes, I'm 50 and my HR is regularly above 170 in long time trials and maxes out above 190 during hard fast racing. The commonly published HR charts or age based formulas have never been accurate in my case nor that of many of the athletes I work with.

    Don't take HR charts too seriously, if you must train with HR (I did for years and personally wouldn't go down that road again) then base it on what you can actually do either by determining your Threshold HR (roughly what you average for the last 20 to 30 minutes of a long sustained full out effort like a long time trial) instead of your max HR. But either way base it on your actual capabilities not what some formula or chart tells you.

    -Dave

  4. Thanks. That's just the reassurance I needed.

  5. Quoted post said:

    Originally Posted by johnoz [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]
    This year, for the first time, I have been using a HR monitor consistently since the Spring, and am mildly alarmed that what I see seems to defy conventional wisdom for safe HR zones.


    You are not alone on this issue.
    A number of years ago I too used the HRM as a limiter to fitness as well with the same concerns, but there were guys like Dave and another top notch coach on this forum, Ric Stern, that were responding to others why using a HRM is the not the best choice.

    It took a while to convince me as I watched these responses to others to realize that I was not really progressing because I was scared of going over on the zones and my Garmin would sound the alarm on the rides constantly as I would try to keep up with the group. I am not sure if this was sound advice, but Ric posted after a thread went on for days with people debating over the use of the HRM and he said something like, "I've never had a client have a heart attack because I pushed them a harder than their set heart rate zones." That is when I started reading more about using a power meter instead and my HRM straps have not been used since. There was a period that I did not have a power meter and could not convince my wife of the purchase so I used RPE (perception) instead. Dr. Coggan has a chart somewhere describing the physical characteristics of each metabolic zone.

    As Dave said I too will not go down that road again. If I had to give up my power meter I will go back to using perception.

  6. While I agree with everyone that heart rate is not the best guide to training ...

    Professionals tend to have lower heart rates for the same power output than non-professionals. So one could expect that with proper training that one's heart rate will decrease.

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