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  1. Arkansas Childrens Hospital Physicians Pioneer Use of Insulin Pump for Diabetic Newborn

    (Little Rock, Arkansas - August 3, 2000) -- Physicians at Arkansas Children's Hospital are using an
    insulin pump to control diabetes in a 10-day-old boy, believed to be the youngest-ever to utilize
    the device.

    Born July 22, 2000, Maverick Colt Roe was diagnosed with neonatal diabetes after his blood glucose
    levels soared to extreme levels within his first few hours of life. Due to limited diet and
    inactivity, newborns typically register low blood sugar readings. Maverick's levels, however, spiked
    above 1,000 milligrams per deciliter - more than 10 times the normal range.

    Doctors initially treated Maverick with intravenous insulin and then insulin injections, but his
    blood glucose levels continued to fluctuate wildly, sinking as low as 20 and soaring beyond the
    meter's register. ACH has had good results using insulin pumps on toddlers whose glucose was
    difficult to maintain, according to pediatric endocrinologist Dr. Paul Frindik, so the decision was
    made to try the technology with Maverick. Experts believe it is the first use of an insulin pump in
    such a young infant. After just two days, the insulin pump has stabilized Maverick's blood glucose
    level to around 128.

    Neonatal diabetes occurs when immature pancreas cells are unable to produce the insulin that's
    necessary for delivering nutrients throughout the body. It is a rare condition with only three cases
    treated in 30 years at Arkansas Children's Hospital, according to Dr. Robert Arrington, medical
    director of the hospital's neonatal intensive care unit where Maverick is being treated. Worldwide,
    the German Diabetes Journal reports there are fewer than 100 cases of diabetes recorded immediately
    after birth.

    Until recently, it was uncommon to use insulin pumps in children with diabetes, according to Rae
    Lynn Johnson, a registered nurse and certified diabetes educator at ACH. "Arkansas Children's is one
    of the few places that will prescribe the pump for small children," Johnson says. "But it makes
    their glucose so much easier to control, especially when the family is as supportive as Maverick's.
    The child can lead a much more normal lifestyle without constant injections."

    The pump delivers fast-acting insulin every hour through a plastic catheter inserted in the fatty
    level of skin in Maverick's leg. A tube connects the catheter to the pump, which resembles an
    electronic beeper and can be clipped to the baby's clothing. Maverick's parents, Bryan and Bridget
    Roe of Arkadelphia, will continue to track their son's blood glucose levels throughout the day and
    can boost his dose of insulin as needed - after eating, for example -- simply by pressing the button
    on a small remote device.

    The pump's controls can be locked, so neither Maverick nor his 21-month-old brother can
    inadvertently change the dosage, which is one fear that prevents many doctors from prescribing the
    pump for young children.

    "We've just not found that to be true for our patients," Johnson says. "Children have the greatest
    respect for their disease and understand the equipment is not a toy. We've seen that children
    usually respond better to the pump than to injections."

    Doctors also hesitate to use the pump for children until they are old enough to do the necessary
    calculations for their insulin doses. Because the pump administers a constant dosage, however, it is
    easier for parents to know when the child will need an insulin boost and can simply push a button to
    deliver it instead of having to inject each dosage manually.

    If Maverick continues to do well on the pump, he could make his first trip home on Friday. As he
    grows, it is possible that his pancreas will begin producing insulin on its own and he'll no longer
    need the pump to control his blood glucose levels."

    Amazing, huh?

    dave

  2. Wow!

    This was three years ago though... any updates?

    Jennifer

    Bay Area Dave said:

    Arkansas Childrens Hospital Physicians Pioneer Use of Insulin Pump for Diabetic Newborn

    (Little Rock, Arkansas - August 3, 2000) -- Physicians at Arkansas Children's Hospital are using
    an insulin pump to control diabetes in a 10-day-old boy, believed to be the youngest-ever to
    utilize the device.

    Born July 22, 2000, Maverick Colt Roe was diagnosed with neonatal diabetes after his blood glucose
    levels soared to extreme levels within his first few hours of life. Due to limited diet and
    inactivity, newborns typically register low blood sugar readings. Maverick's levels, however,
    spiked above 1,000 milligrams per deciliter - more than 10 times the normal range.

    Doctors initially treated Maverick with intravenous insulin and then insulin injections, but his
    blood glucose levels continued to fluctuate wildly, sinking as low as 20 and soaring beyond the
    meter's register. ACH has had good results using insulin pumps on toddlers whose glucose was
    difficult to maintain, according to pediatric endocrinologist Dr. Paul Frindik, so the decision
    was made to try the technology with Maverick. Experts believe it is the first use of an insulin
    pump in such a young infant. After just two days, the insulin pump has stabilized Maverick's blood
    glucose level to around 128.

    Neonatal diabetes occurs when immature pancreas cells are unable to produce the insulin that's
    necessary for delivering nutrients throughout the body. It is a rare condition with only three
    cases treated in 30 years at Arkansas Children's Hospital, according to Dr. Robert Arrington,
    medical director of the hospital's neonatal intensive care unit where Maverick is being treated.
    Worldwide, the German Diabetes Journal reports there are fewer than 100 cases of diabetes recorded
    immediately after birth.

    Until recently, it was uncommon to use insulin pumps in children with diabetes, according to Rae
    Lynn Johnson, a registered nurse and certified diabetes educator at ACH. "Arkansas Children's is
    one of the few places that will prescribe the pump for small children," Johnson says. "But it
    makes their glucose so much easier to control, especially when the family is as supportive as
    Maverick's. The child can lead a much more normal lifestyle without constant injections."

    The pump delivers fast-acting insulin every hour through a plastic catheter inserted in the fatty
    level of skin in Maverick's leg. A tube connects the catheter to the pump, which resembles an
    electronic beeper and can be clipped to the baby's clothing. Maverick's parents, Bryan and Bridget
    Roe of Arkadelphia, will continue to track their son's blood glucose levels throughout the day and
    can boost his dose of insulin as needed - after eating, for example -- simply by pressing the
    button on a small remote device.

    The pump's controls can be locked, so neither Maverick nor his 21-month-old brother can
    inadvertently change the dosage, which is one fear that prevents many doctors from prescribing the
    pump for young children.

    "We've just not found that to be true for our patients," Johnson says. "Children have the greatest
    respect for their disease and understand the equipment is not a toy. We've seen that children
    usually respond better to the pump than to injections."

    Doctors also hesitate to use the pump for children until they are old enough to do the necessary
    calculations for their insulin doses. Because the pump administers a constant dosage, however, it
    is easier for parents to know when the child will need an insulin boost and can simply push a
    button to deliver it instead of having to inject each dosage manually.

    If Maverick continues to do well on the pump, he could make his first trip home on Friday. As he
    grows, it is possible that his pancreas will begin producing insulin on its own and he'll no
    longer need the pump to control his blood glucose levels."

    Amazing, huh?

    dave

  3. He didn't mean you Dave, he meant another poster being the expert. :-)

    --
    Cheri

    Bay Area Dave wrote in message ...

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    "Preached to" I thought I was merely giving some examples and personal
    experience. "Preaching" entails trying to influence someone. I wasn't
    trying to influence you, Beav. Perhaps you meant I was "preaching to
    the choir", which has a totally different meaning.

    "To advocate, especially to urge acceptance of or compliance with" is
    one definition of preaching. I don't think I urged you to comply with


    a

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    darn thing, Beav. 🙂

    Can't see how I delivered a sermon...

    and I didn't give any religious or moral instructions.

    Besides that little tinge of complaint on your part, I think we pretty
    much agree on the general idea of shooting insulin into a vein is not
    the smartest thing to be doing as a rule, it isn't always going to lead
    to death.

    dead in bed: how about from Lente or Semi-Lente given at supper time?
    that's more likely the issue for too much insulin at night, then


    someone

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    sticking a needle in a vein at bedside, IMHO.

    Beav said:

    "Bay Area Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Beav, the IV method is nothing unusual.

    I suspect about 90% of us know that Dave, but we were being preached


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    the expert.

    When I've had surgeries, it is

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    routine that insulin is given IV to maintain bg control.

    And I've heard it's also used to keep a patient unconscious too (in


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    right amounts of course). I imagine any aneasthetist would know for


    sure.

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    The doctors

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    don't want pumpers to be wearing their pump just before or during
    surgery.

    I can see where that might be a problem too.

    A good (I mean a REALLY good) diabetologist or endo can make

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    the calculation for adding insulin to an IV to counter the blood


    raising

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    effect of the contents of the IV plus the insulin needed by the


    diabetic

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    patient while they are inactive. The endo calculates total carbs in


    the

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    bag and then by knowing the patient's "carb ratio" he can figure how
    much insulin needs to go in the bag. Then knowing the patient's


    basal

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    rate and how long the bag will last at a predetermined infusion rate,


    he

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    can add additional insulin to cover the patient's basal rate needs.

    That'd take a good guy though, and whenever I've had surgey, I've


    woken up

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    to some RIDICULOUS sugar levels, yet before the surgery, they were


    perfect.

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    Now I'm quick off the mark when I come round and the first thing I do


    is a

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    finger stab, then take corrective action.

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    Back in 97 I had a doctor who's calculations worked out perfectly.


    It

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    was the only time in 4 surgeries, that my bg's remained constant on


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    day of surgery.

    There's always the stree to consider too. It makes bg control a bit


    on the

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    unpredictable side:-)

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    and getting back to the insulin in a vein thing: the only reason I
    didn't bite the dust was that the insulin I injected was not pure
    Regular; it was about 50% Lente, which slowed down the action just
    enough to keep me from passing out immediately.

    I used Humalog and .... nothing to speak of happened.

    Had I given myself 20

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    units of Regular, I wouldn't be here to tell you this little tale.

    I'd go along with that too. There's not enough, there's JUST enough


    and

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    here's just too much:-)

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    Furthermore, small amounts of insulin administered IV aren't going to
    kill you either! It's a matter of quantity and a host of other


    factors.

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    Again, I suspect most of us knew that at the time the Mickey


    statement hit

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    this board, but Mickey, being Mickey was having none of it.

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    I hope this puts the idea of IV insulin in perspective a bit.

    For most of us, it always was. My reasoning behind the thought that


    it

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    wouldn't kill me was simple logic. IF shooting in a vein was as


    deadly as

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    Mickey tried to make us believe, I would've expected to hear about


    LOTS of

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    diabetics found dead, because if we do some simple arithmetic, the


    number of

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    injections done worldwide every day must count in the millions and


    millions,

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    so SOMEONE must've grabbed a vein at some time. I've NEVER heard of


    diabetic

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    being killed by a single injection, although we've heard from time to


    time

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    about the "Dead in bed" syndrome. As this is usually blamed on Human


    insulin

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    and the lack of hypo awareness, the argument that it was an IV shot


    that did

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    'em in, doesn't wash.

    Beav


  4. LOL! I had to chuckle when I read that I'd misunderstood your reference to Mickey! So sorry! <g>

    I was one who, for 18 years, pumped way too much insulin into myself. That's why I'd bounce from
    high to low, to high again, every day and night. If I'd cut back, I'd get so darn high I was
    miserable. Never could get it all working properly.

    dave

    Beav said:

    "Bay Area Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Preached to" I thought I was merely giving some examples and personal experience. "Preaching"
    entails trying to influence someone. I wasn't trying to influence you, Beav. Perhaps you meant I
    was "preaching to the choir", which has a totally different meaning.

    Whoops! :-) I was referring to our own Mickey Martine Dave, not you🙂

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    "To advocate, especially to urge acceptance of or compliance with" is one definition of preaching.
    I don't think I urged you to comply with a darn thing, Beav. 🙂

    Can't see how I delivered a sermon...

    You didn't, you just didn't read too well :-)))

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    and I didn't give any religious or moral instructions.

    Besides that little tinge of complaint on your part, I think we pretty much agree on the general
    idea of shooting insulin into a vein is not the smartest thing to be doing as a rule, it isn't
    always going to lead to death.

    Absolutely, and not even a tinge of complaint🙂

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    dead in bed: how about from Lente or Semi-Lente given at supper time? that's more likely the issue
    for too much insulin at night, then someone sticking a needle in a vein at bedside, IMHO.

    Yep, and my opinion's the same. Mind you, I know quite a number of diabetics who shoot FAR more
    insulin than they'll ever need, and it surprises me how long they get away with it. I suspect
    they've got VERY effective livers providing a bail-out for 'em.

    Beav

  5. "Bay Area Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    there is a plethora of non-experts posting here. <g> I'm not an expert either.

    Nor me, but we do have aresident expert in the form of Mickey Martin one week and Harry someone or
    other the next. He's the preacher man.

    I just don't like "the sky is falling" attitude, especially

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    directed towards newly diagnosed diabetics...cheers, Cheri.

    I don't like the idea of putting people off when they're first dx'd either. Too many horror stories
    or allowing them to think they'll die if they have a BG over 300 for an hour or two (another Mickey
    thing that!!) does nothing to ease them into the rest of their lives.

    Beav

  6. Beav,

    One little clarification: I was probably the first person in the south bay area to get Humalog from
    a major drug chain (Long's). The reason I'd say that is I KNOW I was the first person that they
    dispensed it to in my local area because they told me so. I kept bugging them to order it from their
    supplier. I was using Velosulin BR and I didn't like its action. It was too slow for good pumping
    results. I'd have to cut back the basals about 1.5 hours before exercising. Now I cut back about 1/2
    hr before or just as I start, if I'm high enough.

    dave

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