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Being Right is not Fundamental

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  1. Many people think it's fundamentally important that each person's beliefs are supported by the evidence available to them, even if they include personal experiences as "evidence". I challenge this on ethical grounds. In many situations, a person can hold a dubious belief without negative consequences. The belief might even interact with their psychology in beneficial ways. Therefore, debates should proceed in the following manner:

    1. The defendant gives a proposition.

    2. The opponent challenges that the proposition is not supported, AND that believing the dubious proposition could have negative consequences.
    These consequences could involve: providing justification for harmful actions, hindering the progress of society, et cetera.

    3. The defendant counterargues one of the following:
    the proposition is in fact supported;
    even if it's misconcieved, it's a benign misconception;
    the belief has a direct psychological benefit that outweighs the potential for unforeseen harm.

    Next time somebody challenges one of your beliefs, remember that the opponent has the burden of showing that your choice might actually be important, i.e. the burden of importance.

  2. Finally! Another "I am thinking of taking up cycling again for weight loss and a bit of commuting - which bottle cage?" thread and I would start chewing handlebar tape... [IMG]files.cyclingforums.combig smile.png[/IMG]

    Quote: the belief has a direct psychological benefit

    [SIZE=20px]Beneficial how?[/SIZE] [IMG]files.cyclingforums.combig smile.png[/IMG]


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  3. [quote]Originally Posted by Volnix

    [SIZE=20px]Beneficial how?[/SIZE] [IMG]files.cyclingforums.combig smile.png[/IMG]

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    For example, even if that little girl is getting a hip-replacement, she might feel better believing it's only a tonsils-removal. Only she knows how she feels about it, so she should believe whatever she likes.

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    Originally Posted by urge2kill

    For example, even if that little girl is getting a hip-replacement, she might feel better believing it's only a tonsils-removal. Only she knows how she feels about it, so she should believe whatever she likes.

    U2K, c'mon... He's gonna start the briefing! [IMG]files.cyclingforums.combig smile.png[/IMG] (You in the army yet??? [IMG]files.cyclingforums.combig smile.png[/IMG])

    "He he he [IMG]files.cyclingforums.combig smile.png[/IMG], say man, agree to this ... You might be 5-0, "Controversial!" [IMG]files.cyclingforums.combig smile.png[/IMG]

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  5. Did someone say controversial?

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    This is blatantly offensive to rednecks.

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    Originally Posted by urge2kill
    This is blatantly offensive to rednecks.

    ...and a cool song it is too. [IMG]files.cyclingforums.comwink.png[/IMG]

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  7. That was inappropriate. Old habits are hard to break.

    I don't like that particular song. Folk music is ruined when you reduce it to guitar and solo vocals, and the electric guitar barely revived it. The rest of that Dead Brothers album, Wunderkammer, is a good blend of traditional instruments with electric guitar.
    But if you want manly, try the Magnetic Fields. Damn, you know just from the album cover of the chick with the rifle that this is music for a true alpha male. *beats chest* [IMG]files.cyclingforums.combig smile.png[/IMG]

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  8. I think I heard something like that in a ferry once... [IMG]files.cyclingforums.combig smile.png[/IMG]

  9. Would you listen to it, at a car show?
    Would you listen to it, with a compound bow?

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  12. Subject/object dyslexia

    Did your dog give it to the vet anally or orally? There it goes again!

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    Originally Posted by urge2kill
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    Behaaaaaaaaave! [IMG]files.cyclingforums.combig smile.png[/IMG]

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  14. I added more after that. Unfortunately, our creepy military rendered my play on words rather disturbing.

  15. Well, I was technically -in- the ferry, as my cabin had no windows...

    But I was also -on- the ferry.

    -In- the ferry, there were a few music halls. With Live Music!

    Since the "clientele" were truck drivers, potheads (it was going to Holland) and duty free booze shoppers, the music was Marilyn Monroe lookalikes, some creepy variété types etc.

    It was that ferry. It was a good ferry.

    I had a whole bottle of martini with some oranges that I had in my back pack for breakfast. Or was that another ferry? [IMG]files.cyclingforums.combig smile.png[/IMG]

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  16. But have you ever had a Colt 45 Malt Liquor? Sorry showing my age.

  17. I seem to be meeting a lot of creeps lately.

    It's harshing my buzz! [IMG]files.cyclingforums.comsad.png[/IMG]

  18. That sounds like a dangerous beer. I'm sober (since last night), but I might give it a taste (for 15 seconds without stopping).

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    Religion is Hedonistic
    Hedonism is often misrepresented as indiscriminate indulgence when in fact, many hedonistic philosophies consider long-term consequences, and an ethical hedonist places the happiness of the whole over his own. The sole unifying thread is the inherent value of certain mental states, and many religions are in fact hedonistic. A Christian abstains from certain pleasures in hopes of obtaining a pleasurable afterlife. A Buddhist abstains from indulgence because she believes it perpetuates the wheel of samsara, the sufferings of the world. Both are essentially hedonistic.

  19. Quoted post said:

    Originally Posted by urge2kill
    That sounds like a dangerous beer. I'm sober (since last night), but I might give it a taste (for 15 seconds without stopping).

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    Religion is Hedonistic
    Hedonism is often misrepresented as indiscriminate indulgence when in fact, many hedonistic philosophies consider long-term consequences, and an ethical hedonist places the happiness of the whole over his own. The sole unifying thread is the inherent value of certain mental states, and many religions are in fact hedonistic. A Christian abstains from certain pleasures in hopes of obtaining a pleasurable afterlife. A Buddhist abstains from indulgence because she believes it perpetuates the wheel of samsara, the sufferings of the world. Both are essentially hedonistic.


    Hmmm.

    Hedonism doesn't form any part of the Christian notion of the afterlife.

    On the other hand, Islam teaches that the afterlife can include 72 virgins in their afterlife in certain circumstances.
    (I'm not singling out Islam btw, just saying that some religions do actually account for hedonism in the afterlife).

  20. It's implied that the person will be happy (pleased) in heaven, albeit perhaps a yet unknown kind of pleasure. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to want heaven.

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