Peanuts on Airplane

bumble said:

This is *not* an urban myth - it happened to me on a long-haul flight a couple of years ago. It
was a package tour, so we had this person on our 8-hour flight both there and back.

Just as they were passing out the pre-dinner drinks we were informed that someone on board had a
severe nut allergy, and so snacks would not be

served

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with the drinks. And, BTW, would people ensure that they did not eat any nuts of their own, even
the smell could kill the person.

We were kinda cheesed off, but I guess it was much worse for the person

with

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the allergy, wondering if somebody would cheat, or would they make it back alive.

This person had no business travelling, especially on a package tour. A tour company is not legally
obligated to accept such a person - read "terms and conditions".

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Best Greg

Jonathan Sachs said:

Miche said:

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That's not a relevant point, if it ever was! Our lawmakers have established the right of public
schools to require students to wear uniforms (Seig Heil!),

Oh for goodness sake.

Having to wear school uniform doesn't turn one into a drone.

I'm pleased that you survived. My point is that one of the avowed purposes of public education is
to teach our children to be good citizens, and the model of good citizenship which public schools
are presenting to them is increasingly regimented and authoritarian. Is this a model of the
society we want to develop? Not me.

Oh good grief...schoolkids in the UK or Oz or the States or wherever being required to wear school
uniforms is not analagous to school kids in the Third Reich or the former USSR or North Korea being
required to wear uniforms. Our kids in uniforms aren't required to wear any Young Pioneer scarves or
"We Love Kim Il - Sung!" pins or [censored] Jugend insignia or anything.

School uniforms are a *great* idea - universal adoption of them would eliminate a lot of nonsense,
not to mention easing financial burdens for parents.

It's *just* school clothing, fer cryin' out loud.

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Best Greg

Julia Altshuler said:

Elana Kehoe wrote:

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It does amaze me that people would get mad cause they couldn't have peanuts on a plane, because
it might cause someone to get deathly ill. Even before our fun with allergies here, I'd never
think of being upset cause I couldn't have something, if it made someone not breathe.

Essentially I agree with you. I can easily forgo peanuts for 8 hours if means saving someone's
life. Hell, I'd get hungry, but I'd gladly forgo all food for 8 hours for that. But I like to play
devil's advocate. Read the following and tell me if you'd be willing to put up with restrictions
this stringent on a daily basis in order to allow someone else to breathe.

<snip story>

Granted that the interior of an airplane is recirculated air, but so is a train, office, school or
restaurant to a certain extent. If a person is out in the world with other people, he/she risks
exposure to irritants. The airlines have evidently chosen to elminate one source of lawsuits, but
peanuts (or perfume or flowers) can't be universally banned. It's no great sacrifice to give up a
bag of airline peanuts (particularly if they substitute macadamias!), but if someone is alergic to
fresh-washed hair or clothes, he'd be better off just staying home.

I think most are willing to make reasonable accomodation to others' needs. I could easily make a no-
meat meal for a vegetarian, but wouldn't venture more than a cup of tea and a carrot for a strict
vegan or Kosher guest. Those restrictions are more than I can easily adjust to. Although I'd be
happy to eat at *their* house. :-)

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I think most are willing to make reasonable accomodation to others' needs. I could easily make a
no-meat meal for a vegetarian, but wouldn't venture more than a cup of tea and a carrot for a
strict vegan or Kosher guest. Those restrictions are more than I can easily adjust to. Although I'd
be happy to eat at *their* house. :-)

You could ask them for a recipe for something they like, but which doesn't require hunting for hard-to-
get ingredients.
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(Elana Kehoe) said:

Yes, that is true...they can't stop someone from eating them on the plane. Of course, whoever does
after they make an annoucement like that...well, everyone on the plane might be mad at them after
they had to make an emergency landing :-).

I'm not familiar with this area of law, but I suspect that while they can't stop you, they could
prosecute you. The charges would be something like disobeying a lawful order of a flight crew member
and willfully endangering another passenger. And if the allergic person was actually in danger, or
if the plane was forced to make an unscheduled landing, I'll bet there would be criminal charges.

My mail address is jsachs177 at earthlink dot net.

Elana Kehoe said:

Naomi Darvell <[email hidden]> wrote:

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This is a dilemma too, but I don't think it's that similar to the peanut thing. That's a
matter of not giving out peanuts on public transportation. (BTW, they're not stopping people
from bringing them on; they're just not giving them out. You're not really restricted, that I
can see.)

Yes, that is true...they can't stop someone from eating them on the plane.

Tell you the truth, I think they can tell you not to eat them on the plane. You do have to listen to
the flight crew. At any rate, who cares about the silly peanuts on the flight, when you're not
flying you can buy them and eat yourself sick on them, what's the big deal.

I feel differently about banning peanut butter sandwiches in school, I think that's going too far.
That's not just a five hour flight, that's the whole school day in and day out. At some point, where
do one individual's rights override everyone else's?

nancy

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I feel differently about banning peanut butter sandwiches in school, I think that's going too far.
That's not just a five hour flight, that's the whole school day in and day out. At some point,
where do one individual's rights override everyone else's?

nancy

most of this peanuts business has to do with due process and legal responsiblity; the schools,
airlines etc...wish not to be sued.

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bumble said:

This is *not* an urban myth - it happened to me on a long-haul flight a couple of years ago. It
was a package tour, so we had this person on our 8-hour flight both there and back.

Just as they were passing out the pre-dinner drinks we were informed that someone on board had a
severe nut allergy, and so snacks would not be

served

Quoted message said:

with the drinks. And, BTW, would people ensure that they did not eat any nuts of their own, even
the smell could kill the person.

We were kinda cheesed off, but I guess it was much worse for the person

with

Quoted message said:

the allergy, wondering if somebody would cheat, or would they make it back alive.

This person had no business travelling, especially on a package tour. A tour company is not
legally obligated to accept such a person - read "terms and conditions".

On the contrary, ADA would *require* the tour company and the airline to accept the passenger if
reasonable accommodations could be made, "terms and conditions" and other weasel words
notwithstanding. Not handing out the gimme snacks would be a pretty reasonable accommodation, as is
merely asking passengers to refrain from eating nuts. Requiring the passenger to have injectable
epinephrine (such as an EpiPen) on hand and notifying the flight crew that this passenger was
carrying an EpiPen would also be reasonable.

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:46:37 +0100, MEow <[email hidden]>

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I think most are willing to make reasonable accomodation to others' needs. I could easily make a
no-meat meal for a vegetarian, but wouldn't venture more than a cup of tea and a carrot for a
strict vegan or Kosher guest. Those restrictions are more than I can easily adjust to. Although
I'd be happy to eat at *their* house. :-)

You could ask them for a recipe for something they like, but which doesn't require hunting for hard-to-
get ingredients.

Well, strict vegans object to even animal-derived ingredients in condiments or seasoning. And while
I don't know all the rules, I'm pretty sure none of my pots or tableware are kosher.

MEow said:

While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, Frogleg of EarthLink Inc. --

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I think most are willing to make reasonable accomodation to others' needs. I could easily make a
no-meat meal for a vegetarian, but wouldn't venture more than a cup of tea and a carrot for a
strict vegan or Kosher guest. Those restrictions are more than I can easily adjust to. Although
I'd be happy to eat at *their* house. :-)

You could ask them for a recipe for something they like, but which doesn't require hunting for hard-to-
get ingredients.

You'd have to buy new pots/pans/dishes/utensils to prepare a meal that your local orthodox rabbi
could eat.

Best regards, Bob

While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, Frogleg of EarthLink Inc.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I think most are willing to make reasonable accomodation to others' needs. I could easily make a
no-meat meal for a vegetarian, but wouldn't venture more than a cup of tea and a carrot for a
strict vegan or Kosher guest. Those restrictions are more than I can easily adjust to. Although
I'd be happy to eat at *their* house. :-)

You could ask them for a recipe for something they like, but which doesn't require hunting for hard-to-
get ingredients.

Well, strict vegans object to even animal-derived ingredients in condiments or seasoning. And while
I don't know all the rules, I'm pretty sure none of my pots or tableware are kosher.

That's why asking for a recipe from them makes sense. If you follow that, it will be fine with them.
Actually, when I was a vegan I used to offer to bring my own food, when invited. As far as Kosher
goes, I didn't know that there was special rules for the cookware.
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Naomi Darvell said:

I missed the part where there was an announcement. I thought we were talking about things like
United Airlines no longer serving peanuts just in case someone allergic was on.

I'm sorry, I might have been confusing this ng with a food allergy mailing list I'm on. I don't know
if anyone mentioned an annoucement.
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Nancy Young said:

I feel differently about banning peanut butter sandwiches in school, I think that's going too far.
That's not just a five hour flight, that's the whole school day in and day out. At some point,
where do one individual's rights override everyone else's?

When it can cause death.

There are people who react to peanut butter on people's breath. If a child like that is in my
child's school, sure, I'd be a little ticked off. But if it was my child, I'd sure appreciate other
parents respecting the fact.

Parents object to guns and drugs being brought to schools...they both kill. Same idea. (okay, some
leeway there, but you know what I mean).
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World of Bob'™ said:

You'd have to buy new pots/pans/dishes/utensils to prepare a meal that your local orthodox rabbi
could eat.

I can understand not wanting to do that; I wouldn't do it, either.
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Elana Kehoe said:

Nancy Young said:

I feel differently about banning peanut butter sandwiches in school, I think that's going too
far. That's not just a five hour flight, that's the whole school day in and day out. At some
point, where do one individual's rights override everyone else's?

When it can cause death.

There are people who react to peanut butter on people's breath.

I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, I promise I don't. But they had better find some way to deal
with it, because they will come across many, many people in their lives who have peanuts on their
breath. By deal with it, I mean carry medication, whatever. Hey, I try to carry peanut butter
crackers because sometimes I get very hungry very suddenly and need something like that. I could be
on line behind them in the mall.

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Parents object to guns and drugs being brought to schools...they both kill. Same idea. (okay, some
leeway there, but you know what I mean).

Well, yeah, that is a little extreme. No offense. All I'm saying is they'd better figure something
else out sooner rather than later, because the rest of the world is not going to ban peanut butter
and jelly sandwiches for them.

nancy

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because the rest of the world is not going to ban peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for them.

nancy

How about banning these?

From aboutpeanuts.comrecipes.cgiOpen ↗

Well maybe not the roll-ups.

CHUTNEY CHEESE MOLD

11 ounces cream cheese 3 tablespoons raisins, chopped 3 tablespoons sour cream 3 teaspoons
curry powder
3/4 cup chopped roasted peanuts
4/2 cup chopped green onions
5/2 cup chutney
6/2 cup grated coconut 4 tablespoons crumbled bacon

Mix all ingredients by hand. Form into ball. Refrigerate. Roll in coconut. Serve with bland
crackers. Makes about 3 dozen servings.

MEXINUT DIP

1 (11-1/2 ounce) can condensed bean with bacon soup 1 cup shredded cheddar cheese 1 (10-
ounce) can tomatoes and green chilies 2 tablespoons finely chopped onion 1 tablespoon hot
chili powder
7/2 cup peanut butter

Conventional method: Heat all ingredients in top of double boiler over hot (not boiling) water. Cook
and stir until cheese is melted and mixture is blended.

Microwave: In 2 quart casserole, combine all ingredients. Cover with a glass lid. Microwave on High
for 5 to 6 minutes or until cheese melts, stirring occasionally. Stir before serving.

Serve with corn chips or crackers.

PEANUT BUTTER BACON ROLLUPS

8/4 cup crunchy peanut butter 2 tablespoons butter, melted
9/2 cup water 2 cups packaged herb-seasoned stuffing 1 egg, slightly beaten
10/2 pound, hot or mild, bulk pork sausage
11/4 cup chopped roasted peanuts
12/4 pound sliced bacon

In large bowl, mix peanut butter, butter, water and stuffing. Stir in egg, sausage and peanuts,
blend well. Chill for about 1 hour. Shape into small balls or oblongs. Cut bacon slices into
thirds. Wrap each piece of stuffing mixture with 1 piece of bacon. Fasten with a wooden pick. Place
on a rack in a shallow pan. Bake in a preheated 375° F. oven 30-35 minutes. Turn halfway through
cooking. Drain on paper towels and serve hot. Stack on serving plate and garnish with cherry
tomatoes and parsley.

May be made ahead and frozen. To serve, thaw and bake as directed above. Makes about 4 dozen.

COLONIAL PEANUT SOUP

2 tablespoons butter 2 tablespoons grated onion 1 branch celery, thinly sliced 2 Tablespoons
all-purpose flour 3 cups chicken broth
13/2 cup creamy peanut butter
14/4 teaspoon salt 2 Tablespoons lemon juice 2 Tablespoons chopped roasted peanuts

Melt butter in a saucepan over low heat; add onion and celery. Saute for about 5 minutes. Add
flour and mix until well blended. Stir in chicken broth and allow to simmer for about 30 minutes.
Remove from heat, strain broth. Stir the peanut butter, salt and lemon juice into the strained
broth until well mixed. Serve hot in cups. Garnish each cup with a teaspoon of chopped peanuts.
Makes 6 servings.

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Elana Kehoe said:

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Naomi Darvell said:

This is a dilemma too, but I don't think it's that similar to the peanut thing. That's a
matter of not giving out peanuts on public transportation. (BTW, they're not stopping people
from bringing them on; they're just not giving them out. You're not really restricted, that I
can see.)

Yes, that is true...they can't stop someone from eating them on the plane. Of course, whoever does
after they make an annoucement like that...well, everyone on the plane might be mad at them after
they had to make an emergency landing :-).

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This situation seems different in a number of ways. I gather this woman is confined to her
house, so if you go in, you are choosing to and you're agreeing to abide by all her
restrictions. It's not like she's going onto a plane, or into the workplace, and asking that
everyone avoid perfume or detergent for her sake. And, personally, no I wouldn't go through this
type of thing on a daily basis in a workplace or on public transportation. I would do it if I
were going to someone's house for a social visit.

I agree with all of this. I sniffle with some perfumes, and wish that the person next to me on the
train wasn't wearing it. I can't imagine what that woman goes through.

However, I have to say that it also might be worth doing for a little while every day. If borax
and baking soda gets clothes clean, it sounds like a cheaper and better way to clean clothes. As
well, why do the smells of the beauty product have to be masked (ok, I don't really wear makeup,
but I do have smelly bath stuff). It would be nice to be clean and just smell clean...with no
smell. You know?

because most perfumes use whale bile, either synthetic or natural. smell them first thing and most
perfumes smell vile.

But try telling this to a person working in a perfumery... they still want you to buy
their products!

lena

Frogleg said:

MEow said:

While frolicking around in rec.food.cooking, Frogleg of EarthLink Inc. --

url='http://www.earthlink.net/'http://www.EarthLink.net/url said:

I think most are willing to make reasonable accomodation to others' needs. I could easily make a
no-meat meal for a vegetarian, but wouldn't venture more than a cup of tea and a carrot for a
strict vegan or Kosher guest. Those restrictions are more than I can easily adjust to. Although
I'd be happy to eat at *their* house. :-)

You could ask them for a recipe for something they like, but which doesn't require hunting for
hard-to-get ingredients.

Well, strict vegans object to even animal-derived ingredients in condiments or seasoning. And
while I don't know all the rules, I'm pretty sure none of my pots or tableware are kosher.

bah! going over to your house in the first place to eat food is violating the spirit of keeping
kosher anyway!

Koshering pots isn't too terribly hard, as I recall (particularly if they're glass...

Lena

Nancy Young said:

Elana Kehoe said:

Nancy Young said:

I feel differently about banning peanut butter sandwiches in school, I think that's going too
far. That's not just a five hour flight, that's the whole school day in and day out. At some
point, where do one individual's rights override everyone else's?

When it can cause death.

There are people who react to peanut butter on people's breath.

I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, I promise I don't. But they had better find some way to deal
with it, because they will come across many, many people in their lives who have peanuts on their
breath. By deal with it, I mean carry medication, whatever. Hey, I try to carry peanut butter
crackers because sometimes I get very hungry very suddenly and need something like that. I could
be on line behind them in the mall.

point taken. but remember, like most people with compromised immune systems, most people with
extremely severe allergies can at least limit the odds of being exposed to grief. Buy from
catalogues, do grocery shopping at midnight (like me!), use a car instead of public transportation,
work at a job with limited public interaction... It is a life-altering condition. But then again, so
is living in Pittsburgh (shut the windows! The sulfur's above 30 again!)

lena

[email hidden] (paula) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"i am sure that i have had peanuts on a flight (but that is in europe)but it is true that someone
with an allergy can go into an anyphilactic(sp.) shock if they are in the same room as nuts --or--
whatever they are allergic to.my best friends daughter has to carry a shot around with her so she
can inject herself if necessary as she is always coming into contact with foodstuffs that contain
nuts or derivatives of nuts EVEN though she is so careful as to what she buys and
touches.unfortunately the world we live in is not always as careful so she tends to spend rather a
lot of time in the emergency room of the local hospital.

Peanuts or "nuts?" You talk about both. I'm allergic to nuts, but not peanuts, which are legumes.
Are these people with peanut allergies also allergic to soybeans? tofu? peas?

I've never heard of someone being so allergic that someone else across the room couldn't have a
peanut butter sandwich. Like the poster says, it's all about lawsuits. Nut dust, on the other hand,
is a problem, even for me, if I get it on my hands or accidentally on my face or in my mouth. Still,
I don't care if other people like nuts and I even bake with them at the holidays, just being careful
to thoroughly wash my hands.

N.