Cyclists/elitism?

So that was you 😉

Hogger's not going to approve of you guys, now.

Digibud, carbon fiber does everything better. I love my carbon fiber. But steel will always make you a stronger rider. You should try graduating up to steel, you just might learn something.

Alienator, the great thing about this country is that anyone has the freedom to express themselves freely. I have the right not to give s*** about those opinions.

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Originally Posted by rclouviere [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

I've been cycling now for about 5 years; after running for many years. I really enjoy cycling, but there doesn't seem to be the same attitude between cyclists and runners. Other runners seem much more supportive, friendly, etc. I know this is a pretty broad statement, and I have clearly seen many very friendly, supportive cyclists, but there are quite a few cyclists that seem to think of themselves as better than others. Is this just me? Does this have to do with spending lots of money on bikes/equipment?

I don't think it has much to do with spending on equipment, I met a guy on a derosa king 3RS and he was pretty decent in helping out when i got a flat the one time I left my CO2 at home, and I waved to a guy on some old steel beater and he gave me he death glare maybe my marin stelvio just didn't compare to his steel beater 😄

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Originally Posted by hogger453 [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

But steel will always make you a stronger rider.

It's a shame there is not a single fact, not one iota of truth in that statement. Nope. None. Nada. Zip. It is great fantasy, though.

Training or riding a lot can make you a stronger rider. A bike material absolutely does not.

Dude you are stupid.

In fact you're statement is as stupid as you and dosn't even need an explanation.

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Originally Posted by hogger453 [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

Dude you are stupid.

In fact you're statement is as stupid as you and dosn't even need an explanation.

Please bless all with facts about how steel bikes will always make you a stronger rider. I would suggest you actually use scientific, engineering, and/or materials science facts. Go ahead.

C'mon, hogger, you can do it. Let's see you shining intellect at work.

I take it you don't own a steel bike? I'll take the riders of the 70's and 80' s and put 'em up against any of the current riders.

Engineering and scientific, you can flush them down the toilet. Riding a bike is all about feel. I'm just old school.

Steel bikes weigh more, they are not as stiff, take more upper body strenght to control, takes more effort to ride at the same pace as CF, twice the effort in the hills.

After a week of riding on the Colnago Super Saronni, I'll get back on the CF my Look 585 which is the best bike I have ever ridden and it's absolulty effortless. It like I'm not even riding, just floating. I never get as tired as I do on steel.

So yes, steel will make you a stronger rider. In fact I can't wait for the sun to come up and take her out. I just got some great vintage shoes to try out.

Take the HRM, computer, engineering and scientific BS and flush 'em down the toilet.

Riding a bike is about the love and feel.

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Originally Posted by hogger453 [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

I take it you don't own a steel bike? I'll take the riders of the 70's and 80' s and put 'em up against any of the current riders.

Engineering and scientific, you can flush them down the toilet. Riding a bike is all about feel. I'm just old school.

Steel bikes weigh more, they are not as stiff, take more upper body strenght to control, takes more effort to ride at the same pace as CF, twice the effort in the hills.

After a week of riding on the Colnago Super Saronni, I'll get back on the CF my Look 585 which is the best bike I have ever ridden and it's absolulty effortless. It like I'm not even riding, just floating. I never get as tired as I do on steel.

So yes, steel will make you a stronger rider. In fact I can't wait for the sun to come up and take her out. I just got some great vintage shoes to try out.

Take the HRM, computer, engineering and scientific BS and flush 'em down the toilet.

Riding a bike is about the love and feel.

I see: by flushing science and engineering, you can escape having to use facts! Awesome! Twice the effort up hills, eh? Well, I guess you're another person who doesn't know how to figure such things. FYI, twice the effort uphill is roughly going to require a bike/rider combo weight about twice what the non-steel riding bike/rider combo will be!

Just floating! I'll bet. Heck, I bet you don't even have to pedal your 585 up the hills! I have to hold the brakes on my 595 to keep it from rocketing into orbit when I go uphill!

It's a joy having you here now since the cross-dresser from Chicago disappeared and the lunie from Houston doesn't come round any more! The lowest common denominator was in danger of going up, but your arrival has assured the gallery that you'll lower that common denominator much more than people imagine!

You're going to be great fun and provide a generous target for much laughter! Thanks, hogger!

Besides a Raleigh I had a long time and a custom Paramount, as well as a few other steel bikes....uhm, none of the other bikes I've owned have been steel. I guess you got me there, you warm, fuzzy, cuddly man! God, I wish we could just hug and talk about the good ol' days you had in your delusions, my little honey pot.

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Originally Posted by alienator [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

Please bless all with facts about how steel bikes will always make you a stronger rider. I would suggest you actually use scientific, engineering, and/or materials science facts. Go ahead.

C'mon, hogger, you can do it. Let's see you shining intellect at work.

Perhaps I can help you.

There is the fact of the placebo. Your new bike will make you stronger.

There is the fact of the familiar: Your current bike will make you stronger.

There is the fact of the subjective: Your opinion of which bike to train with will make you stronger.

There is the fact of the internet: Riding on the internet will make you stronger.

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Some elitists will demand certain types of facts/proof and completely ignore the ones available.

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Originally Posted by An old Guy [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

Perhaps I can help you.

There is the fact of the placebo. Your new bike will make you stronger.

There is the fact of the familiar: Your current bike will make you stronger.

There is the fact of the subjective: Your opinion of which bike to train with will make you stronger.

There is the fact of the internet: Riding on the internet will make you stronger.

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Some elitists will demand certain types of facts/proof and completely ignore the ones available.

That is a common scenario.

Thank you for keeping me entertained guys. Keep riding as fast as you can, all the science and engineering still won't make you a cyclist, and be so involved in all the BS because you know the only ones you're impressing is yourselves and playing out exactly what the OP is talking about.

It's a shame their is a vision strain on your faces everytime you get on your bikes and completly lose sight of the ride and the beauty of the bicycle.

Enough of this BS. Going for a ride, maybe meet some new people. You guys should try it.

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Originally Posted by hogger453 [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

Definitly not think the ones OK with you. I vision the whole world cycling. 25 years of riding and I can see right through your post.

When's the last time you actually got on a bike and enjoyed a ride? Or stopped you precious training ride to help another in distress. Every ride has to be a team jearsey ride?

You rodies are so f***** in the head.

Seriously, a sweeping "roadies" generalization?

Seems like anyone who rides for some other reasons than you prescribe, or doesn't ride a bike worthy of your own measure isn't worth the time of day - for the most part all we know about one another on this forum is what we read.

I know that my circuit times have gone down (speed is up) on a newer CF bike compared to the old steel bike. And when I ride the old one it does seem to take more effort to ride the same distance. Likely that many factors are involved, both physical and psychological as described above.

I suppose that if I were constrained to a specific distance (you can only ride 10 miles today) I could burn more calories if I rode old steely. Or I could ride the CF faster.

Who knows? Who cares? There, I feel stronger.

By the way, I feel like I've not properly introduced myself. As I am starting to weigh in on these fascinating subjects at my own peril I would be remiss to not give you a few tidbits about myself (perhaps I missed the introduction section of the site).

- I'm old (52)
- I don't cross dress
- I don't know Jerry Sandusky so don't ask
- I do ride a bike and enjoy it so far (been pushing myself hard for about 4 months now)
- I don't know [censored] about bikes other than the pedals go round and round and I go woosh down the road
- I did fall down like an idiot 3 times when I first used clips and cleats
- I like fast cars and have owned several (all black)
- When I work late I like to see what's up on the forum

I think that any cyclist who thinks he has the right to tell other cyclists whether or not they are "real" cyclists is an elitist.

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Originally Posted by Myosmith [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

I think that any cyclist who thinks he has the right to tell other cyclists whether or not they are "real" cyclists is an elitist.

That works for me.

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Originally Posted by Myosmith [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

I think that any cyclist who thinks he has the right to tell other cyclists whether or not they are "real" cyclists is an elitist.

That or just one arrogant SOB. which is not necessarily the same. 🙂